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Anyway to cover everything else that has been said.
Deus immediately starts his thoughts on me by again being inconsistent
"After that he has a couple posts that target holy, ending in a case against holy, then drops holy. "
"It's possible that Omni begins pushing a lynch on Holy, using the voting catastrophe, and drops it when it doesn't seem to be working. "
and finally
"and a few others. Here is the thing. Holy's defense is strong, and it seems like a town defense. He did bring up good points. "
I say Holy doesn't look as bad as Slam and Deus anymore as well.
On August 19 2013 07:57 OmniEulogy wrote:
I still believe LosK to be town, and tbh my case against Holy is largely centered on his vote on Xzavier which clearly some townie made the mistake of voting for. I'm not ruling out the case of scum Holy but I do believe given everything that has happened so far we are more likely to lynch scum by going after Deus and Slam.
Holy has not cleared himself with me but he looks a lot better than Deus or Slam, Why would I continue to push for his lynch when I've said multiple times D2 lynch should be focused around Slam and Deus.
moving on I appreciate that Deus at least admits that he believes I do make some strong points and have been actively posting along with those. He also says that I seem genuine to him.
Deus your first question doesn't actually apply to anything. Nobody had said anything more other than discussing the vote and I did make some other points on Holy for why I suspected him other than just his vote.
I dropped Holy for reasons mentioned above. He was no longer my top scum read.
3) Because either all three of you are fucking useless as town or there was scum on the Xzavier lynch. How can you not see that is the better question.
Deus goes on to mention that the only way you should ever use the lynch on Xzavier to scum hunt is if you make a case against Holy for it. Holy shit. (pun not intended)
He then claims that I am trying to mislead town when apparently he thinks I'm genuinely scum hunting, making a case against Holy when in his opinion that is the correct thing to do and actively contributing to towns discussions.
Fake Paranoia is so annoying.
JAT sorry, I hadn't read your response to Deus when I had posted and I realize I did pretty much rehash what you had already said to him. My objective in giving my town reads is to try and strengthen / unify town when there was some very obvious shit that is happening around the Xzavier lynch. I also give my scum reads, and why they changed twice, please don't ignore that.
Also stop trying to convince yourself there is a connection between Deus/Slam and LosK before we see any flips. It's hurting you if you assume there is one as it will impact your ability to see them as individual scum.
I think I covered your question on why I still think LosK is town JAT.
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On August 20 2013 01:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Just post the whole thing HolyFlare.
Omni it is important dammit. I don't see any scum motivation behind this voteswitch if iVLosk isn't scum Newbie mistake or not.
we're just going to have to disagree. I think it was a really bad mistake from scum, and when we nail scum for making such a mistake, then we can get into association cases.
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On August 20 2013 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:
No said question can absolutely be answered. I did not ask for the alignment of said players I asked for the reason for Omni's scumread on Deus and Alakaslam and why he thinks they would voteswitch as scum.
extremely bad play.
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hahaha answer to the question.
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On August 20 2013 03:10 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok.
Omni I would like you to make a summarized post on why you think Deus is scum. Try to stick to why scum Deus would do something instead of just pointing out contradictions please.
sure thin, although I'll say now most of his contradictions do point to very scummy behavior.
He starts off by saying town should be allowed to lie and we should lynch lurkers, this also means it's ok for scum to lie as he says town will never catch lying scum. Town's mindset is to catch scum lying because they NEED to lie to stay alive, not to ignore it and let anybody say what ever they want. The policy lynch for Lynch All Liars exists for that very reason. In a newbie game you don't need to fake claim your role, in fact by town lying you just add more confusion to the rest of town. Although this was just his policy talk I felt it was a very important start to his game.
He goes on to say he wants to put all the policy talk away, and follows it up by saying he's voting for a lurker because they are lurking and haven't posted. I know he's played a few games before, he knows you don't claim to cast a vote for pressure. EVERY vote should have the intention to lynch behind it. As town you want to get lurkers to contribute but you don't say "hey, this is only a pressure vote but you better start contributing or maybe it'll become a real vote!"
That is not a town oriented move. It's scum focusing on a "easy" target and being very non-committal about it on top of that. If we still had hardcore lurkers I'd bet he'd still be voting for them doing the exact same thing.
he goes on to talk to Holy and asks this question, "Yes he hasn't contributed, but do you want to make a case against him because he hasn't contributed or because he is a hypocrite?".
This isn't something town says... "yeah he hasn't contributed and he's going back on what he's saying BUT that's no reason to make a case on him!" actually... that's called scum hunting and it's exactly what town should be doing. Unfortunately this comment stops Holy and Deus effectively stops any potential attempt at town talking about it at all. Which he has done several times now. Again this is not how a townie behaves. You don't try to stop people from talking about the only leads they have to go on, you contribute and try to find something else that other people have missed. Scum try to stifle conversation and tell people that it's scummy to continue trying to scum hunt.
He has constantly been trying to work out association cases based on nothing, which although many townies unfortunately were doing, scum loves this and tries to hop in with their own, because it's pointless but it makes them seem like they are contributing.
Once people see an association case it becomes very difficult for them to think about it in another way which effectively shuts down their helpfulness. Deus was completely on board with doing just that.
his vote has been covered, but again it's scummy and there is no town benefit for him voting for a modkill. It only adds confusion.
He goes on to claim that the voting catastrophe is irrelevant to scum hunting which it certainly is not. Town tries to gather information from clusterfucks like that but he claims it's scummy to talk about it and we should just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen. Makes sense considering he made the jump to Xzavier from LosK first.
Claims myself Holy and ivLosK have some sort of connection..... not really sure how.
"There is so much that can be said about these individuals. 1 scum, 2 scum, or no scum? Are they connected? Why the attacks on each other?" Mmmmmmmm WIFOM bombing town is so helpful.
After everything he says about thinking I'm scummy, he then claims I'm genuine and have been actively contributing and posting and then calls Slam town. - then says JAT and myself are the scum team. Can not even make up his mind in the same post. literally has 0 direction and claims I'm trying to mislead town. Let's see what he's said...
"II. Omni, iV, and Holy
There is so much that can be said about these individuals. 1 scum, 2 scum, or no scum? Are they connected?"
and
"VI. Final thoughts
I could see a possible scum team being JAT Omni."
one (two) large post which comes down to an association case based on nothing. Baffle them with bullshit guys! they won't see through the smoke. Townies don't do this crap. Scum try to lie and confuse us, they try to stop scum hunting, stop conversation, and try to convince town that everybody else is scum.
so yes, I believe Deus is scum and actively trying to mislead town by throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks, he himself certainly has not stuck to one story even in the same post.
The only thing he's stayed consistent on is that the Xzavier lynch should stop being looked at. - scummy.
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On August 20 2013 03:49 justanothertownie wrote:
I feel so alone here...
HolyFlare would you do us a favor and post the rest of your information if you have the time?
What's with the other people - Lone, any input? Also Deus has gone mia again...
it takes awhile to write the post ok?! lol
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On August 20 2013 03:52 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 03:49 justanothertownie wrote:
I feel so alone here...
HolyFlare would you do us a favor and post the rest of your information if you have the time?
What's with the other people - Lone, any input? Also Deus has gone mia again... Anything you want from be besides am I scum? I am willing to check stuff out
give us an update on your top 3 scum reads, if I'm one of them I want to know why, get into some real details for why your vote is on Deus right now and why you were sheeping him for the entire D1 lynch cycle if you are now voting for him D2.
Also your thoughts on why Koshi was killed when he said we should go after you and LosK for the lynch on D2. As it directly impacts you I'd like to know what you actually think about it.
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Koshi got lynched after posting like this
+ Show Spoiler + On August 18 2013 08:34 Koshi wrote:guis guis guis. No worries. Just remember. Need to kill Alaksalam,Holyflare, DeusXmachina or iVLosK. Just kill the one that is the most useless day 2. Alaksalam knows better than to create such a shit environment and to do 0 scumhunting the entire game. And I am certain he knows that voting a 0 poster is horrible. His biggest contribution were giving out general advice. It is a newbie game but I don't like it. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:26 Holyflare wrote:On August 18 2013 01:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Indeed, iVLosK! Looks bad after reading up on HolyFlare, but are there enough reasons to voteswitch? Shall he defense hisself? I would rather get rid of the guy that says nothing than the person who can defend himself and (hopefully) contribute. You need to get rid of scum. Not of guys that can't defend themselves. Especially when they flip town most likely. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 06:17 iVLosK! wrote:On August 18 2013 05:59 Koshi wrote:
Ok, so seriously. Those 3 people on Xzavier. Why the fuck would you vote on a 0-poster? He did flip scum. Umadbro? This guy is trying to WIFOM me and I don't like it. 5 spamposts in the same minute these are 3 of it. He knows he shouldn't vote for a modkill. He votes for the modkill. And then he says it is majority lynch when it is plurality. So bad it hurts my soul. iV and Alaksalam should be lynched next time unless magic happens on day 2. The other 2 follow closely.
+ Show Spoiler + On August 18 2013 10:14 Koshi wrote:I am still wondering why you guys voted iVLosK. Please also redirect me to the scumhunting you guys did. I have trouble finding it. Setup Information: Show nested quote +This set-up is based off of the 2of4 setup. It will be a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed, the amount of each hold will be hidden. This means there are 2 scums right?It's fair to say that town will have 1 power role and 6 VT and then scum 1 power role and 1 goon. Gameplan for town is simple. We find 4 confirmed townies and we win the game. Confirmed townie status: Koshi Close to confirmed townie status: OmniEulogy Probably town: JAT, Meowie
I still agree with what he said during N1 and I know I'm town which means scum DID fuck up. I'm not sure how many people you think are in this game but scum was on Xzavier if my reads are correct. I know you're paranoid about literally everybody as I think the only person you've given town reads to are Slam (lol?) LosK and Meow. which funny enough has two people Koshi was telling us to lynch. I strongly believe the two scum are in your group of 4 as did Koshi and you trying to push everything away from going in that direction isn't very convincing.
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On August 20 2013 04:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 04:14 OmniEulogy wrote:Koshi got lynched after posting like this + Show Spoiler + On August 18 2013 08:34 Koshi wrote:guis guis guis. No worries. Just remember. Need to kill Alaksalam,Holyflare, DeusXmachina or iVLosK. Just kill the one that is the most useless day 2. Alaksalam knows better than to create such a shit environment and to do 0 scumhunting the entire game. And I am certain he knows that voting a 0 poster is horrible. His biggest contribution were giving out general advice. It is a newbie game but I don't like it. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:26 Holyflare wrote:On August 18 2013 01:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Indeed, iVLosK! Looks bad after reading up on HolyFlare, but are there enough reasons to voteswitch? Shall he defense hisself? I would rather get rid of the guy that says nothing than the person who can defend himself and (hopefully) contribute. You need to get rid of scum. Not of guys that can't defend themselves. Especially when they flip town most likely. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 06:17 iVLosK! wrote:On August 18 2013 05:59 Koshi wrote:
Ok, so seriously. Those 3 people on Xzavier. Why the fuck would you vote on a 0-poster? He did flip scum. Umadbro? This guy is trying to WIFOM me and I don't like it. 5 spamposts in the same minute these are 3 of it. He knows he shouldn't vote for a modkill. He votes for the modkill. And then he says it is majority lynch when it is plurality. So bad it hurts my soul. iV and Alaksalam should be lynched next time unless magic happens on day 2. The other 2 follow closely. On August 18 2013 10:14 Koshi wrote:I am still wondering why you guys voted iVLosK. Please also redirect me to the scumhunting you guys did. I have trouble finding it. Setup Information: Show nested quote +This set-up is based off of the 2of4 setup. It will be a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed, the amount of each hold will be hidden. This means there are 2 scums right?It's fair to say that town will have 1 power role and 6 VT and then scum 1 power role and 1 goon. Gameplan for town is simple. We find 4 confirmed townies and we win the game. Confirmed townie status: Koshi Close to confirmed townie status: OmniEulogy Probably town: JAT, Meowie I still agree with what he said during N1 and I know I'm town which means scum DID fuck up. I'm not sure how many people you think are in this game but scum was on Xzavier if my reads are correct. I know you're paranoid about literally everybody as I think the only person you've given town reads to are Slam (lol?) LosK and Meow. which funny enough has two people Koshi was telling us to lynch. I strongly believe the two scum are in your group of 4 as did Koshi and you trying to push everything away from going in that direction isn't very convincing. Are you talking to me?
sorry no @Deus
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but actually JAT, If you agree with my reads even if LosK to you is scum do you see where I'm coming from? Unless scum has seriously outplayed us because of three really bad votes from townies which is so highly unlikely, scum has to be on that Xzavier lynch.
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On August 20 2013 04:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 04:19 OmniEulogy wrote:
but actually JAT, If you agree with my reads even if LosK to you is scum do you see where I'm coming from? Unless scum has seriously outplayed us because of three really bad votes from townies which is so highly unlikely, scum has to be on that Xzavier lynch. then why would they unvote IvLosK! if you think he is town at the risk of looking scummy?
very bad play. as i've said before.
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because the people I believed to be town while watching the game were not part of the vote, the only person on the edge but I still believe is just useless town is LosK so at least 1 person on Xzavier should be scum. possibly two. if I didn't have a town read on Meow or JAT then I wouldn't be so sure.
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I think Holy's afk vote wasn't as bad as yours and Slam's. As I said earlier my case on him was pretty much revolving around how bad his vote was and that he wanted the "safe" option. I still think he's scummy just not my top scum read anymore.
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sorry, I think I'd rather say Holy's vote is bad in a different way. As his "placeholder" rather than the weird vote jumping that lead to Xzaviers lynch.
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"but interestingly doesnt bandwagon on the Xzavier vote. Hmmmmmmm." - Deus talking about JAT.
What. Would town ever actually say NOT getting on the Xzavier wagon is scummy at the end of D1? By this logic Slam is the most town person in the game. LOL I don't think so.
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On August 20 2013 23:54 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
Who is to say that you could be town and he knew it so wanted to get on your side? There are a myriad of possibilities and I did not draw any conclusions from it other than his inconsistencies, I am pointing out the shit posts for other people to read. Whether you take from it that you are also scum is up to you, I do not give a shit. ... Chezinu. Sees me say  iVLosk repeatedly Lynch Wait dangerous looks bad Buddy up Buddy up to the one who knows the bamcis one, one more townie who won't lynch Deus defense thyself to move my vote is what is say but I'm headed to work. Therefore, deus, if you are town convince the rest unless I somehow get enough data reception to check up near deadline. ##Vote: DeusXmachina
You are just all over the place...
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well, I'm not voting JAT. He's still a town read for me. I'm not gonna jump onto a wagon to lynch somebody who imo is a townie. I've said it before but the only two people I'm willing to vote for today is Deus or Slam and right now I think everything points towards Deus being scummier, although Slam's vote jumping around constantly again is worrying. I can't tell if he's just sheeping and is easily influenced or if he just doesn't care who he votes for.
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On August 21 2013 02:40 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:On August 21 2013 02:34 LoneMeow wrote:On August 21 2013 02:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 21 2013 02:26 LoneMeow wrote:On August 21 2013 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:Read Lones filter and still think most of his posts are pretty townie although he should contribute more. There is only one thing I don't really get. On August 20 2013 06:35 LoneMeow wrote:
Deus' case on JAT is kind of OMGUS, but seems like a town reaction, if he was scum I'd expect him to push Alakaslam since he's obviously much more likely lynch than JAT.
Holyflare, your read on Deus?
iVLosK!, could you perhaps try to help us figure this game out and provide reads on Deus and Alakaslam? On August 20 2013 23:31 LoneMeow wrote:
Also, right now I'm agreeing with lynching Deus.
##Vote: DeusXmachina What happened between these posts, Lone? My top scum read ended up being the only one who was resisting the lynch besides Deus himself, and Alakaslam started looking more town to me. Sadly Slam's latest uselessness made him look less town again so I feel this lynch is a bit unsafe, I'd far prefer lynching iVLosK! who still hasn't really contributed much to the scum hunt at all. I see. Makes sense somehow. Could you make a case on iVLosk then? I don't think I can do a full case in the time remaining before lynch, but mainly my points are his reluctance to hunt scum, the lack of reads (the only strong read he's given so far is his case against me, which is a very weak case in my eyes) and just generally being useless. Also avoiding taking a stance on the pressing issue of Slam vs Deus is incriminating. You are right about his reserved play but if he is town then it is understandable if he thinks slam/deus are town don't you think? That's not reserved play. That's I don't give a fuck play. You are reserved. You have done nothing major that sets you apart from other players.
wait what's the difference between JAT and LosK in the "I don't give a fuck" category?
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Different types of inconsistencies Deus. I've been inconsistent with my reads on Holy but I explained myself. I still don't have a clue as to what half of your votes have changed for, and everything has been pointed out with almost no response to those questions. Instead you tried to deflect suspicion towards JAT, myself and Holy and try to claim JAT and I are the scum team with Holy and myself having connections as well as trying to WIFOM bomb town as I've said before.
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On August 21 2013 02:53 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2013 02:49 Holyflare wrote:
and I certainly have not been making terrible contributions, I've made cases on 2 of you so far of whom I thought were most suspicious, if anything you have tunneled JAT and have been more useless. Your cases were terrible contributions. Your case on iV was based on stupid reasons. Your case on me basically repeated what others have said. Your case on slam was the best one.
According to you everything has been a terrible contribution.
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