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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 27 2013 22:14 GMT
#4782
You're not very welcoming Coag

Hi everybody!
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 27 2013 22:25 GMT
#4784
What have I gotten myself into -_-

Probably will take me a couple days to catch up fully.

Somebody give me major points of interest if you don't mind.

Also, do we have a full day or a few hours left in the cycle?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 28 2013 18:46 GMT
#4827
Whelp I'm at page 100!

Will probably just read through Ceph's filter next, decide yay or nay, and then catch up the rest at night,
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 29 2013 01:12 GMT
#4839
Ceph lynch seems reasonable to me after reading his filter. Posts like these generally point to fake mafia emotion:

On September 26 2013 11:18 Cephiro wrote:
OH MY GOD ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME T_T

Two blue lynches in a row. This is as hard as an anal rape can get Q_Q


He doesn't seem like the type of player that would rage quit in my experience so his absence probably means he just doesn't want to reveal any more info. Compared to aperture, his activity is much weaker.

I'll probably post my other reads before the night post.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 29 2013 04:05 GMT
#4878
I'd like to point out that we have a 100% mafia lynch rate since I've join the game.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 30 2013 12:48 GMT
#5139
Breaking Bad kinda ruined any plans of catch up last night, but I'm now up to page 200 so I'll be sure to finish and post thoughts this morning.

On September 30 2013 19:14 Koshi wrote:
Ahyeah why I said Kita was confirmed town.

Hosts kinda fucked town over day 1 with the shortened time
Town is losing this
I cannot believe hosts are now going to give scum a night 3 replacement. + a town replacement in n3 can be shot.
---> Kita is town.


Maybe it's lame but seriously, hosts are not going to swap a scummer n3 in this game.


This is really sketchy reasoning for knowing that I'm town. At first I thought you might be a parity cop or something with your weird instance that I was town, but now that you're trying to explain it with this makes it seem as if you're trying to buddy up with me or something. I will definitely need to tackle your filter.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 30 2013 16:37 GMT
#5178
Well I'm finally caught up. For the amount of spam that is going on, it really seems like people are missing out on the basics, but hopefully we can turn things around.

I think the most important thing to start with is the night hits since it's far too often that people will ignore the suspicions of those who are dead. While a player flipping town doesn't necessarily mean their reads are right, it does mean that you don't need to worry about their cases having an ulterior motive of pushing a mislynch. It's also common sense that the mafia team will go after people they deem as threats.

Blazinghand:
Nothing really of note. Vet kill.

Vayne:
cephiro is mentioned in a list of several people. Also suspicious of rayn, Mocsta, JAT

WoS:
FT, VE

Makes a vig list to include ceph/Risen/iamp

Marv:
Guaranteed ceph as mafia and strongly pushed for him day two. Convinced the town to lynch him after death.

yamato:
Mocsta, VE, Sent

Zaragon:
Lists top three preferences as FT, Ceph, Mocsta

Umasi:
Wanted to lynch Mocsta today. Also suspicious of sent and FT.

Mattchew:
FT, stutters, Sent (and Marv -_-)

FT and Mocsta's name are the most common scum suspects of players that have died. VE and sent are also mentioned multiple times. The three night kills last night are especially suspicious since they targeted players that didn't look incredibly townie and weren't obvious veteran kills.

As for ceph's filter, there wasn't a ton of interactions with players that haven't already flipped and his main lynch preference was on a player that already flipped. The player he has the most interaction with is JAT. After having a little back and forth, he doesn't put much effort into his preferred lynch target, voting LoneMeow both cycles as the only realistic candidate. He sends a softball VE's way with no real follow-up, which could possibly be an attempt at scum-to-scum interaction.

On September 26 2013 11:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vote Count

FirmTofu (1): Risen

justanothertownie (1): kushm4sta

Cephiro (9): s&b, justanothertownie, raynpelikoneet, Koshi. [UoN]Sentinel

Umasi (1): FirmTofu

LoneMeow (13): Coagulation, ObviousOne, Stutters695, iamperfection, Mocsta. Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, deconduo, Pandain

LoneMeow is lynched


Day two is clearly the most important cycle that we have had so far. On day three, there was little resistance to a Ceph lynch, but on day two, things were highly contested between Ceph and LoneMeow. I've removed the players that have already flipped. One thing that I found suspicious is that FT and Risen would avoid the main wagon even though they had zero chance of a lynch. Kush is also guilty of this, but lets ignore that -_-

More importantly however is that the lynch was tied 7-7 with thirty minutes left and Cephiro leading the lynch:

[B]On September 26 2013 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Vote Count

FirmTofu (3): Risen, LoneMeow, Zaragon

justanothertownie (1): kushm4sta

Cephiro (7): s&b, justanothertownie, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, Deconduo, Koshi

Pandain (1): [UoN]Sentinel

Zaragon (2): Mr. Cheesecake

[UoN]Sentinel (1): Umasi

Umasi (1): FirmTofu

LoneMeow (7): Coagulation, ObviousOne, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Cephiro, Stutters695

[u]geript (1): Mocsta

[b][blue]Cephiro is currently set to be lynched (first to 7).


At this point, Sent unvotes and puts another vote on Ceph. Even though his name came up twice in the hit list last night, I think this earns him a ton of town cred for putting the mafia team in a position where they would need to pull off a several vote swap. A bus at this point would be incredibly risky with it not being clear that the massive vote swap would occur.

With the LoneMeow vote, it is now 8-7, with the tiebreak going to a scum lynch. The doctor claim comes at 9:50, which is really important since at this point he is not leading the vote. There would need to be TWO votes that are swapped for a ceph vote not to happen. Between a doctor lynch and a mafia lynch, there is no better situation for the mafia team to pull of a swing.

iamp, Mocsta, CC, VE, deconduo, and pandain all pull off the swap. Now clearly all of these players cannot be mafia, but those that are part of this list should be considered incredibly suspicious. More importantly, I think you have to look at the reasoning for their switch:

Before the lynch, iamp does not have a strong opinion between the two players. He appears concerned with both player's activity in the hour before the lynch, but doesn't commit one way or the other. In my opinion, he is waiting to the last minute to see if the ceph lynch can be avoided. He threatens to vote for LoneMeow's switch to Ceph, but what does he expect him to do? Does he honestly think that a town Meow wouldn't vote for Ceph in that situation? Ceph has a vote on Meow and is equally afk, but this isn't an issue? When the doctor claim comes out, he is suddenly strongly in favor of a Meow lynch as if he has already made up his mind and shows little interest in seeing both ways.

Mocsta is all over the place in the final hour before the lynch. He goes back and forth multiple times to the point where it's difficult to say that any of his reads are even real or if he is just making them up on the spot. Initially, he buys the doctor claim as legit, so naturally he decides to move over to geript who has no chance of being lynched. He seems to come to this conclusion without actually checking whether or not he mentions yamato, until the point is brought up by someone else. Why does he believe the doctor claim if he clearly hasn't researched things himself? He then comes back with the fake doctor claim to ensure a Meow lynch. I can't pretend to understand this. Just minutes ago he believed Meow is the doctor. Now he is so confident that he is willing to lie to secure the lynch? At the same time, trying to pull this off as mafia is extremely gutsy. It's a high risk, high reward type of move. I'm pretty stumped with him and will likely need to look into his history first.

VE's role in this entire sequence is incredibly scummy. He is playing the back seat role and there is an apparent lack of interest in the lynch. He votes LoneMeow, swaps to Ceph, then back to Meow based on one-liners. He mentions that he thinks it is going to be a mislynch, but puts no effort into swinging things to someone like geript. He shares that he could be in favor of player X or Y, but he clearly doesn't care enough to get others to move their vote. In the end, he tries to put a lot of blame on Mocsta, even though VE deserves just as much blame for the mislynch.

CC, deconduo, and pandain also were part of the swap, but I think it seems more likely that they were the town participants. I haven't really put much time reading into these players. I've also totally ignored Risen for the moment. The LoneMeow/Ceph lynch probably wasn't completely one-sided, but the individuals on the correct side of the lynch shouldn't be a priority today or tomorrow.

The four players that I'm looking at right now are FT, iamp, Mocsta and VE (I only think one of the final two are likely mafia). I need to take a break for a little bit, but when I return, I'll put together a case on who we should be lynching today.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 30 2013 19:36 GMT
#5192
I'd be interested in hearing about FT and iamp in particular from you VE.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 30 2013 19:56 GMT
#5206
On October 01 2013 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 04:36 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd be interested in hearing about FT and iamp in particular from you VE.

To what end?


Suppose Mocsta is either not an option or has already flipped, would you be in favor of lynching either of these players?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 30 2013 20:40 GMT
#5221
On October 01 2013 05:34 Koshi wrote:
I am just praying that Mocsta, rayn are scummers


Koshi #1 scum hunter when divine intervention is on his side.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 30 2013 21:26 GMT
#5243
On October 01 2013 06:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: iamperfection


Could you explain why you like iamp over FT?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 01:49 GMT
#5341
The case against FirmTofu

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As I mentioned earlier, WaveofShadow, Zaragon, Umasi, and Mattchew all mentioned FT as one of their mafia suspects before their deaths. All three players that died last night wanted to kill him. These kills were strange enough that I think it is likely that they were picked out for their reads.

On day one, FT is clearly around and reading the thread at the start of the game, yet he fails to provide a lynch candidate. He appears to be afk towards the end of the day and never votes, so I'll chalk this up as a null tell.

On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Finally got some decent reads. :D

Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation.

As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them.

We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term.

Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots.

Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used.

Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned.


Once night two starts, he comes out with the trademark "large post that says absolutely nothing". Apparently addressing the vig situation really means "I'm going to list 10 different players you could consider shooting based on activity". It really shouldn't taken this much time for him to essentially tell us that he is fine with a third of the game getting shot. He later posts his read on Zaragon and tells the vig to shoot him. If this was his scum read, then why did he just spend the last fifteen minutes with his list post?

Throughout the game, he produces several half-hearted cases against players, but he never actually goes after his targets. There is a limited amount of interaction with the players he suspects. A lot of the time, he asks others to ask him questions, rather than contribution on topics that he finds important on his own.

On September 24 2013 08:28 FirmTofu wrote:
Cephiro looks like me in Desert with less trolling. He's an excellent vig shot but a mediocre lynch. He sounds like he's having trouble catching up to the thread, an issue I can relate to. The rest of his filter is pretty crappy, but I don't think it makes him scum necessarily.


This post is a really generic soft defend. He doesn't want to commit to a town read on Ceph, so he states that he is fine with a vig shot, yet wouldn't lynch him. This allows him to vote elsewhere later on in the cycle.

On September 26 2013 13:48 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm pretty disappointed that I couldn't make the deadline today. You guys went full retard. Never go full retard.

I just skimmed the thread on my phone so I'm gonna do a full read through and do some analysis.


This is the scummiest post in his filter. I'm lost count of the number of times a scum player shows up after the lynch only to yell at town for something they showed no interest in preventing. He criticizes town for the LoneMeow lynch. The problem? He hasn't defended LoneMeow all game. He voted Umasi, a player who had no chance of getting lynched and essentially went afk again when the lynch was being decided. I gave him a pass for doing it on day one, but this is now two days in a row where he has displayed his apathy for the lynch.

When he performs his post lynch analysis, he still never acknowledges that cephiro is scum. So if he is frustrated about town going "full retard", how could he think it was a terrible lynch if the alternative wasn't incredibly scummy in his opinion?

On September 27 2013 14:02 FirmTofu wrote:
Also, I think Cephiro is a better lynch than Mocsta. I still don't see the scum motivation in what Mocsta did and Cephiro has been altogether useless this entire game.


On day three, he votes geript, but makes this post about Cephiro. Who exactly is he trying to convince? The vote is clearly going to be a blow out. Despite not being able to see scum motivation from Mocsta, he has a revelation post flip and notices the connection. Is this honestly something that he wouldn't consider beforehand?

There is a pretty apologetic theme from most of his posts and there are several points where he seems more interested in defending himself or making himself look good with unnaturally worded posts, rather than pushing his prefered mafia lynch. I'm not sure if there is anyone in this game that actually has a town read on FT, which generally points to mafia.

##Vote: FirmTofu
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 02:02 GMT
#5343
On October 01 2013 09:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm just going to claim because my role is actually useless. Doesn't matter because all the dudes are getting framed and everyone is GF so whatever.

I'm parity cop and VE was different than Umasi. Umasi was the same as BH. -.- Fucking framer bullshit is so stupid. Should known since MZ sent me "Same" and then 2 minutes later said "Wait, he's different nvm"


You should have three checks unless I'm missing something?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 02:19 GMT
#5345
Ah right, single target version.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 02:20 GMT
#5346
Reason for leaving FT out of your list Risen?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 03:22 GMT
#5360
On September 24 2013 12:21 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: Nope, never mind. No way a town FT comes out with a vote on VE.


On September 25 2013 02:41 Risen wrote:
I'm down for lynching anyone here, but would definitely prefer Cephiro or FT. Probably FT at this point.


On September 26 2013 02:13 Risen wrote:
Again, lynch candidates should be FT or Cephiro. I would prefer a FT lynch over Cephiro, but I do think both are scum so I'll lynch either.


On September 26 2013 02:21 Risen wrote:
I'm not moving my vote until it becomes clear Cephiro is going to be lynched over FT, who still, in spite of no redeeming qualities in his posting today, is not the leading lynch candidate. Team plz


On September 27 2013 12:27 Risen wrote:
Scum guarantees are: Mocsta, Geript.
My top scum reads outside these two are Cephiro and FT.


On September 28 2013 01:46 Risen wrote:
Zaragon the sad thing is that I actually have a very strong null read on Mocsta, but he has to be lynched. Not while we have so many clearly scummy people (Cephiro, Mr. CC, FT, Geript) but certainly once those four are taken care of.


On September 30 2013 06:29 Risen wrote:
I don't know how FT slipped my mind. He's on the level of VE/Matt in terms of wanting him dead.


______________________________________

On October 01 2013 12:07 Risen wrote:
mayyyyybe FT. If I were to vote FT it would be only because he got saved D1 and has subsequently done nothing the entire game. Like... if you got saved wouldn't you play the game? He's not actually a scum read because of his posting, though. He's barely above any other lurker.


So what exactly happened that changed your mind? You went from strong scum read on FT, to excluding him from your scum list and deciding that his posting isn't particularly scummy with the only reason you would lynch him being poor host meta. Why the huge flop?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 03:28 GMT
#5367
On October 01 2013 12:24 Risen wrote:
I keep forgetting about him and as other people post and appear scummy he slips further from my mind


Well you called him scummy last cycle and now you stated that his posts aren't particularly scummy. What changed your mind about this?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 03:41 GMT
#5372
Why post the case explaining that iamp is scum if you're just going to sheep my case 3 minutes later?

Consolidating is a sketchy reason when there is 1 vote a piece. Between the two, do you have a preference?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 03:42 GMT
#5373
Also, I have no idea what you're saying OO
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 14:40 GMT
#5424
On October 01 2013 13:38 FirmTofu wrote:
"trademark post that says nothing" is a generalization. Kita thinks this is scummy because he's seen scum play this way in the past.


What is the purpose of that long post about a night shot if you name 10 different people to consider shooting. Why not simply tell the vig to shoot your number one or two scum read, like you do a couple posts later? You aren't addressing the vig situation like you're saying if you make a list post.

On October 01 2013 13:38 FirmTofu wrote:
"I'm lost count of the number of times a scum player shows up after the lynch only to yell at town for something they showed no interest in preventing" is a generalization. Kita thinks this is scummy because he's seen scum showing up after lynch to yell at town.


Why did you call the lynch retarded if you didn't share a town read on LoneMeow and you stated earlier that Ceph was a bad lynch decision. What is there to get upset about? Rather than passing this off as a generalization, can you address the real point? You didn't exactly put in any effort to push your preference.

On October 01 2013 13:38 FirmTofu wrote:
However, these heuristics simply do not hold true for me. Kita has never played with me and does not know that I play this way as town and scum.


So are you saying that as town, you generally have no interest in convincing others and vote for players that have no chance of being lynched every cycle? I don't see why a meta case is superior to a case that points out mafia tendencies. You said yourself that you play similar as town and mafia, so why should it matter if I've played with you before to be aware of your play?

On October 01 2013 16:37 FirmTofu wrote:
Did anyone notice this in Deconduo's filter?

Votes Cephiro, sounding very confident...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=191#3813
...then switches to geript randomly with a pretty shitty reason when all hell broke loose between the LM and Cephiro lynches.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=200#3981

This is the perfect scum move. It's silent, but it did a good job to guarantee that LM would be lynched instead of Cephiro.


On October 01 2013 17:12 FirmTofu wrote:
Right now, I'd rather kill deconduo. My case on him is a few posts back.


Do you honestly think this "case" is enough to convince everyone that deconduo should be lynched today?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 15:11 GMT
#5445
My biggest issue with iamp is his actions during day two and I definitely think he is mafia.

On September 26 2013 10:36 iamperfection wrote:
ceph bothered to show up lone didn't even bother to look up the deadline.


On September 26 2013 09:25 Cephiro wrote:
EBWOP: Also voting for LoneMeow now, as it doesn't seem any other lynch is going to happen.
##vote LoneMeow


iamp clearly has a double-standard at the end of the day two lynch. Earlier in the cycle, he mentioned that he doesn't have a preference between the two and that he has decided to sheep marv because he trusts his judgement.

While ceph does return before the deadline, he doesn't post anything of value, stating that he would be open to a deconduo switch, which wasn't happening. He votes LoneMeow because he is really the only choice to save himself.

On September 26 2013 10:47 iamperfection wrote:
lone your obviously here if all your going to do is vote and afk i will kill you.


However, when Lone actually does show up, he attacks him for the Cephiro vote.

When LoneMeow comes up with the Doctor claim, iamp immediately distrusts his claim.

LoneMeow is claiming Doctor when he is not even leading the lynch and a multi-vote swap would be necessary, like I pointed out earlier.

Notice how he decides LoneMeow is lying even before he looks back through the filter to see if there is any mention of yamato. He has made his decision ahead of looking for evidence. He refuses to consider the alternative that LoneMeow could be telling the truth and never provides an explanation of why he would lie in this situation if he didn't need the votes to survive. I think a town iamp wouldn't be so suddenly decisive on a situation he was so wishy washy for most of the day. He seems to have something to gain on day two, by pushing the last minute swing so strongly.

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kitaman27 *
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October 01 2013 15:12 GMT
#5449
The thing about Mocsta that worries me is that he is so open to any of the other lynch candidates. Anything that will save him from biting the bullet seems to be fine with him.
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kitaman27 *
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United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 15:18 GMT
#5453
FT > iamp > Mocsta > Stutters > deconduo is my current preference out of the top five.

I would be pretty happy with either of the top two though.
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kitaman27 *
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United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 15:21 GMT
#5455
On October 02 2013 00:17 Mocsta wrote:
And why would town want to be mislynched? Either alignment wants to be saved from the noose.

Frankly, kitamin/oberyn, i expected a bit more common sense coming from you.


It's not that my problem is that you would support another lynch candidate, it's that you would support every other lynch candidate. I'm still not sure enough on you that I'd want to lynch you over FT though.
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kitaman27 *
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United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 15:22 GMT
#5458
On October 02 2013 00:21 justanothertownie wrote:
Is iamp a good townie generally? If yes I think I prefer to lynch him over FT. FT is a horrible townie and I am still not entirely sure if this or scum FT is the case.


iamp is an excellent townie from my experience. He is a common n1 or n2 mafia hit.

What makes you prefer iamp over FT?
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kitaman27 *
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October 01 2013 15:26 GMT
#5461
I'm not following you Mocsta, are you saying iamp is a good lynch or bad one?
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October 01 2013 15:43 GMT
#5466
On October 02 2013 00:00 Risen wrote:
JAT blank the thread and just read those four's filters. This isn't a lurker lynch on Stutters, this is a liar lynch. His being a lurker just makes it seem like a lurker lynch.


Stutters seems like the most likely mislynch bait in my opinion.

I don't think a "liar lynch" really makes sense, since a town or a mafia player really wouldn't want say they are working on a post, then never deliver. There is no scum benefit for saying something like that and then going away. He has been pretty much absent the last few days. I can see him being town, I can see him being mafia. I would much rather go after a player with a filter that you can actually analyze when a kp is one the line.
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kitaman27 *
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United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 15:49 GMT
#5470
On October 02 2013 00:49 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 00:18 kitaman27 wrote:
FT > iamp > Mocsta > Stutters > deconduo is my current preference out of the top five.

I would be pretty happy with either of the top two though.

Are you scum?


No, do you think I am?
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kitaman27 *
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United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 16:04 GMT
#5475
On October 02 2013 00:51 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 00:43 kitaman27 wrote:
On October 02 2013 00:00 Risen wrote:
JAT blank the thread and just read those four's filters. This isn't a lurker lynch on Stutters, this is a liar lynch. His being a lurker just makes it seem like a lurker lynch.


Stutters seems like the most likely mislynch bait in my opinion.

I don't think a "liar lynch" really makes sense, since a town or a mafia player really wouldn't want say they are working on a post, then never deliver. There is no scum benefit for saying something like that and then going away. He has been pretty much absent the last few days. I can see him being town, I can see him being mafia. I would much rather go after a player with a filter that you can actually analyze when a kp is one the line.

How can you say this and have FT at the top of people you want lynched?


Both players are not contributing.

However, FT is attempting to appear as if he is contributing, while stutters is simply gone.

Look at these phrases. They are far too self-aware to be town.

FirmTofu
"As town, I am more interested in determining his alignment."

"I can and will redeem myself for whatever you may think makes me scum."

""Finally got some decent reads."

"Now for a solid scum read!"

"Now I have to sift through this nonsense to find something of value..."

"This isn't spamming. I'm trying to solve this game"


Also, look how concerned he is about other's opinions of his. He spends more time looking for others to question him, than he does questioning people he actually thinks are scummy.

FirmTofu
"Any questions for me?"

"If you want to discuss why my thoughts are poorly reasoned, I willing to have a go at it."

"If you have any questions for me, I will answer them."

"Marv, you need anything from me?"

"You've said numerous times that it would be really useful to know my alignment because it would help decipher the votecount for Day 1. How exactly would this help you? "

"VE, you seem convinced I am scum. Would you like to ask me any questions that could help you read me? I will answer them to the best of my ability."


"Just ask me whatever and I'll respond as best I can."
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October 01 2013 17:23 GMT
#5515
On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote:
12: Cephiro-
seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him.

24: LoneMeow-
dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly.


On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote:
Scummers

cephiro- i sheep marv


On September 27 2013 11:12 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 11:11 geript wrote:
On September 27 2013 10:42 Risen wrote:
Should be clear but if I die and marv doesn't then lynch in this order

1) cephiro
2) mocsta
3) firmtofu

And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap.

Read this again folks. Risen is scum.

fine and all but marv guarantees ceph is scum. he guarantees it


iamp, could you please explain to me the reason that you went from ceph to LoneMeow? The only thing I can see in your flip in policy is that you liked that ceph was around for a couple of posts. What exactly about these posts that ceph made was enough to overturn your decision?

Also, you call LoneMeow a bad town. Why is it that you were so unwilling to believe he was bad town with the doctor claim? Why is it that you decided he was a liar before actually looking through his filter for a reference to yamato?

Why is it that you've taken a backseat role for all four lynches? This isn't the town iamp I'm used to seeing.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
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October 01 2013 17:28 GMT
#5519
On October 02 2013 02:25 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote:
12: Cephiro-
seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him.

24: LoneMeow-
dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly.


On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote:
Scummers

cephiro- i sheep marv


On September 27 2013 11:12 iamperfection wrote:
On September 27 2013 11:11 geript wrote:
On September 27 2013 10:42 Risen wrote:
Should be clear but if I die and marv doesn't then lynch in this order

1) cephiro
2) mocsta
3) firmtofu

And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap.

Read this again folks. Risen is scum.

fine and all but marv guarantees ceph is scum. he guarantees it


iamp, could you please explain to me the reason that you went from ceph to LoneMeow? The only thing I can see in your flip in policy is that you liked that ceph was around for a couple of posts. What exactly about these posts that ceph made was enough to overturn your decision?

Also, you call LoneMeow a bad town. Why is it that you were so unwilling to believe he was bad town with the doctor claim? Why is it that you decided he was a liar before actually looking through his filter for a reference to yamato?

Why is it that you've taken a backseat role for all four lynches? This isn't the town iamp I'm used to seeing.

because it was sudden and last minute i had to think quickly and my gut said fake claim when i first saw it. I thought he was the leading vote getter at the time i dont know if he actually wa but at the time i thought it. So then i open his filter see no yam anywhere and i determined fake claim. The rest is history


But you determined fake claim before you opened his filter according to the time stamps. Also, it seems like you already made up your mind before the doctor claim. You were threatening to vote him after he showed up to vote ceph. What about ceph's posts made you think he could be town when you said "at least ceph is around and posting". If anything, those posts would have made me think that he is more likely mafia.
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October 01 2013 17:35 GMT
#5526
On October 02 2013 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 02:28 kitaman27 wrote:
On October 02 2013 02:25 iamperfection wrote:
On October 02 2013 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote:
12: Cephiro-
seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him.

24: LoneMeow-
dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly.


On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote:
Scummers

cephiro- i sheep marv


On September 27 2013 11:12 iamperfection wrote:
On September 27 2013 11:11 geript wrote:
On September 27 2013 10:42 Risen wrote:
Should be clear but if I die and marv doesn't then lynch in this order

1) cephiro
2) mocsta
3) firmtofu

And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap.

Read this again folks. Risen is scum.

fine and all but marv guarantees ceph is scum. he guarantees it


iamp, could you please explain to me the reason that you went from ceph to LoneMeow? The only thing I can see in your flip in policy is that you liked that ceph was around for a couple of posts. What exactly about these posts that ceph made was enough to overturn your decision?

Also, you call LoneMeow a bad town. Why is it that you were so unwilling to believe he was bad town with the doctor claim? Why is it that you decided he was a liar before actually looking through his filter for a reference to yamato?

Why is it that you've taken a backseat role for all four lynches? This isn't the town iamp I'm used to seeing.

because it was sudden and last minute i had to think quickly and my gut said fake claim when i first saw it. I thought he was the leading vote getter at the time i dont know if he actually wa but at the time i thought it. So then i open his filter see no yam anywhere and i determined fake claim. The rest is history


But you determined fake claim before you opened his filter according to the time stamps. Also, it seems like you already made up your mind before the doctor claim. You were threatening to vote him after he showed up to vote ceph. What about ceph's posts made you think he could be town when you said "at least ceph is around and posting". If anything, those posts would have made me think that he is more likely mafia.

because caring about the lynch is one of the ways i find scum. I have found in the past scum show less intrest and are more apathetic to the lynch cephiro showed up lone hadn't to the last second


You came to the conclusion that cephiro cared about the lynch? He essentially placed a default vote on LoneMeow and mentioned that he could get behind a deconduo lynch in passing that would require like a 12 vote swing in the last hour.

On September 26 2013 09:25 Cephiro wrote:
EBWOP: Also voting for LoneMeow now, as it doesn't seem any other lynch is going to happen.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2009
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October 01 2013 17:36 GMT
#5527
On October 02 2013 02:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
On October 02 2013 02:28 kitaman27 wrote:
On October 02 2013 02:25 iamperfection wrote:
On October 02 2013 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote:
12: Cephiro-
seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him.

24: LoneMeow-
dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly.


On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote:
Scummers

cephiro- i sheep marv


On September 27 2013 11:12 iamperfection wrote:
On September 27 2013 11:11 geript wrote:
On September 27 2013 10:42 Risen wrote:
Should be clear but if I die and marv doesn't then lynch in this order

1) cephiro
2) mocsta
3) firmtofu

And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap.

Read this again folks. Risen is scum.

fine and all but marv guarantees ceph is scum. he guarantees it


iamp, could you please explain to me the reason that you went from ceph to LoneMeow? The only thing I can see in your flip in policy is that you liked that ceph was around for a couple of posts. What exactly about these posts that ceph made was enough to overturn your decision?

Also, you call LoneMeow a bad town. Why is it that you were so unwilling to believe he was bad town with the doctor claim? Why is it that you decided he was a liar before actually looking through his filter for a reference to yamato?

Why is it that you've taken a backseat role for all four lynches? This isn't the town iamp I'm used to seeing.

because it was sudden and last minute i had to think quickly and my gut said fake claim when i first saw it. I thought he was the leading vote getter at the time i dont know if he actually wa but at the time i thought it. So then i open his filter see no yam anywhere and i determined fake claim. The rest is history


But you determined fake claim before you opened his filter according to the time stamps. Also, it seems like you already made up your mind before the doctor claim. You were threatening to vote him after he showed up to vote ceph. What about ceph's posts made you think he could be town when you said "at least ceph is around and posting". If anything, those posts would have made me think that he is more likely mafia.

because caring about the lynch is one of the ways i find scum. I have found in the past scum show less intrest and are more apathetic to the lynch cephiro showed up lone hadn't to the last second


You came to the conclusion that cephiro cared about the lynch? He essentially placed a default vote on LoneMeow and mentioned that he could get behind a deconduo lynch in passing that would require like a 12 vote swing in the last hour.

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 09:25 Cephiro wrote:
EBWOP: Also voting for LoneMeow now, as it doesn't seem any other lynch is going to happen.


What about cephiro that he posted makes you think he cared about the lynch, rather than about himself.

Please point to specifics.
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kitaman27 *
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October 01 2013 18:01 GMT
#5530
On October 02 2013 02:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I am a little hesitant to lynch FT to be honest. If he was scum there should be scum on the other wagon Day1, no? Well, I don't see scum there. There are confirmed townies + rayn, sentinel (who both voted cephiro Day2) and Kush/Kitaman. Also, Kita: Mocsta is on the FT wagon. If you think he is scum then FT probably is not. Of course this is not perfect because the lynch was chaotic due to the host mistakes.
Apart from that I understand the urge to vote FT because he wastes his vote everyday and doesn't contribute shit.

Opinions?


I can see what you're saying about day one, but I don't necessarily think it means he isn't mafia. Mafia are generally unlikely to go out on a limb for a player that is afk, which FT was during the second half of day one. There is also the possiblity that the mafia likely decided to swing things towards LoneMeow, instead of FT, on day two even though FT could have been an easier lynch from the number of votes on him the previous day.

I'm actually pretty unconvinced with iamp's response. The fact that cephiro showed up to make an obvious vote on LoneMeow doesn't explain why iamp would be so convinced the doctor claim was fake, even though he had a bad town read on him prior. The one main reason to vote iamp over FT is that iamp played a role in the vote swing to save cephiro, while FT avoided it completely.

I'm still willing to consider both. Let me take one last look through iamp's filter.
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kitaman27 *
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October 01 2013 18:13 GMT
#5535
I'm actually pretty happy with lynching iamp first.

He acknowledges the importance of caring about the lynch, yet the only time he has really shown he cares is a five minute period where he is pushing the doctor claim over our only mafia lynch. He came to a conclusion before considering the evidence on that day. Day three he was pretty lazy and showed no interest in pushing things beyond cephiro. He uses the excuse that he is having a difficult time subbing in, but I managed to day the same an entire cycle later. He is clearly caught up based on the list post he made, that looks incredibly wrong, so it's not like that's a valid excuse. Even today he has only defended himself and posted a one-liner on someone he would be open to. For a town player that is as good as iamp, I think this has to be his mafia play.

##Unvote
##Vote iamperfection
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kitaman27 *
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October 01 2013 18:18 GMT
#5542
FT, do you still think iamp "must be scum"?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
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October 01 2013 18:19 GMT
#5545
On October 02 2013 03:17 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 03:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 02 2013 03:14 FirmTofu wrote:
On October 01 2013 17:47 Koshi wrote:
Scum mocsta so tryhard.
##unvote
##vote FirmTofu

Why are you voting me? Most of your posts indicate that Mocsta is a stronger scumread of yours than I am. You've talked more about Mocsta and you've expressed fear that I may flip town. If you were town, I'd expect you to be voting for Mocsta right now.

Good point. Who do you want to lynch or are you gonna waste your vote again?

Thankfully, I can actually be around during lynch today. I will probably use my vote on Deconduo/Mocsta, depending on which one has more votes.


Do you actually plan on convincing others or will you vote on your own island again? I'm kinda tempted to move back now if we have to go through this again -_-
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October 01 2013 18:27 GMT
#5551
On October 02 2013 03:17 iamperfection wrote:
and i actually think rayn is most likely to be mafia i think i caught him with his hand in the cookie jar.

Kita stop being silly and read what i have said about rayn ill be back in a few hours.


rayn actually looks decent from the events of day two. Is this something you'd refuse to consider?
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October 01 2013 18:33 GMT
#5554
On October 02 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:
Drop Mocsta from that, it appears people have left him. Good.

So Iamp, Stutters, FT

Focus discussion on these three alone


Are you satisfied with iamp's explanation about ceph caring about the lynch?
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kitaman27 *
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October 01 2013 18:41 GMT
#5558
On October 02 2013 03:35 Risen wrote:
My thoughts on the subject

Iamp looks scummy, but has had some good reads. Does he know too much? I don't know. It's something to look into later for me, but as long as his reads and actions line up with mine I don't care.


How can you say he has some good reads? Have you looked at his list post? He was like 0/5, with a scum read on Sent, who I also think is town. He was wrong about ceph and LoneMeow. He has a mafia read on rayn, who I think is town. He has a town read on stutters, which seems to conflict with what you think. He had a scum read on you, which would obviously conflict with what you think. deconduo might be scum, but I don't think he is one of the strongest candidates. Where exactly are all these great reads that you're seeing? If anything, he has had the worst reads this game.
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kitaman27 *
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United States9245 Posts
October 01 2013 18:42 GMT
#5560
On October 02 2013 03:38 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: In case it isn't clear, I think iamp is scum who knows too much. I think stutters is lurking scum. I think FT is null, he's done some pro-town shit (decon) and some anti-town shit (VE vote d2)


Do you think stutters is lurking or stutters is absent? Right now, it seems to me that he is simply gone, especially with his "In my hometown for the weekend" post.
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kitaman27 *
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October 01 2013 18:47 GMT
#5562
On October 02 2013 03:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 03:41 kitaman27 wrote:
On October 02 2013 03:35 Risen wrote:
My thoughts on the subject

Iamp looks scummy, but has had some good reads. Does he know too much? I don't know. It's something to look into later for me, but as long as his reads and actions line up with mine I don't care.


How can you say he has some good reads? Have you looked at his list post? He was like 0/5, with a scum read on Sent, who I also think is town. He was wrong about ceph and LoneMeow. He has a mafia read on rayn, who I think is town. He has a town read on stutters, which seems to conflict with what you think. He had a scum read on you, which would obviously conflict with what you think. deconduo might be scum, but I don't think he is one of the strongest candidates. Where exactly are all these great reads that you're seeing? If anything, he has had the worst reads this game.

Ok. Prepare for WIFOM.
Why would a scum team around iamp shoot 3 of those 5 "scumreads" last night and confirm them town?


Heh dunno. Why would a scum team shoot those 3, period? At first I thought it could be their suspicion of FT, but it's also possible they are going for the "dodge the medic" game.
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October 01 2013 19:16 GMT
#5601
Koshi, you going to move over to iamp with me?
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October 01 2013 19:18 GMT
#5607
On October 02 2013 04:01 Pandain wrote:
I think Iamp is town and you guys are over-exagerrating. Being doubtful of a medic claim isn't that scum-like, in fact I would think that scum would instantly bandwagon for mocsta to try and gain town cred. He has been posting good reads and contributing.


Am I missing something?
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October 01 2013 19:19 GMT
#5612
On October 02 2013 04:18 Pandain wrote:
Stop talking about Iamp your cases on him are shit.


Why? Where are these magical contributions that you're referring to?
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kitaman27 *
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October 01 2013 19:28 GMT
#5626
On October 02 2013 04:21 Pandain wrote:
Goddamnit Kita give me a second to put you in your place.

5 minutes please.


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October 01 2013 19:34 GMT
#5631
On a very important sidenote....

On September 22 2013 06:22 Pandain wrote:
I want the atmosphere we have now to stay and for people to consolidate your posts.


On August 19 2011 23:47 Pandain wrote:
atmosphereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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kitaman27 *
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October 01 2013 20:00 GMT
#5658
On October 02 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote:
The night kill argument also isn't wifom, why tell doctors to protect people who you're going to shoot?


The missing kp points to double stack. Who cares about a medic at that point? If anything, it makes him look good.
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October 01 2013 20:13 GMT
#5670
Do you plan on making your vote JAT?
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October 01 2013 20:15 GMT
#5672
On October 02 2013 05:05 Stutters695 wrote:
That said, let's talk about today's lynch. Mocsta>Kush> anyone else. Since its pretty clear you guys don't agree with that, here's what I see with Iamp/FT.


You do realize that kush was replaced 2 days ago right?

Does your scum read carry over to myself?
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October 01 2013 20:16 GMT
#5674
On October 02 2013 05:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Do I have to? There is still time. If I had to vote right now it would be iamp.


You're allowed to change it. Just trying to consolidate things.
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October 01 2013 20:19 GMT
#5678
On October 02 2013 05:18 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm sorry guys, I'm feeling a bit down about mafia right now. I'm going to take a break and be back later. I don't want to post things out of anger.


HEY VE AND GERIPT, YOU GUYS PAYING ATTENTION?
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October 02 2013 00:13 GMT
#5721
On October 02 2013 09:02 iamperfection wrote:
sometimes...

i dont even know how that happened


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October 02 2013 01:07 GMT
#5794
Wait what? Are we seriously doing another last hour bandwagon?
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October 02 2013 01:09 GMT
#5798
What are you referring to?
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October 02 2013 01:09 GMT
#5799
On October 02 2013 10:07 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 10:07 kitaman27 wrote:
Wait what? Are we seriously doing another last hour bandwagon?

Hell motherfucking yes.


lol you're siding with some incredibly sketchy company
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October 02 2013 01:14 GMT
#5811
On October 02 2013 10:11 Pandain wrote:
I made several points why iamp is town. He also has responded.

Here is the only thing you said to me:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:
On October 02 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote:
The night kill argument also isn't wifom, why tell doctors to protect people who you're going to shoot?


The missing kp points to double stack. Who cares about a medic at that point? If anything, it makes him look good.


I then stated:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 05:01 Pandain wrote:
On October 02 2013 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:
On October 02 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote:
The night kill argument also isn't wifom, why tell doctors to protect people who you're going to shoot?


The missing kp points to double stack. Who cares about a medic at that point? If anything, it makes him look good.


Then why didn't he talk about it later on or use it to defend himself?

Thinking about it, mafia could only have double stacked one of them. So even telling medics to protect even one of them risks the chance they protect the one who wasn't double stacked. Doesn't make sense.


That's not a good defense. I've directed the medics as mafia several times into players that I'm going to shoot.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that yamato and marv were good medic targets.
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October 02 2013 01:15 GMT
#5816
I actually think deconduo IS suspicious.

However, iamp is the player most likely to flip mafia. Similar to stutters, its a toss up with him. deconduo could be mafia, deconduo could be town. By iamp almost certainly is mafia.
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October 02 2013 01:18 GMT
#5819
On October 02 2013 10:15 Pandain wrote:
Then you're a really bad mafia player


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I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT WHAT AM I?
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October 02 2013 01:23 GMT
#5827
On October 02 2013 10:21 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 10:15 kitaman27 wrote:
I actually think deconduo IS suspicious.

However, iamp is the player most likely to flip mafia. Similar to stutters, its a toss up with him. deconduo could be mafia, deconduo could be town. By iamp almost certainly is mafia.

i dont understand how your so certain. like i get im not in the leading roll with the town on my back but that dosnt mean im scum did you read my points here

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 09:15 iamperfection wrote:
If you actually read my filter there are several town tells for me in this game and as you have seen before and seen somewhat this game i am extremmly good at figuring out that people are town.

1. I bothered to read the entire thread when i replaced in. Yes i could be a dedicated scum player but the likely hood that i would read the entire thread and post my thoughts is more likely to come from town

2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=172#3425 scum don't like to be center of attention i posted this when the thread was dead they don't like being talked about. The like to feign contribution and look good not actually contribute.

3. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=193#3842 why would i want marv to come back and steer the vote onto cephiro. This point dosn't have any wifom and is confirmed fact.

4. another non wifom point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=226#4516 why the fuck would i want marv to comment on me it was pretty clear that he was leaning scum on me. There is no reason in the world i would want marv to call me scum as scum




Yes I read it. That post is bad.

1) I would expect you to read the thread as either alignment. Why replace in if you weren't?
2) That post hardly puts you "in the center of attention"
3) You wanted to have the vote steered onto cephiro? Could have fooled me
4) Meh
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October 02 2013 01:38 GMT
#5876
On October 02 2013 10:38 Risen wrote:
Quick tally who can swap to rayn?

Just post me in the thread right now.

me


lol not me.
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October 02 2013 01:39 GMT
#5880
Are we just naming names to swap to until someone not names iamp sticks?

That coag guy looks pretty fishy.
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October 02 2013 01:54 GMT
#5922
lol playing the marv card. That's dirty.
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kitaman27 *
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October 02 2013 01:54 GMT
#5924
GUYS. IAMP IS 1-2 VOTES AWAY FROM SAVING HIMSELF. STOP THE LAST MINUTE SCUM SWING.
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kitaman27 *
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October 02 2013 02:09 GMT
#5960
eh gg iamp.
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kitaman27 *
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October 02 2013 02:11 GMT
#5964
On the off chance that we actually have a vig left, please take out the guy that is dodging the modkill in the last 15 sec. thx!
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October 02 2013 13:49 GMT
#6043
Modconfirmed talk is nonsense. It will eventually get you in trouble in future games if you try to meta the host.

I'm town, but that's completely independent of replacing in.
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kitaman27 *
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October 02 2013 18:22 GMT
#6052
stutters, do you actually have a town read on deconduo? As far as I can tell, you haven't actually commented on what you think of him.
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October 03 2013 12:46 GMT
#6098
Looking at the number of remaining players, it is currently 7:5. As Mocsta pointed out, even if we lynch mafia every day for the rest of the game, it will be 7:4 - > 5:4 -> 5:3 - > 3:3 GG. Therefore, we need either a medic save or a vig hit. Considering that no vig fired last night, we almost certainly need a medic save. With 1 dead parity cop, 1 dead medic, 1 confirmed vig, and 1 claimed parity cop, I highly doubt we have three medics.

If deconduo is really the medic, then the mafia team can roleblock him for the rest of the game and there is nothing we can do to stop them from reaching 3:3. If deconduo is lying about the medic, then we still have a chance of winning as the real medic can pull off the save.

Given that our options are either to :
A) Lose if deconduo is town regardless of if we lynch him
B) Still have a chance if deconduo is mafia

I think we have no choice but to lynch him.

Another thing to consider is that deconduo is may be trying to draw the real medic out. Even if a mafia deconduo gets lynched, a medic counter claim would win the game for scum. Therefore, the real medic should counter-claim under no circumstances.

##Vote deconduo
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October 03 2013 13:24 GMT
#6104
On October 03 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are not lynching deconduo. We need to lynch the mafia roleblocker to stand a chance in this game.
Lynch Stutters.


What makes you think deconduo isn't the mafia roleblocker?
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kitaman27 *
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October 03 2013 13:28 GMT
#6107
On October 03 2013 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 22:24 kitaman27 wrote:
On October 03 2013 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We are not lynching deconduo. We need to lynch the mafia roleblocker to stand a chance in this game.
Lynch Stutters.


What makes you think deconduo isn't the mafia roleblocker?

Because he claimed a fucking medic? Unless there is a counter-claim he probably is a medic...


So you're saying the medic SHOULD counter-claim? Are you crazy?
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October 03 2013 13:30 GMT
#6108
By the way, we totally need to extend this argument for the next 70ish pages to break the game length record
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October 03 2013 13:33 GMT
#6112
Huh? What part of my post about the numbers doesn't make perfect sense to you?
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October 03 2013 13:34 GMT
#6113
And why are you trying to work with deconduo to draw out the medic?
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October 03 2013 14:00 GMT
#6115
On October 03 2013 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because if there is no CC we 100% lose.


This is false. If the medic chooses to not counterclaim and continues to protect at night, we still have a chance if deconduo flips town.

There is like a 1/10 chance of hitting the roleblocker if the medic claims. Even if we manage to lynch mafia, there is a 1/5 chance that we lynch the roleblocker.

Even if the medic claims and the rber is lynched, the mafia simply shoot him instead of roleblocking. Right now the medic has three chances at a save in secret and one chance at a save if he counterclaims.

Does anyone honestly have a town read on deconduo regardless of the medic claim? This is the guy that avoids the entire conversation yesterday, ninjas a vote, and then claims to avoid a lynch, rather than pushing his prefered lynch candidate.

He didn't need to claim to save himself. He could have pushed stutters or Mocsta, or whoever he thinks is scum (I don't even know). Instead, he roleclaimed likely hoping for a counter-claim like you want.
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October 03 2013 14:01 GMT
#6116
On October 03 2013 23:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because if there is no CC we 100% lose.


This is false. If the medic chooses to not counterclaim and continues to protect at night, we still have a chance if deconduo flips mafia.

There is like a 1/10 chance of hitting the roleblocker if the medic claims. Even if we manage to lynch mafia, there is a 1/5 chance that we lynch the roleblocker.

Even if the medic claims and the rber is lynched, the mafia simply shoot him instead of roleblocking. Right now the medic has three chances at a save in secret and one chance at a save if he counterclaims.

Does anyone honestly have a town read on deconduo regardless of the medic claim? This is the guy that avoids the entire conversation yesterday, ninjas a vote, and then claims to avoid a lynch, rather than pushing his prefered lynch candidate.

He didn't need to claim to save himself. He could have pushed stutters or Mocsta, or whoever he thinks is scum (I don't even know). Instead, he roleclaimed likely hoping for a counter-claim like you want.


EBWOP
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October 03 2013 14:30 GMT
#6125
I'd like to mention that I'm also medic, but I determined that none of you guys were worth saving.
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October 03 2013 17:27 GMT
#6176
On October 02 2013 10:59 deconduo wrote:
Hey guys, sorry for the inactivity, will explain later.

##Vote iamperfection


Is there something that you planned to explain here?
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October 03 2013 18:13 GMT
#6186
It's too bad he's not going to find any braaains in this game.
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October 03 2013 18:28 GMT
#6189
Kinda funny that FirmTofu hasn't even been mentioned this cycle -_-
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October 03 2013 19:07 GMT
#6192
Right now I have these tiers:

Certainly Town
6: kushm4sta
15: Coagulation

Probably Town
13: Mr. Cheesecake - Parity claim with no other roleblock
29: justanothertownie - General townie vibe, though kinda surprised he hasn't be a night hit
11: Pandain - Cares way too much about lynch than I would expect from mafia on day four

Mafia That We Should Lynch
14: Xzavier Decondou
16: Stutters695
10: FirmTofu

Remaining Mafia Probably In Here
2: raynpelikoneet
19: [UoN]Sentinel
7: Koshi

I kinda had townish reads on all three of these players yesterday, but the five mafia need to come from somewhere. rayn and sent both have good voting records from day two to lynch ceph over LoneMeow. Koshi hasn't done anything exceptionally scummy except buddy me.
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October 03 2013 19:21 GMT
#6194
Ah right, Mocsta would go into the remaining list, behind my top three.

Where are you sitting with your top scum reads?
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October 03 2013 19:31 GMT
#6197
One thing I'm kinda weirded by is the Koshi x Rayn interaction. This is a really bad time to vote each other considering the other clear options available. Town needs to vote together in a 7:5 lylo situation and splitting off their votes obviously works against this. I'm wondering if they are both mafia, as I know rayn has a history of interacting with his scum buddies like that.
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October 03 2013 19:32 GMT
#6198
Actually, now that I think about it. All seven town need to be voting together or we lose. A single misplaced vote allows the mafia to decide the lynch, assuming they can manipulate the tiebreaker.
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October 03 2013 20:38 GMT
#6209
On October 04 2013 05:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Kita you still there?

What do you make of deconduos "crumbs"?
And why do you think scum would post this:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 11:26 deconduo wrote:
OO claimed he was RB'd night 1.
No one claimed for night 2.
JAT night 3.
What happened night 2? Unless Marv/Yamato was RB'd as well, but why RB who you kill. Something's up.

I mean scum would know who they roleblocked and how easily this could be solved. Also Zaragon had claimed being roleblocked by then. I missed that too but scum would probably know that.

I guess if deconduo is the medic we lost anyways because he claimed but it doesn't hurt to think about it.


I don't really understand what the crumbs are.

The post about the roleblocker isn't very relevant in my opinion since scum pretend not to have knowledge they should have all the time in order to gain town cred.

I mean, there is the possibility that deconduo is the medic, but at the moment I'm sticking with the more likely scenario that he is mafia.
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October 03 2013 20:50 GMT
#6212
On October 04 2013 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:
The "crumbs" are that he used the names of his targets instead of the names of the people he is talking about in those quotes.


Hmm, maybe. He didn't crumb on night four, which I would have expected though.

It's also quite a coincidence that he happened to decide to protect two players that flipped town, but they didn't go through because of replacing and double-stack.
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October 03 2013 20:51 GMT
#6213
Plus there is the fact that he still hasn't released a scum read...
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October 03 2013 20:54 GMT
#6214
Do you think that Mocsta is more likely fake-claiming at lylo? I really doubt we have 3 medics, 2 parity cops, and a vig.
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October 03 2013 21:22 GMT
#6220
On October 04 2013 06:21 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 05:55 Pandain wrote:
I can buy a Mocsta fake claim but decondou is obviously scum


Pandain confirmed scum,


deconduo, do you think Mocsta is scum?
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October 03 2013 21:29 GMT
#6223
So your preferred lynch today is pandain?
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October 04 2013 03:47 GMT
#6245
On October 04 2013 11:43 Mocsta wrote:
Deconduo I have to think about. The timing of everything is just so damn suspect but I don't care enough anymore to figure out what it means.


So you counter-claim deconduo as the real medic and now you have to think about it?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 04 2013 13:18 GMT
#6258
On October 04 2013 16:10 deconduo wrote:
Anyway I was 99% sure iamp was scum, so I figured I'd hammer him at the last minute, no problems there.


If you were 99% sure iamp was scum, why is it that you never shared this in the thread? You say you didn't return until 20 minutes before the lynch, which must mean that you had a scum read on iamp earlier on in the game. Why not say so on day two, day three, or the beginning of day four?

On October 03 2013 00:35 deconduo wrote:
I don't understand all the hate.

- I wasn't going to be lynched whether I was around or not.


On October 04 2013 16:10 deconduo wrote:
I didn't want to draw any attention to myself in case I somehow managed to swing a last minute vote to me.


You say you weren't getting lynched even if you were around, yet you also say you didn't post so you wouldn't get lynched. You're contradicting yourself.

If you were 99% sure iamp was scum and was worried about how you looked to town, wouldn't pushing iamp's lynch make you look a lot better when he flipped? Did you really think that ninja voting 30 sec before the deadline was going to help your position?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 04 2013 13:24 GMT
#6261
Or give us a fighting chance?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 04 2013 14:09 GMT
#6266
Still need CC's vote to make me feel safe about preventing any last minute shenanigans.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 04 2013 16:05 GMT
#6276
On October 05 2013 01:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 22:25 Pandain wrote:
No because FT is the guy that would flip town

I hope you are saying FT is the guy that would do that as town and not that you have a townread on him?

So, is deconduo the lynch? I don't know if I can make the deadline today. I will be at a birthday party and if I am able to be here it won't be long before the lynch and I could be drunk. Will be leaving in an hour.


I'm also unsure if I'll be available before the lynch.

At this point, I think he is our best bet. Hopefully he flips mafia and we can pull off a save tonight.

Everyone should consolidate with the deconduo lynch unless you think myself, mocsta, JAT, koshi, and pandain are all mafia. We need to vote together as town at 7:5.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 05 2013 02:46 GMT
#6327
GG all.

Thanks to Meapak and Solstice for hosting!
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 05 2013 04:16 GMT
#6362
On October 05 2013 12:44 geript wrote:
Really... You replaced scum in after you mod killed town... Not cool


This was certainly the correct thing to do.

Malongo had zero posts and he was a replacement of a player also with zero posts.

kush was an active player who had to replace out for a legit reason.

Mods don't modkill to maintain balance, they do so to enforce the rules.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 05 2013 15:12 GMT
#6385
On October 05 2013 19:54 marvellosity wrote:
Also kita's catchup post where he said i died to guarantee Ceph's death and didn't mention the other mafia I called out made me smile.


lol opps
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-05 17:20:34
October 05 2013 17:20 GMT
#6395
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 05 2013 17:20 GMT
#6396
On October 06 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote:
Town could (should) have won this game with "normal" play from about the middle of day 2.


I agree. I think a stutters lynch was closer than it appeared on day four. Mafia kp goes down by one, a framer is dead with two late game parity cops alive, and a large part of the mafia team is suspected by the town leaders that pushed stutters over iamp. With a confirmed coag alive, it only takes a cop check or a doctor save that confirms two more players and the game is suddenly a lot closer.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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