TL Mafia LXII: TL Noir

On September 17 2013 18:38 Koshi wrote:
If we all put some effort in I think we can make this a 500 page game.

On September 17 2013 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
/policy lynch half of town

On September 17 2013 23:36 Clarity_nl wrote:


True, but also has to do with everyone being fairly inexperienced in voice mafia. People are baffled by claims and stuff.
Obviously voice mafia is shallow in comparison but that's because of the time put in but I think it has plenty of room to grow.

On September 18 2013 00:00 iamperfection wrote:

What changed from the previous the games? Mostly the same players right? Unless........

On September 18 2013 00:07 iamperfection wrote:
oh by the way trying new style less posting etc etc

On September 25 2013 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:

So now you think yamato is confirmed town? What made you chance your mind?

On September 24 2013 12:22 yamato77 wrote:
I'm confirmed town, so what I say actually goes today.

We lynch Sentinel.

On September 25 2013 05:46 iamperfection wrote:

you know he is pretty much confirmed town right?

On September 23 2013 03:02 Umasi wrote:


Because I think he's town. Chairmans just pretty good lynchbait
he certainly was last game, and his play so far has evoked an identical feel.

on another note, find it annoying how you're like 'umasi hasn't talked enough about the important things in the thread' and then ask me about two one liners.
kinda wacky, but I have a town read on you.

idk about FT, slightly scummy for me, because of how contrived his pressure on DP felt for a silly reason

thank god your thoughts on me basically are 'if he's red, man we have some things to go on' and 'he hasn't talked about important things!'
Lynching for information is something I'm a firm disbeliever of, I think it's frequently a scum tool
fwiw, I told you guys I'd respond to questions you had for me (and the only one I've seen is mocsta's)
mocsta kinda grouped us together as non-contributing-flying-under-the-radar dudes iirc, so you suddenly voting me with THAT shit reasoning is why I'm voting you, because it feels you're like 'quick target the other dude who's in a similar position to me'


also there's a vote thread, use it

##vote sentinel

On September 23 2013 04:10 Umasi wrote:
annoying thing is I don't feel that strongly about the sentinel lynch, just stronger than other lynches that have been tossed around.
kinda want to see what people think though

On September 23 2013 10:57 Umasi wrote:
sentinel vote for justice!
do it do it do it

On September 23 2013 10:59 Umasi wrote:
no I mean people should vote sentinel for justice :|

On September 25 2013 06:32 FirmTofu wrote:

Filter me please. I am one of the leading candidates for the lynch today so my filter would be a worthwhile investment.

On September 25 2013 09:08 iamperfection wrote:
is cephiro in the game or did he get replaced?

On September 25 2013 09:56 iamperfection wrote:
you can comment on my big post in a bit

On September 25 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote:
Sorry yam.

If mattchew flips scum. I think the next guy to flip should be Geript.

His dwlurk yesterday was such an odd timing...and..reading his filter now I really fucked up early game to ve... He was right about Geript using ve to find Dp scummy. Geript posted his points after the comment, not before as I had said

Highest % to flip for the win right?

On September 25 2013 23:13 iamperfection wrote:

ive been reading risen a bit more and i think he could be an excellent lynch. I dont know if you followed got but as town he was the guy that was super bat shit crazy and hey everyone look at me. Would do this pretty much throughout the game.

I dont get that same feeling from this game. Sure he says some dumb stuff but i never got the sense that risen was in the spotlight at all through my read through nor did he make many attempts to grab said spotlight. Seems to me that he is fine leaning back and not doing much

like this makes no sense to me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=160#3183
he posted whatever he wanted in got even with almost the entire thread calling him stupid.

On September 25 2013 23:21 iamperfection wrote:

would you say he has put himself in the spotlight much at all?

On September 25 2013 23:22 iamperfection wrote:

because i have played with risen recently cephiro i have never met ( i think?)

On September 25 2013 23:26 iamperfection wrote:

what do you mean?

On September 26 2013 00:57 iamperfection wrote:
its a tomb in here

people comment on what i have said about risen

you can check a recent town game here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047&user=Risen

i would say his play this game has been different and most importantly different in a scummy way in that he seems much more in the background then he was in that game.

On September 26 2013 02:44 iamperfection wrote:

Can you stop being annoying you said you were going to give me room to operate in order to prove my alignment instead you do this crap. If I have a question I'll ask it. And in fact I already asked a question to risen and he didn't directly answer but he says ft hasn't preformed well this cycle which I vehemently disagree with.

On September 26 2013 08:46 iamperfection wrote:
that said he does have the old player list so he probably did this at the beginning of the game.

On September 26 2013 08:56 iamperfection wrote:
koshi you really gonna waste your vote on rayn?

On September 26 2013 09:34 iamperfection wrote:
moc stop fucking around.

On September 26 2013 09:50 iamperfection wrote:
decondu is a better choice he dosn't even know why he is voting for his scum read. Looks like he picked a top candidate tried to come up with some justification and failed.

On September 26 2013 10:37 Pandain wrote:
I hate the word easy.
I go after people because I think they are scum.

I need to do psychology now.
VE is scum
+ Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 26 2013 10:40 iamperfection wrote:

why are you using your so called flip as a bargaining chip when your in no danger of being nor probally being shot most likely. Whats with this defeatist attitude ve it makes no sense

On September 26 2013 10:45 iamperfection wrote:

do you think he is scum?

On September 26 2013 11:01 iamperfection wrote:
someone vig geript tonight by the way

On September 27 2013 07:30 iamperfection wrote:
so i will be able to post updated scum reads before the deadline but i will be out the next couple hours i was watching through my phone and i want these thoughts and musings out now.

Don't shoot geript i think despite my hatred for such a player he is town. His trolling and ninja voting while super annoying and no town player should ever do it is more of indication of him being town. It puts a huge target on his back and gives him a ton of attention and despite what i am saying here a lot of players would vig him anyways. Its a sucidal strategy and it is likely coming from an idiot townie.

I think Mr CC is town. He did the same thing i did when he saw the claim. Opened his filter to see if it made any sense it did not. This looks like to me that he is trying to figure things out. Mr cc would have known that lone was telling the truth if he was scum.

conversely Sents reaction troubles me the most because he instantly believed it and didn't even bother to look for reasoning.

Marv if your not gonna bother to show up around the lynch don't complain about the result. Its extremely likely your town and you fucking off two hours before when we need you is unacceptable. don't do it again.

for night actions drs on yamato and marv
dts do what you want

On September 27 2013 07:35 iamperfection wrote:

you said you were going to watch got

On September 27 2013 07:39 iamperfection wrote:

What are you talking about your last post was like 2 hours before the lynch

On September 27 2013 07:41 iamperfection wrote:

because i was debating on who to kill and this is what happened in front of me. I looked at his filter and thought he was full of shit

On September 27 2013 07:46 iamperfection wrote:

i never believed him. He came in 10 mins before the lynch to claim dr. When you open his filter there is no mention of yamato. That looks like a fake claim to me just in hope to get a counter claim. So you wrong i had reasons

On September 27 2013 07:58 iamperfection wrote:

Marv isn't lone.

Like i have decided that when I get blue role I'm not gonna crumb anything anymore because there is no reason for me to do so.

Lone had no presence in the game I don't understand why anyone would believe his claim.

On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote:

24: LoneMeow-
dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly.

On September 27 2013 08:07 iamperfection wrote:
Marv he was about to die and came in last min to claim it looked like a fake scum claim to me.

On September 27 2013 09:28 iamperfection wrote:
decondu why did you not respond when people were calling you out but the proceed to happen to be around the deadline?

On September 27 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:

I find it negated by the red statement that follows. In a game with unknown quantities of roles, a counterclaim wouldn't really do anything to prove whether LM was lying. Verily, we HAD a counterclaim and...he wasn't lying.

I had the same thought, but I couldn't reconcile it with the request for counterclaims. Am I wrong?

On September 27 2013 09:36 iamperfection wrote:

right after your vote post on cephiro. You reading the thread?

On September 27 2013 10:42 Risen wrote:
Should be clear but if I die and marv doesn't then lynch in this order

1) cephiro
2) mocsta
3) firmtofu

And somewhere find a way to kill marv. Scum can't allow someone that active to be kept alive. He has to much pull in the thread. Mocsta and ft can be switched. Ft can be lynched before ceph, even. Just kill those three asap.

On September 27 2013 13:46 geript wrote:
FT coag is a vig. He claimed shot vs Vayne and we have 3 confirmed a aka night 1. Read the fucking thread or get mod killed.

On September 27 2013 21:45 iamperfection wrote:
Everyone give a read on me this is a mandatory assignment.

Coag is excused

On September 27 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
D1 we lynched a blue. D2 the lynch was between two townies and a blue got lynched. This shouldn't happen.

On September 29 2013 12:15 iamperfection wrote:
alright coag is still confirmed. any dr's left on him dont wifom it make mafia shoot in active or waste kp with double stack

On September 29 2013 12:28 Mocsta wrote:

what has marv got to do with lynching me? He was never pushing me as a primary lynch.

This is pretty fucking scummy to do.

Explain NAIO!

On September 29 2013 12:51 iamperfection wrote:

why do you want a policy lynch when we need to reduce mafia kp

On September 29 2013 12:15 iamperfection wrote:
alright coag is still confirmed. any dr's left on him dont wifom it make mafia shoot in active or waste kp with double stack

On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote:
1: DarthPunk/sb-
town because dp being a little bitch about people calling him scum and then replacing out because of it means he is extremely likely to be town. Plus he was pretty active and in the spotlight day one anyways.

2: raynpelikoneet-
town his most recent push on firm while misguides seemed legit at least and looked like he was at least trying to figure out alignments and overall good activity and seems to have been one of the major players. He is good as scum but i think he has been legit and real in his posts.

5: yamato77-
town he just is plus he got protected and he wouldnt lie about that. Also was active before that

6: kushm4sta-
dont know. Rember the days when he used to be meiocore at this game. Now it seems like he spends his time just bithcing and moaning.

8: ObviousOne-
annoying but seems to have a matter fact way of not wanting to explain himself. bad but likely town.

10: FirmTofu-
Town This kid is town he has explained himself over and over agains hasnt really been afraid of the spotlight. Also has used his time to contribute in the right way with pushing see umasi instead of just defending himself this is what you do as town when you have pressure on you. you give your reads and your thoughts regardless of the pressure you dont complain. He is town

11: Pandain-
his sent push seems legit and seems to have some of the same reasoning i have. If he is thinking like means he is probally town. needs more actvity.

12: Cephiro-
seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him.

13: Mr. Cheesecake-
im excused from reading him because i hate him. he will probally at some point afk from this game and be active somewhere else on tl.

14: decondu-
confused about why yamato was town would likely know his scum team shot yamato so slight indication he might be town i dont feel strong about need to see more from him.

15: Coagulation-
town no reason to not belive he is the vig with his and yamtos claims

16: Stutters695-
martyer hate that shit but who knows probally bad town though

17: iamperfection-
IC

18: Zenatsu/molango-
a double lurker. A sure sign of the apoclypse.

19: [UoN]Sentinel-
scum this is bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=45#888 it was just a long excuse to vote coag for no real reason listing lurkers is even worse than lurkers because it a way to look like your contributing . so is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=85#1699 say absoloutly nothing on a major topic while sudetly supporting it and then when he votes for him hes not very clear on why he is scum just he has regressed from an earlier game. He has given some decent reasoning for some his thoughts later on so he isnt my strongest scum read but that day 1 still reads as scum.

20: VisceraEyes-
I dont really understand his existential crisis that he all of sudden for no real good reason but i dont see the scum motivation. Like he didnt use it as an excuse to not talk about the game as he is still talking so i would say town on him. has been generally active and talking about the game. His thinking that it may be possible both coag and yamato could be scum is kind of ridiclous as in to ridiclous to come from scum.

22: geript-
scum his biggest contribution for the entire game was to tunnel dp and make him rage quit. outside of that the rest of his day one was useless and hasnt done anything this cycle scum

23: Risen-
i dont fucking know hasnt really done anything could be scum in fact i would say leaning scum

24: LoneMeow-
dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly.

25: marvellosity-
Town seems active and intrested i will say town and improve my record of reading him almost always correctly. seems to have setled into the role of town leader.

26: Zaragon-
scum played the im a newbie card kind of wierd that he would go after ve as scum but in effect his vote was wasted and did nothing of vlaue. Says stuff like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=87#1721 says sent isnt great case but leaning scum????????? dont know what that means. and wants to say im not sure it seems a lot and never really reaches solid conlusions that much.

27: Mattchew-
scum Terrible response to the pressure that has come to him. Seems like he has decided to use this cycle to just calling marv scum without putting any effort in to convince people why or to dow ell anything really. Seems to have resigned to his fate http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=149#2977 and dosnt want to try to convince anyone of anything. The spotlight is on him and he has crumbuled. mocs case has merit i specfically like his points about his approach to stutters. dont really care for the voice mafia junk but mattchew's actions since the case make me strongly believe he is scum

Umasi-scumi will give credit to firmtofu here i think he made solid point here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=151#3011 hes scum for that i would say

29: justanothertownie- was going to stay up to see my post +1 for eagerly awaiting iamperfection posts. outside of that he hasnt done a ton and hasnt had strong reads but seems to be self aware of that fact in a matter of fact way. My gut would say town.

30: Mocsta-towni like his case been active extremely likely town i would say efort etc....

On September 26 2013 10:36 iamperfection wrote:
ceph bothered to show up lone didn't even bother to look up the deadline.

On September 26 2013 10:54 iamperfection wrote:
hes lying kill him

On October 02 2013 02:16 iamperfection wrote:
I think its even worse that rayn uses those reasons to say im the best lynch when we have a chance to reduce mafia kp.

Rayn are you still here dear?

On September 25 2013 11:55 iamperfection wrote:
12: Cephiro-
seems to be always catching up for some reason and his last catching up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=133#2647 he promised to be a good townie going forward he didnt do shit. honestly i dont really know but fuck it ill say scum because fuck him.

24: LoneMeow-
dont know: calling stuff wierd but not scummy here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=35#690 scum do that because they dont have the balls to actually call someone scum. fucking martyer. suspicious of umasi though gives me pause might be super bad town. plus these days people who martyer have kind of been flipping town unfortunatly.

On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote:
Scummers

cephiro- i sheep marv

On September 27 2013 11:12 iamperfection wrote:

fine and all but marv guarantees ceph is scum. he guarantees it

On October 02 2013 02:23 iamperfection wrote:
no rayn i have explained it time and time again my reasoning. Your are using the result to make the basis that it isnt town motivated and not looking what happened at time because you are scum to make it suit your objective. I was clearly reacting to what happened at the time and reacting quickly.

i have another question for you why did you vote ve at the start of the cylce when it looks like from my understanding



when it looks like me and cc were your top reads unless im mistaken

you tell me rayn if your scum i wont hold it against you.

On October 02 2013 02:25 iamperfection wrote:

because it was sudden and last minute i had to think quickly and my gut said fake claim when i first saw it. I thought he was the leading vote getter at the time i dont know if he actually wa but at the time i thought it. So then i open his filter see no yam anywhere and i determined fake claim. The rest is history

On October 02 2013 03:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Stutters is the coinflip here. He looks bad for voting LM but at least he is consistent because he voted him Day1 and Day2. Apart from that no information to be had.

On October 02 2013 09:02 iamperfection wrote:
sometimes...

i dont even know how that happened

On October 02 2013 03:03 Risen wrote:

You're disregarding the post you yourself pointed out to me earlier. It's not a coin flip, he has played scummy this game, and he's managed to do it in a filter as short as his is. Decon has done that too!

On October 02 2013 09:30 iamperfection wrote:

whats scummy about it

On October 02 2013 09:33 iamperfection wrote:

so im preventing a lynch on stutters to secure my own lynch lol

On October 02 2013 09:15 iamperfection wrote:
If you actually read my filter there are several town tells for me in this game and as you have seen before and seen somewhat this game i am extremmly good at figuring out that people are town.

1. I bothered to read the entire thread when i replaced in. Yes i could be a dedicated scum player but the likely hood that i would read the entire thread and post my thoughts is more likely to come from town

2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=172#3425 scum don't like to be center of attention i posted this when the thread was dead they don't like being talked about. The like to feign contribution and look good not actually contribute.

3. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=193#3842 why would i want marv to come back and steer the vote onto cephiro. This point dosn't have any wifom and is confirmed fact.

4. another non wifom point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=226#4516 why the fuck would i want marv to comment on me it was pretty clear that he was leaning scum on me. There is no reason in the world i would want marv to call me scum as scum

On October 02 2013 09:53 iamperfection wrote:

your not thinking marv was killed there is 0 motivation for me to want him to call me scum it serves no purpose to me what so ever it only hurts me to have marv call me scum.

On October 02 2013 09:57 iamperfection wrote:

he didnt even leave a last will it still makes no sense for me to drive it out of him.

deconduo (4): FirmTofu, Pandain, iamperfection, ObviousOne

On October 02 2013 10:23 iamperfection wrote:
do you know what happened the last time i replaced in a big game moc?

On October 02 2013 10:51 iamperfection wrote:
pandain has to be town or he didn't think about this lynch logically as scum.

On October 02 2013 10:56 iamperfection wrote:

no hes obviosuly town he would have no reason to defend me from my pov. i know im town and a mislynch here is all but gg no re