EPTI'll give large games another shot, got a new strategy lol.
Meapak I phone post a lot which requires double/triple posting if I need to quote multiple posts. Will that be alright since it is relevant to the game?
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I'll give large games another shot, got a new strategy lol. Meapak I phone post a lot which requires double/triple posting if I need to quote multiple posts. Will that be alright since it is relevant to the game? | ||
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On September 21 2013 23:08 Mocsta wrote: Have you turned a new leaf or something? Since when do you care as town? So I'm awake. Can you clarify this for me Mocsta. I got that you're implying that a caring kush is a scum kush, but this post imply you think he's town. Can you explain what's different about him this time to why you think he's town instead of scum? | ||
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Don't be bad plz. Look at everything he's done. Yes he appears to give a shit (both good and bad depending on how you read his meta) but in this case that's really bad because he doesn't give a single shit about finding scum. He's playing thread police and defending a lurker/giving out town reads, all of which is significantly easier than hunting as scum. You can thank me once he flips red. | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:15 DarthPunk wrote: If you think you have the right to call me bad considering the little you have done in this game you are delusional. Don't do it again. I didn't call you bad, I asked you not to be bad, implying you will be if you try to lynch me. I even said plz, that's pretty nice. Do you disagree with what I said about Kush? | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:12 kushm4sta wrote: how am i thread police stutters? By asking for modkills, calling people out for spamming instead of playing? I'd say it's a fitting description | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:15 kushm4sta wrote: his case of me was actually pretty decent though So feel like throwing out who we should lynch instead of you? | ||
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On September 22 2013 04:17 Coagulation wrote: Anyone buying marvs tryhard "taking notes" bullshit? I consider myself a bit of a marv aficionado and hes giving me bad vibes here for sure. He is waaaay more passive than I'd like, but I've found with Marv it comes together with time. If he's town he'll go on a rampage at some point that will confirm him as town or he'll get shot. I wouldn't worry about it yet, he played like this in Basterd also. | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:36 Koshi wrote: Ahya vigs. But in VA case, lynch better. Finally off work. Why exactly is it better to lynch someone who gives us no info from the flip over someone who has actually interacted with people? | ||
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On September 22 2013 08:08 kushm4sta wrote: Asking for modkills was a joke mostly. Obviously it wasn't going to happen. Telling them to stop spamming was definitely a joke. Notice how I used 2 posts unnecessarily and thus spammed myself So you've done even less then. Care to contribute? Anyway, now that filters are up I'll get some reading in since finding it before was retarded on my phone. | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote: Hey everyone, this is my first post here. Sorry I haven't been around since the start since I was pretty busy, but I'm definitely going to dedicate a few hours today and tomorrow doing my best to contribute. This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience. Last game I learned that it's quite difficult to get strong reads on people during the day. Most my reads at the start were quite off. A lot of town said scummy things, and a lot of scum were quite pro town. However during the final hour when thing started being messy, there were strong reads everywhere. So this game I will try to focus on making things very difficult for scum during the last hour. If a town ends up being lynched day 1, I want as much information to come out of it as possible. So feel free to ask me anything and I will try to be as transparent as possible. If I see something fishy, I will definitely try to flush you out as well. How exactly do you plan on making things harder for scum only in the last hour? | ||
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@Chairman(pg 55): You came into the thread talking nonsense about the last hour while I. happened to be in the thread. Regarding your read on me you've failed to demonstrate a. why it must come from a scum mindset and b. what is wrong with my analysis on Kush. It's a bit ironic that you attack me for having only one read while you're doing the same thing as well. lol @mocsta(55): I didn't come into the thread to discredit you, I was reading on my phone and misunderstood the context. I thought it was ridiculous that you'd find Kush as town, then once you pointed out you didn't I dropped it because we were on the same page Some analysis coming up, just wanted to address things as I caught up that were related to me | ||
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See previous case + wants to lynch Coag via sheeping. Tack on excessive trolling and more importantly: not giving a single shit about the direction of the lynch at all On September 22 2013 18:55 kushm4sta wrote: ooo i know i just looked at the playerlist . lonemeow because his progression of actions does not look organic. he votes whoever. they defend. ok vote osmeone else. mattchew becaues bitching at othe rpeople but not doing anything himself umasi maybe? dont remember stutters looks like he had decided to tunnel me before the game even started. His point on lonemeow is actually good but you can see how little he cares because he never brings it up again. His Mattchew point doesn't demonstrate a scum mindset and he has zero justification at all for throwing umasi and I in there. This dude is one scummy scummer. | ||
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First, so it's absolutely clear Kush needs to die. He's my number one choice. But if you guys don't dig it today, these are my other choices: LoneMeow: The Mocsta/Pandain post is bad. He never explains the Mocsta bit. Considering he later says he never t called Pandain scum, it's a little ridiculous to never follow up on it. Additionally by not ever thinking that Pandain was scum he essentially has done no work except a "pressure"(in a very loose sense ) vote. Feels too safe and like he has no interest in the lynch, just appearing helpful enough for it not to be him. I also think there is a good chance Chairman is scum, but I'm sick so I want to lay down. I'll type him up later. | ||
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Kush> LoneMeow> Chairman Why don't you want to vote kush? You scum dawg? | ||
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On September 23 2013 05:55 Koshi wrote: I never said FT was scum. I said I had no problem lynching him. Then you said: why. Then I said: I expected more. Then you said: elaborate. Then I summed up all his actions in 2 sentences. Then you said I said FT was scum. Then I made this post. So because you expected more you want to lynch him? Do you think he is town or scum, this bull "I never said he's scum, but I'd lynch him" shit isn't working for me. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:07 marvellosity wrote: LoneMeow and/or Stutters, are you around? Sup yo | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:18 marvellosity wrote: Kinda random question, how would you personally say your town and mafia play differs? That's actually a bit tricky as I consider my scum play pretty close to my town play(although to be fair, emulating bad is pretty easy). This is kinda abstract but in Basterd, for example, the biggest tell I caught myself doing was the sincerity of my busses while my cases on other people were outright bad. However because I'm so often wrong this only works if I've been bussing and my teammates flipped already. Outside of that, I'd say the way my failed promises pan out and their sincerity. I know I won't get lynched over stupid shit when I'm town, but when I'm scum I don't have that same feeling. Am I following through only when I'm close to being lynched? I'm scum in that case. Note this isn't always the case as sometimes I am honestly really busy. The other one I've noticed about myself it's that I had a habit of reading my QT, establishing a plan then posting immediately after my partner comes back to call them out. Do those make sense? I'd say those are the major three, but it's kinda hard to put it into words lol | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote: Thanks Stutters. I can't even explain why I asked you that very well, but yeah. Thanks anyway haha. Given the Ray/LM interactions, what does that do to your read on both of them? Basically doesn't change my opinion of LM, but I'd say Ray looks a lot better from it Not saying it's impossible they're both mafia, but that interaction doesn't feel staged. | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:12 marvellosity wrote: Yeah. Why did you go to bed at the end of Day 1 with a total peace-out type vote and post, 3 hours after your previous post in the thread, addressing absolutely nothing that occurred? I had already addressed who I wanted to see lynched, had to go to bed and since kush wasn't an option so I voted who was the next best option in my opinion. | ||
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On September 25 2013 00:28 marvellosity wrote: like, you came back to the thread 3 hours after your previous post, and you really felt no compulsion to comment on anything, but to just drop a vote and leave? I know this is shitty for the game, but I've been sick and was watching a movie with my girlfriend. After talking with you earlier I was done with mafia for the day. The only reason I came back was because I didn't want to get modkilled because I can still establIsh I'm town when I have time to play. | ||
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 M beating a  DeaD horse since no one else sees it but Seriously, I don't get  How anyone thinks he's town. If I was a vig, he'd be priority one. Can someone explain what I'M missing? I'dLoneMeow I' M still leaning scum on. He doesn't do anything at all except pick token reasons for accusing people (Mocsta for a Ninja vote, but doesn't follow up. Pandain as a pressure vote, then what really stands out is How he votes Umasi for doing a pressure vote). Now, what I see a most scummy about this isn't his targets themselves (Which I can see a town New player doing this) but a Complete lack of any interest in seeing his targets flip. The only thing that makes me not 100% scum on him is the potential he's just overwhelmed, but in that case, he's made no effort to explain that and there is no justifiable reason for his I have a lot more, but I'm throwing up intermittently and really tired, so I'm taking a nap before I type it up | ||
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On September 26 2013 20:26 ObviousOne wrote: negative is bad, it's like football, not golf they are OObjectivepoints I Just woke up. So if your points meant anything of value, wouldn't that mean your top scum read would be VE/CC/geript? Giving it points seems kinda like a waste of time | ||
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Anyway, now that I've caught up. wtf at last night. | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:12 yamato77 wrote: If they are both mafia, it doesn't matter which one we kill first. And if Ceph happens to be town, Moc is probably just being his terrible self where he gets crazy ideas. | ||
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Completely seriously, knowing that 1) I suck in big games and 2) I was sick as shit and didn't want to play while I was curled up in bed, what about my play is scummy? Also, why not push my lynch then? Like everyone is saying I'm probably scum, but no one is pushing me. It doesn't make sense. | ||
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Iirc: FT was my partner in Titanic, and I didn't need to defend him. Why would I do it now? If we were partners I'd let him roll on his own, or fabricate a confrontation as that is easy for me to do as scum. 2) I feel I explained why it was scummy. I can elaborate if you don't agree, and I think he still deserves to be lynched. 3) I've been sick and haven't cared to play. If I'm going to get Vig'd I'd rather it be n1 than later when my death honestly affects the game. 4) I haven't scum-hunted, I'll be the first to admit it. What "agenda" am I pushing except that I want to live, which I want to do as either alignment because surviving helps town lynch other people and keys me live in the cases I roll scum. What about that actually makes me scum? | ||
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Fun facts: Moc fake claimed to lynch a claimed doctor over scum., ensuring at least one night of extra KP while wasting a lynch. I have been a constant scum read of Moc's yet he wants to lynch VE because he's a better player/hasn't done shit? I don't buy it. | ||
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First, my apologies to everyone. for my activity. It's a combination of a couple things. Aperture Ep 2 was very overwhelming with the quantity of posting as well as the many sub events to keep track of in the game. So I figured I'd give a vanilla a shot to see if that was more manageable for me. Unfortunately with being sick I never got through the first couple days with any sort of analysis other than just keeping up. It really killed my motivation to play when I wanted to read up on multiple people when every filter I popped open was 10-20 pages. Then I was out of town last weekend which made it even worse. Probably not playing another big game for quite a while. That said, let's talk about today's lynch. Mocsta>Kush> anyone else. Since its pretty clear you guys don't agree with that, here's what I see with Iamp/FT. Iamp: His list post is really bad. It comes off to me as him needing to get something out quickly since he replaced someone AFK. I can see that as either alignment so I'd consider it pretty null. What worries me more about it is that despite claiming he "didn't know" about LM'S alignment, as soon as the doc claim happened, Iamp felt he was lying. What's even worse is he called Ceph scum for always catching up, but it seemed like he wasn't really considering him scum post claim. His change of stance on Geript came off town. He was a completely reasonable vig shot and if he is scum there is much less incentive for asking not to vig him compared to hoping for a free kill from a vig. His next post on his scum reads is back to scummy. His lack of pushing them at all is what really bugs me about it. My phone is screwing up so I'm going to reboot it, then you'll get my thoughts on FT and conclusion on who I want to lynch. | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:08 Pandain wrote: Stutters what do you think about my posts indicating that Iamp is probably town? What do you think about decondou? You are clearly reading thread, why are you acting like you have no idea what's going on. Who do you think is town and scum besides iampt? We only need two more votes for a decondou lynch. I'll address all this after I finish typing up FT. | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:15 kitaman27 wrote: You do realize that kush was replaced 2 days ago right? Does your scum read carry over to myself? I did not actually lol. Gut from what I've read today, no. I'll look into it later, not important at the moment. | ||
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I don't like his list of vig targets considering he just said that creating a list let's scum know who to avoid. I'm null on it though because his list is so vague that it doesn't tell scum anything they wouldn't know. His case on Za didn't impress me and Marv's point is something I agree with. His next read is on Koshi but what bothers me is when he mentions Koshi, it's that he THOUGHT Koshi was scum, not that he thinks he's scum. He was apathetic about Koshi while saying apathy is a scum tell. I don't buy that. I'm not going to pick apart his individual cases because the issues would just be rehashed , but I really don't like his dropping a case then not actually trying to get them lynched. I'm in a rush, so to wrap this up, FT lacks any real conviction except trying to avoid himself.getting lynched. That said my preference is iamp. there is enough in FTs filter to make me doubt it, where there is only one thing I'm unsure of with iamp. | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:26 Pandain wrote: I have to go practice for a university club, afterwards I will return. Hopefully others will see my points, otherwise I'm going to vote either FT or stutters since Stutters just gave an awful re-entrance post. Will be back later and follow on my phone. Care to explain or you just flinging shit? | ||
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Also going to look into Kita some more, but I'll have more time to really do that tomorrow while my car is at the shop. | ||
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On October 03 2013 00:35 deconduo wrote: I don't understand all the hate. - I wasn't going to be lynched whether I was around or not. - Iamp was getting lynched anyway, regardless of my vote. Even if I had voted for stutters it wouldn't have been enough. - I only showed up at the deadline to vote so I wouldn't be modkilled and lose the game for us. Look at it from the town not up for lunch yesterday. They don't know iamp/you/I are town. Wagons are forming on us and you're nowhere to be found. If you are here it goes one of two ways: 1. You establish some towniness, and people aren't wasting time on you. Iamp or myself probably still get mislynched but all the discussion wasted(if you're town) on you gets directed towards us or a possible other lynch. 2. You're scum and say something stupid, get lynched and we have a shot at winning this game. By not being here, you made the safest scum play possible, without providing anything of merit to town to offset this. It doesn't matter if you're confirmed scum if the game ends tonight before we have a chance to lynch you. Second point: if you're here earlier, maybe I get lynched instead of Iamp. I know that puts us in the exact same position, but the other townies don't. To me, this is null, but to them | ||
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but to them your vote could have helped get the wagon rolling on me before iamp, which would have drastically increased the odds I got lynched. Third point: scum would say the exact same thing, so that's null as shit. Now, since the thread is so dead I'm not going to be checking more than like once an hour, but here are my thoughts of we survive the night. We obviously have a vig or medic orwe would have been endgamed. That means they're playing dodge the medic tonight and scum went all in on this yesterday not knowing we had an out. Decon is obviously scum, he might as well have claimed in thread. Scum went all in on this so I would treat everyone who voted Decon as town except Pandain. As for the people on my wagon, CC and Sent both should know me well enough that I'm notorious lynchbait. With Sent's other play this game, he's scum.CC I'll have to check into when I have time. Pandain is also scum. His positioning post lynch is so unnatural. He knew how iamp was going to flip and immediately started jockeying for positioning in case the game doesn't end. The other two are on lamps wagon or Mr CC. I'd expect one of them to be a vet who is experienced with me, yet has been pushing me for anything more than I policy lynch(Mocsta and Rayn come to mind, they both saw me play well in Basterd IIRC and should know my activity isn't alignment indicative at all). I expect everyone to disregard this since I'm not confirmed town, but I'm a likely shot if they're playing dodge the medic. If I flip, please listen to this. My money is on Mocsta because it fits perfectly with his reckless play this game. TLDR: Decon, Pandain, Sent are scum. Mocsta probably is, if not Rayn is. Not sure on fifth yet. | ||
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On October 03 2013 03:29 Pandain wrote: What are you trying to accomplish with that post Stutters To illustrate his clearly not town mindset regarding yesterday. | ||
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Yes it is based on assumptions, however as far as I'm concerned he is confirmed scum from how he handled the iamp lynch and there is no reason he needed to make a move unless he was the essential member of the scum team for their endgame. That said if I can't get traction on this, Decon is my next choice because there is the possibility he is the RBer since his medic claim was out of necessity, so he wouldn't have a choice but to take that risk. | ||
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Kita, what do you think about Pandain? | ||
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On October 05 2013 02:09 Koshi wrote: See. I would expect rayn to make posts like this. Spread out in many post obviously. But instead rayn is all like: "GUIS WE NEED CC NOAAAAAWWWWWW. That's exactly why I've buddied him both games I've played as scum. When we're both town, our thought process is pretty similar. With Mocsta being town I've got Rayn on my scum list and that certainly doesn't help. That said, keep in mind that meta isn't incredibly reliable due to the fucked up nature of this game, I wouldn't base a scum read on that alone. | ||
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On October 05 2013 08:19 Mocsta wrote: This is quite an about-turn. Where you not purporting i was scum yesterday. Deconduo then Stutters. That was before you said you're really a medic. And I can totally see you claiming medic then not then actually being medic and either way I'd believe you over Decon. Don't see what the issue is. | ||
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Did you read this game then? | ||
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