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When I play forum mafia I want to be able to commit to it, but real life needs attention as well. Hopefully in for some other game soon enough! | ||
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/in Let's get this shiz started. | ||
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I'm going to be busy during early next week (the next few days), but I will try to be actively on for a few hours at least so that you can get a proper read on me, and that I'm able to pressure some scum properly. (This is what I get for doing irl stuffs and playing too much dota. >.>) | ||
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1) He's appareantly a new player I have no idea of 2) He started martyring which is something I dislike 3) This Ray guy on a quick look doesn't look like he should be killed 4) I have no idea about this FirmTofu guy 5) Some other wagons that were in the last votecount have players that I'm familiar with and am able to read during nightphase | ||
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On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote: Risen is on really hard drugs if he's town. Anyway, Cephiro, unlike Chairman ray, has been around a long time and should definitely know better: This never happens. He does a vote on LoneMeow and then peaces out. very much not what the bolded suggests. And, unlike Ray, this happened within a considerably shorter timespan Here's some kind of explanation for it: I don't buy this at all. He's pissed at the situation, except he's been too busy to play the game because he's been playing too much dota? How pissed can you be at the situation when you've basically stuck your middle finger up at the game already? It feels really unnatural. I think Cephiro has a pretty decent chance of being mafia. As I mentioned even at pre-game, I would be very busy at least during the first few cycles of the game. I really wanted to participate in another large-scale game ( a normal one for a change), but the fact is that I like to contribute but I haven't been able to do that as much as I would have wanted. There has been more activity than I was expecting to be able to handle properly. I'd rather read 50 pages properly and try to catch up than skim through 100 and post some bullshit. I still have multiple tens of pages to read through. Why exactly have I stuck my middle finger up at the game already? Am I that much of a jerk for having a real life, and wanting to play some dota? Yes, I can admit this game has not been my #1 priority. Does that make me scum? No. As scum, there is nothing that I enjoy more than coming up with the most devious plan to bend town over again and again and fuck them in every hole possible without them even knowing I did. Lurking would be very sub-optimal to do that. Anyway, I won't delve further into that but continue catching up instead. Here are some short notices that I have made (I have properly read through up to page 80.) kushm4sta: Terrible play, doesn't give a shit and openly admits it. But constantly pops in every once a while to say something, why? Coagulation: Seems too confident for someone who doesn't contribute at all. [UoN]Sentinel: A lot of useless posts and bad reasoning in general. VayneAuthority: This is more what I'd call giving the middle finger to the game, doing nothing but posting some rp shit? justanothertownie: Seems to be easily swayed in his opinions, the way he posts gives me the feeling that he wants his presence to be acknowledge but not really noticed. I will not be able to catch up the whole thread until deadline, but if I live on I am catching up and being of better use for the town. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I sense a pattern here. Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads? Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum. Good vig shot here ladies and gents. I wanted to give you something to by in the case I am vig shotted. Agreed that it may be not much, but someone may be able to make something out of it. Yes, it is true I haven't been helping you out this game because I've been busy. Do you have any idea of how long it takes to properly read more than 50 pages and analyzing all the communication in it? On September 24 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote: BH has an excuse for not posting a great deal thus far since he wasn't actually IN the game and I ACTUALLY expect him to follow up. Ceph I have no idea whether he will or not. Why do you ask, my dear? Is it simply because I wasn't able to post properly during this first cycle that you don't expect anything from me at all? On September 24 2013 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote: if he IS town, then he's shown that he essentially doesn't give much of a shit despite his recent post and I am not willing to give him that chance, hence wanting him to be shot tonight. This is what I find downright insulting, and I'm not sure if I'm more sad or furious right now. Do you expect everyone to live some fucking 24/7 holiday life where they can always have their mafia games at #1 priority? If I didn't give a shit, why would I be posting and reading through the countless pages I still have to waddle through at fucking 4:30 AM? At least I wasn't voting to kill our parity cop regardless of my activity. -_- In any case, I firmly vouch for vigs not shooting me tonight. Why? Because I am an incredibly good townie when I have time to post. I interact a lot, I pressure my scumreads hard, and everyone can certainly get a good read on me. In pretty much every game where I have rolled town I have been able to establish my town-ness to others properly, in a way or another. (Well, admittingly I do that fairly well when I roll scum too.) If you decide to shoot me tonight, you won't just lose a potentially great townie, but you won't be gaining any information. Me flipping town doesn't really give anything to go by, as I haven't been able to interact with others yet. Shoot someone that you think is scum, someone that will give us a lot of information from the flip even if they end up flipping town. If you genuinely think I am the best shot for tonight, then do it. I trust in our vigs to understand that is not the case. And back to catching up. | ||
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On September 24 2013 11:39 kushm4sta wrote: @panda why is scum kp 3? On July 29 2013 05:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Town players remaining=24 Scum Players remaining=6 Scum KP=3 (#of scum/2 rounded up I hope you're joking.... | ||
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kushm4sta: There is just no way this guy is town. For someone posting as much as he is, the amount of content is way too small. He's basically just posting "Hey guys, I really don't care." And yet some people somehow consider him town? He has one post that I actually find above the decent line. Barely. He keeps calling several people town, many for no reasons whatsoever. He mentions very few people he is suspicious of, and at most says "lynch pls", follows up with a vote a few hours later that has no effect on the game due to his non-committal. Even when Coag was calling his vig shot, he was basically saying "yea go for it sure", when he earlier would have been ready to lynch Coag. justanothertownie: Comments on pretty much everything possible, and ends up with the conclusion "null/not alignment-indicative" almost every single time. Asks several unrelevant questions, where he offers his "maybe he would do it for reason x, or maybe he wouldn't for reason y theories", again taking no stance. Later on his posts start sounding better on the general level, but they still aren't working towards a goal. His reasons for suspecting someone are posted by others (Marv's post on Mocsta, which follows up shortly with this.), and he can't find anything suspicious about a player with as much content as Mocsta on his own? He isn't taking a firm stance here, but the thing is that he doesn't even want to. He's fine with sheeping along in the thread and looking like he has opinions about stuff. He also brings this up a lot: On September 25 2013 04:25 justanothertownie wrote: Apart from that - I'm getting tired of saying this but if you want me to contribute so you can read me ask me stuff... I am currently struggling to find useful things to say. I will be here for several hours reading the thread and occasionally a filter. Reminding people that you're openly ready to answer questions is not bad. The thing is, it's the only way he wants to contribute. There is easily lots of content available by the point in the game he says this, and many possible players to look at. But he doesn't want to take firm opinions on anything. It's like he's trying to avoid angering anyone in the game to avoid being targeted. On September 25 2013 08:49 justanothertownie wrote: No, I didn't miss the case on Mattchew I read it and thought about it quite a bit. I just didn't have anything to say about it (nothing to add to the discussion). The logic is solid. I can't comment on the meta argument because I don't know his meta. Overall I could vote him if he is still the main wagon at the end of Day2 and hasn't defended himself properly by then. Right now he did nothing like that and the people voting for him are mostly town in my book. Another fine recent quote that is as fluffy as is humanly possible. This way of posting gives him the possibility of choosing whichever option is more convinient later on. This slowly ascends from having him red in his spreadsheet since his townreads are voting for him into a vote. Anyone reading his filter can see the ambigious nature of the posts, and it has given him too much of a free pass so far. Someone who wants to buddy, be afraid of taking an own stance to things, and wanting to buddy everyone just simply cannot be town. That's for the two easy ones. The more complicated cases are coming a bit later, I am still working on them. Should be able to put them out with enough time for people to read them before the deadline. | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:28 justanothertownie wrote: Cephiro did you notice how kush asked for a replacement? I have seen some posts of his that juggle with the possibility but I have not seen him ask for one. If he is going to replaced, it may be a better idea to wait for the replacement to step in. However, I still think his play so far says more than enough. | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:42 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I guess you must be happy about this then: ##vote Cephiro I can't believe you come into the thread after such a long time and the best you have got is this. You didn't see a single thing in this thread being scummier than me not taking hard stances? Really? Yay, an OMGUS vote. Look how much I care. I have still stuff coming up, but that doesn't mean the case on you is worth any less. There are many scummy things in thread, and you're ranking very highly on the list of scummy things. You're not even denying any of the accusations made against you. You're just like "Yes, that is indeed the case. You must be scum for pointing that out." ... Really? | ||
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On September 26 2013 05:55 justanothertownie wrote: Partly. He is scum for doing nothing and choosing me as his target when there are much scummier possibilities. I have already told I haven't had as much time to contribute towards the game as usually, I'm not going to bring it up again. If there are much scummier possibilities, could you tell me your opinion on 2-3 people other than me for example (since I heard your amazing reasoning on me already)? And give reasoning of you own instead of quoting someone and saying "I kinda agree with this." Ok? | ||
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@VE: What are your main reasons for thinking rayn is town? | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:11 justanothertownie wrote: This game is not about reasoning of my own. It's a nice bonus but primarily it is about finding scum and if there are good arguments by other people I don't necessarily need to find more to think someone is scum. I will come back to this. A recent example is this btw.: Okay, I agree that it's not all about reasoning of one's own. But do you not agree something is wrong if a person constantly agrees with others and doesn't provide any input of his own? It gives me 2 options: 1) You agree/trust people way too easily for whatever reason, which is not good in a game of mafia. 2) You purposefully buddy people to try and avoid being targeted. I saw the small back-and-forth of yours with rayn, but I still think the way the conversation ends leaves a little too much open. What do you think about VE's play currently for example? | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:15 marvellosity wrote: I've already shone. Ceph is singularly unimpressive still. I'm curious given his choice of 2 mafia reads that he doesn't even touch upon the fact that one would be bussing the other. Because I don't find it weird at all for mafia to be bussing each other? I'd find it more weird in a game of this size that if scum didn't buss each other. Also, I'm not in this game to impress you or anyone else whatsoever. I'm trying to catch scum to the best extent I can. | ||
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On September 26 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote: Like, there's some kinda circle with FT/Cephiro/LM Firm didn't have it massively in for LoneMeow, included him on a list of useless people to vigi, which is fair enough. Cephiro is where it gets interesting - at the end of Day 1 Cephiro specifically avoids voting FT because "i don't know him" and votes for LM with "i don't know him" - one thing to note is that so late LM had no chance of getting lynched. As I already said earlier, I didn't have very good reasoning for my day 1 vote due to the deadline mess-up. I was forced to choose in only a few minutes without having read even close to all of the thread. Bad reasoning, yes, but the best I could offer at that moment. Would you have preferred no reasoning at all? At least I put an effort into trying to make my actions and play as see-through as possible. Do you not agree it is better for town to be able to get further insight into the reasons behind someones actions, rather than having to do a lynch that gives no information whatever the flip, or use a vig shot to kill someone who could even be a blue in a worst case scenario? On September 26 2013 06:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Cephiro played really actively at lylo in Aperture. Well he didn't know it was lylo but it was. He trolled most of D1 but really picked up his town play later on D2 and so forth. Hi cephiro, you're about to get lynched what say you? I say I don't troll when I play mafia.. but indeed it usually takes me a while to convince people that I'm town when I'm town. I'm a little annoyed that for having played in games where I have been able to be more active, I now get portrayed as scum since I haven't been able to post as much. If I do get lynched today, then the remaining townies really need to take a look at who are pushing the lynches and think more instead of just agreeing. I don't think I've read a single game where all the active "leaders" would have been town, and I believe that is not the case now either. In any case, I will concentrate on re-reading some filters more currently, I may not respond in a while. I will be around and posting more in ~2 hours at latest. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:19 ObviousOne wrote: Holy shit massive difference in thread presence for Ceph between this game and last, and it's not just filter length. His scum reads are literally the easiest things in the world for either alignment. Not seeing an attempt to prove he's town. I see questions but not a lot of accusations. Was going to mention his use of color but his filter in this game isn't engaged enough for him to really have discussed his scum reads at length and to beg us to lynch / kill them. The engagement is the biggest thing for me. It's harder to post when mafia and I know that's a tell very specific to me but I can't be the only one with it. Fuck. Is there a round-up of suspicions on Cephiro outside of what has been recently discussed? Does he ever say anyone is TOWN in this game? I don't see that, either. If you'd read the cases properly, you'd see there are actually way more accusations rather than questions. So why is providing the two cases I have completed bad, just because they are "easy" targets? I think it's better to post the reads you are more certain on rather than try to sell everyone on a case you're unsure of yourself. My filter isn't "engaged" enough because of the lack of time. Missing out on pretty much all of D1, N1, and the first half of D2 doesn't leave much time to engage. And still I'm here using that time as effectively as I can. I haven't been able to ensure other townies of my townyness in the few posts I've made. Usually with more posts that is also something much easier done, since it gives others content to make reads from. I have several townreads, but in the time I have available, I consider it much more efficient to spend it on telling you about my scumreads and trying to prove others that I am town, rather than trying to tell everyone "Hey, I think player X is town because..". Sure, that also helps to some extent, but it's not as efficient. If you want though, I have no problem in sharing my townreads. Someone did a list post where they pegged everyone as something. As a new player I thought that would be a great way to share your reads on everyone, but with more experience I have learned the contrary, which is why I don't do such. @JAT: At the moment it seems to me the only other realistic candidate is LoneMeow. Of course things could still happen, but I won't delve into the world of those possibilities right now. From my perspective, anyone is a better lynch than I am, since to me I'm confirmed town. (Obviously.) Lone isn't the best lynch available in my opinion, but it's a lynch I can get on. Many players have already pointed out flaws in his play. In my opinion, there are also some redeeming qualities. Trying to look at it from a newbie perspective, it is possible that he's simply trying to provide his reads for the other players but doesn't know how to back them up. (I have not read his newbie games so I don't know what caliber of a player he has been in those.) But it's also a very convinient free out-of-lynch card for claiming newbie, thus being able to vote and blame several players without committing, easily flip-flopping from a target to another. I'd much rather see kush lynched, but I can get on a LM lynch as well. | ||
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