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I think this is my first TL mafia of 2013, glad to be back! | ||
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On August 11 2013 15:44 AxleGreaser wrote: sorry my bad for the lack of clarity. kush is currently player 6 and 11 in the signups. (hence doppleganger?) As he(kush) is /in twice.... So players have to lynch or shoot him twice to eliminate both of him? It was just being silly. I'd be all for that just to see kush have an argument with himself. | ||
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On August 13 2013 04:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Why can't you see that when he occupies just the one slot? Its one of his trademarks. Same way 2v2 has many more matchups than 1v1 does. Makes things very diverse. | ||
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Microsoft Clippy wrote: It looks like you're trying to fill a mafia game. Would you like to: • /in • /obs like a bitch • /pretend you're not obsing but watch anyway (like a bitch) FUCK YOU STUPID FUCKING PAPERCLIP I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE /OUT + Show Spoiler + .../in | ||
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So, 100% of the time? | ||
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On August 13 2013 10:58 Zenatsu wrote: #vote Sentinel he didn't die by the noose! totally scum! I swear the first 3 times I read that as "die by the moose" That's a painful way to go | ||
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On August 20 2013 01:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm staying in and will freeze with this game. I don't have the mental fortitude to handle a GreYMisT game right now. No offense GreY, your setups just have a tendency to blow minds. Same. I just played Portal 2 and I don't want to lose myself in the world of Aperture Science again. | ||
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On September 17 2013 18:38 Koshi wrote: If we all put some effort in I think we can make this a 500 page game. I think this is a good idea | ||
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On September 17 2013 23:25 kushm4sta wrote: i will spam the shit out of this thread with trolly one liners until we read the 400 page mark. OFC i won't be reading just posting. koshi together we can make this happen. You have my axe. | ||
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On September 18 2013 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I always try to tell myself to try a different style before the game starts, and then I never do. Bound by the shackles of fate etc etc My solution is to join five mafia games simultaneously and let the burden of keeping up force you into insanity, changing your style for you | ||
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On September 18 2013 05:45 iVLosK! wrote: I intend to lynch everyone but me. Everyone. There will be none spared. Gentlemen I think it's in our best interests to lynch this one first. | ||
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On August 16 2013 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am the captain of the already sunken Titanic, 500 pages no prob! Also I hope rayn doesn't out so he can make good on this promise | ||
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On September 18 2013 10:08 iVLosK! wrote: DBZ, I am the ground. Also your fear of sudden explosions may indicate a problem with premature ejaculation. Why don't you just think about baseball like everyone else? Lolwut who thinks about baseball? Who even plays baseball anymore? I think about my SC2 build orders, it's also how I get myself through my workouts. Doing pullups, *grunt* 9 pylon *grunt* scout him *grunt* he's going... 15 hatch... *gruuuuunt* drop forge *hnnnnngh* cannon... what map is this *hnnnnnnnnnnnnngh* let's do... Yeonsu, cmon bitch *grunt* pylon behind third mineral *grunt* cannon *grunt* expand at home *hnnnngh* ragequit, let loose a manly scream of victory not unlike the ones I do when I win a game of SC2 10 pullups done, time to take a break and then simulate a proxygate for my next rep  | ||
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On September 18 2013 11:31 kushm4sta wrote: who even plays sc anymore lol ded gaem is ded gaem Am I allowed to post my MS paint creation if there's a crudely drawn rocket-dick on it? | ||
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On September 18 2013 19:12 DarthPunk wrote: I'm tempted to out. Can't be fucked reading spam of a 30 player game in which people are intentionally spamming. Why be a part of the solution when you can be a part of the problem? | ||
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On September 18 2013 22:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You biddies better get this shit out of your systems now... Quick! We need 300 pages by Sunday so even if MZ mod kills half the crowd there will be enough to hit 500 | ||
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On September 19 2013 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not going to spam, i'll post less when there is a fuckton of players. Works far better for me. Mini's are an exception where i can actually analyze everyone for their behavior/interactions with me. When game drops to like 10 people will you end up posting more? | ||
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On September 19 2013 09:26 iVLosK! wrote: I believe the Lil Wayne song goes Lurk city bitch, lurk lurk city bitch Lurk city bitch, lurk lurk city bitch I thought it was Post shitty, bitch, post post shitty bitch, Post shitty, bitch, post post shitty bitch | ||
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On September 19 2013 11:02 Caller wrote: hurry up and fill this game up with post FTFY | ||
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On September 19 2013 15:49 DarthPunk wrote: I always thought it was a cobbler like a shoe maker. What the fuck kind of food is a cobbler anyway? Stupid Americans... I never heard of it either, go away. | ||
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On September 19 2013 19:38 ObviousOne wrote: Click to see cobbler. Yum. Cherry! Doesn't look too bad, almost like stickier version of rice krispies, with some cherry stuff on top. | ||
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On September 20 2013 00:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Bc's name is actually a literary reference http://www.fraternityofshadows.com/wiki/The_Bloody_Cobbler I was going to be skeptical at the lack of information until I realized who posted it  | ||
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On September 20 2013 09:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Guys there's no way I can start this tonight, I'll try for tomorrow instead. Wait wat I thought we voted for Sunday | ||
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On September 20 2013 09:58 Mattchew wrote: /in if you'll have me Take coagulation's spot  | ||
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On September 20 2013 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: came in here expecting noire pictures. I am dissapoint + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/240/0/e/fanart___noire_neptunia_v_by_kazenokaze-d5cqg3b.png) ![[image loading]](http://lparchive.org/LA-Noire/Images/1-la-noire-banner.jpg) | ||
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On September 21 2013 02:37 Toadesstern wrote: guess that means I have to post more loli noir pics to make everyone smile while waiting! + Show Spoiler + you pervert just clicked this because I said loli, right? Ofc | ||
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I'm going to be gone most of Saturday | ||
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Waiting patiently for role PM | ||
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Like town but SUPER | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:10 Koshi wrote: Only 27 more to go rayn. Pages of filter to break the Titanic record? | ||
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I'm not familiar with Koshi's meta, I can't really say what the hell he's doing. Kush is making more sense than I remember him ever making, I'll keep an eye on that. Aaaaand that's all I got at this point. | ||
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On September 21 2013 22:41 kushm4sta wrote: how am i making sense?? all i remember doing is calling getript town which im probably wrong about anyway You're actually making sense of the thread and telling others to stop spam so everyone can read thread better | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:16 justanothertownie wrote: So, Sentinel didn't do anything until now. It's a bit weird that he spammed so much in pre game and wanted to set up a new page record and now there are almost no posts since the game started but that's all I can say about him. Null. On September 21 2013 09:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Hoo hoo hoo I'm going to be gone most of Saturday I shall post more once I get off work, 4-ish EST. | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:31 justanothertownie wrote: Well time zones are confusing to me but the game started on a friday for you, didn't it? Started just as I went to bed. | ||
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Things I know: People who have not contributed - some might be lurking, others may have forgotten they signed up for this game: gumshoe Chairman Ray Cephiro Xzavier Onegu Zenatsu Risen iamp said he wanted to be replacement, what happened to that? Meapak_Ziphh - should really consider linking the filters in the list of signups. It's hard to bring up a bunch of filters when you have to manually type in the URL. Stutters695 - Stutters, like myself, doesn't like kush in this game. I'm actually curious as to why kush suddenly engages actively in the thread, and I agree with the fact that he's being thread police instead of being productive in the townfinding effort. What I don't like is how hard Stutters is tunneling kush. Every post in his filter at the time of this post is directed at lynching kush, or begging others to join the bandwagon, and nothing else. I would like to see what you think of other players Stutters. Coagulation - still completely fucking useless. Other than his "summary of today", which doesn't contribute anything to scumhunting and doesn't even summarize much, he has nothing. Here are his accusations: On September 22 2013 02:33 Coagulation wrote: That being said pandain and geirpt are both prettt scummy On September 22 2013 04:17 Coagulation wrote: Anyone buying marvs tryhard "taking notes" bullshit? I consider myself a bit of a marv aficionado and hes giving me bad vibes here for sure. I would like to see some good evidence for lynching either pandain or geript. The marv thing isn't really an accusation since he's kinda warming up to him and accusing him with some of the least imposing language possible. So three accusations with zero bite, plus a summary, means he might as well have been lurking. Actually it's worse because when you lurk you may have an excuse, whether legit or not. Coag's been reading and posting and still has nothing to say. ##Vote Coagulation | ||
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I'd like to see them either contribute or flip (preferably the first one, a pressured lurker scum is easier to spot) | ||
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On September 22 2013 07:59 marvellosity wrote: I do wish people wouldn't randomly go after coag btw. Makes it hard to get a read on people doing so. Why go after coag when people KNOW he's going to be at least some form of useless, especially on Day 1? Are the people pursuing him really able to say "this is NOT town coag on day 1"? If not, why is the vote on coag, or why is coag on the shit-list other than for being useless? I have no knowledge of Coag's meta. | ||
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On September 22 2013 08:27 Koshi wrote: Ofc not. I just needed 3-4 smart people to vote VA. Next time VA posted he would have broken characer as town and posted reads or he would claim scum. But better to do nothing with votes atm it seems. wat | ||
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On September 22 2013 08:37 Pandain wrote: It's not just Sentinel voting Coag which I'm suspicious of, though I think it is convieniant. He actually hasn't done anything either, suprisingly as I look back. He talked about Stutters but ended with "I would like to see more." Only thing he did was say Coag was bad. Sentinel you suspicious of anyone else? What are your thoughts? How is life? I am suspicious of Stutters. Failing a Coag vote my next victim is Stutters. Fix mattchew's filter MZ, there's a space in the URL I'm always completely clueless D1. If I'm going to spam up the thread, I at least have to think up something productive to spam it up with. | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:45 Coagulation wrote: Sentinel you want to swing around on my nutz? I think theres room down there next to ve/marv hop on big guy. Are you still mad about my little joke about kicking you off the list? | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:50 Coagulation wrote: no man. no ones mad about that. I mentioned it on irc and we all had a good laugh and then I sent toad to shoot you in the pecker. Oh he sent me loli, guess it's close enough. I still want to lynch you | ||
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On September 22 2013 09:59 marvellosity wrote: How is that looking at the meta I directed you to going, Sentinel? Read it. Alright you win. ##unvote vote: Stutters695 | ||
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I'm switching from Stutters to him because at least with Umasi, if he does end up flipping red then his filter becomes more useful than Stutters who just pushed kush all day. Since apparently pressuring him isn't working and he's lurking harder than ever. We could vig stutters though. I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red. But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Umasi Otherwise, out of the filter dives I want to say something about WoS but I can't quite put my finger on it. Perhaps I'll say something about him and also Koshi when I get back. | ||
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This was the last post in the thread when I started typing. | ||
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On September 23 2013 03:02 Umasi wrote: thank god your thoughts on me basically are 'if he's red, man we have some things to go on' and 'he hasn't talked about important things!' Lynching for information is something I'm a firm disbeliever of, I think it's frequently a scum tool Well let's see here. Right now there's primarily 3 people I believe are scum - yourself, Stutters, and yamato. Stutters looked more scummy but all he did was tunnel kush all day. I couldn't pressure him to reveal more information so I switched to another scummy target - you. Tunneling kush doesn't leave much to probable interpretation - you switching off of your read and then trying to blend in not only raises alarms, but if you flipped red it would open up clues to finding the other 5 scum. When I'm choosing someone on my scumlist to lynch, I'd rather lynch the one whose posting can help me and the rest of the town discern who the other 5 scums are. Lynching coag would have done nothing to find other scum in this manner, but it was my only read at the time. (It's actually interesting to note that your vote on LM and my vote on Stutters are essentially identical. I don't think you're scum because of the unvote, I think you're scum because of the way you worded your reasoning and also the fact that you then proceeded to do nothing. I unvoted Stutters after I proceeded to do nothing.) fwiw, I told you guys I'd respond to questions you had for me (and the only one I've seen is mocsta's) mocsta kinda grouped us together as non-contributing-flying-under-the-radar dudes iirc, so you suddenly voting me with THAT shit reasoning is why I'm voting you, because it feels you're like 'quick target the other dude who's in a similar position to me' also there's a vote thread, use it ##vote sentinel Could've sworn I posted in there, but no matter. I'll get to that. On September 23 2013 03:24 Umasi wrote: Well, let's work through this a bit I'm town, so when I read the thread and see someone who (according to mocsta (who I've kinda considered an influential townie)) occupies a similar position within the thread as me is immediately voting me for that reason, when he's done exactly the same thing? Why IS he voting me instead of someone else in the thread? Specifically, why did he choose me to vote gah I'm not phrasing this very well. basically why am I scummier to him than other people in the thread is my question. also, how is this similar to me unvoting lonemeow, that it's bad play or that it's scum? regardless, I don't think I twisted what he said, I tried to read into what he said. I'm curious as to why you left all that stuff in. We're not writing in pen here, phrase your question in whatever way you like and then post it. You can clarify it, but a good chunk of that post is redundant. On September 23 2013 04:06 Koshi wrote: Sentinel overall disappointing. Expected more. Can this just be my meta? So given that Umasi at this point has no other strong lynch targets, I'm going to chalk that one up to a reactionary vote. Then LoneMeow reactionaries Umasi for the lulz, and then himself, which means I'm really interested in what's going on with him. For now, I'm going with my third scumread which also promises results, since I feel like I couldn't get Umasi lynched no matter how hard I tried - yamato77. ##Unvote ##Vote: yamato77 Gotta remember to put this one in the voting thread for voting. | ||
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On September 23 2013 05:20 Stutters695 wrote: Seriously guys, can anyone give me a reason to not vote kush? I have no problem with you voting kush, I have a problem with you not having any inkling of other scum besides him. Are you implying the other 5 are all in the lurker crowd? | ||
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On September 23 2013 05:28 Stutters695 wrote: ITT reading is hard Kush> LoneMeow> Chairman Why don't you want to vote kush? You scum dawg? I'm not completely sure kush is scum. I'm suspicious of him but right now he's not in my scope of vision. | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:40 ObviousOne wrote: I'm basically rallying for Sentinel btw. He played more effectively when he was in 4 games at a time during Smurf. 5* In which game was that? Smurf? I posted the bare minimum to keep up and piggybacked on other people's reads | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:45 ObviousOne wrote: And yet you looked town! I can't say that here. That's like job #1, right? Bullshit I looked town. I tunneled Eccleston, showed up only when someone knew I was missing, tried my hardest not to look suspicious, and the only reason I stayed alive as long as I did was because I defended myself decently well and nobody could pin anything on me. That's also what I did in Roulette which I played concurrently IIRC, with Vayne swapped in for Eccleston | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:52 ObviousOne wrote: Lol fuck Maybe you looked town because I knew you were town (as PT2.0). Let me get to my computer, do some reading. If not you, then who? Is it you vs Koshi and some Chairman Ray campaigners? Well there's yamato but that's out of the question for you, right? And then there's LoneMeow bandwagon, but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment. | ||
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On September 23 2013 06:56 yamato77 wrote: If you seriously think I am mafia, you need to explain yourself better than you have so far. What I don't understand is how you easily rule out the possibility that Ray does truly have no idea what's going on, and the difficulty with coming up with arguments other than sheeping the easiest lynch is a symptom of that problem. Yes, it would be a scumread in a more experienced player, but looking at Ray's profile history he's come out of a newbie game recently. I don't get why you don't pursue your other reads more. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:11 yamato77 wrote: I think if you read his posts, he has a clear understanding of what's happening in the game. I just read his entire filter and he looks exactly like a guy who's playing his second (second? can't be more than fourth since he was previously in a newbie, someone confirm this) game. I don't see what would make him scummy. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:13 ObviousOne wrote: You're calling Umasi scum for something you are doing yourself, is what I'm implying, if my reading comprehension is working. Umasi pushed a LM lynch then got off when he couldn't find anything to push him with. I was never on the LM wagon to start with. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:15 ObviousOne wrote: Sent what's your case on Yamato? I see the reasoning as "third scum read" and that was it. On September 22 2013 23:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't like yamato's big post either. He calls DP mafia, rayn scummy, and then quotes Ray's fluffpost and says HE'S THE SCUM. And he's really got nothing else to show, especially afterwards he doesn't rationalize anything. I'm leaning red on him. Umasi seems more red to me but yamato has more to show for further analysis if he flips red. But I'll keep my vote on Umasi for now. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:23 yamato77 wrote: "I think he's noob/bad town" is a bad excuse for ignoring what is ultimately quite scummy play. Explain how his fluff posts and weak scumreads are more likely to come from noob town than noob scum. The latter is a real option, mind you, and the one that I tend to gravitate toward. I don't think it's more likely to come from noob town, I'm saying he's neither town nor scum based on his current posting. You're not just gravitating towards the scum option, you're flat out blocking all other avenues by saying Ray's the most probable scum, and thus voting for him. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:23 ObviousOne wrote: This coffee still hasn't hit my brain so you can confirm/deny this so I can have it straight: Umasi: Intent to vote LM --> no support --> drops it Sentinel: Intent to vote LM --> LM not here to defend himself --> drops it I am drawing this parallel, but I am also noting that you called Umasi scum for it. So does that QED you are scum? Umasi DID vote for LM. Here is my statements on LM: which means I'm really interested in what's going on with him. but I want to see LM defend himself/post reads before making judgment. What I'm saying is that LM isn't scummy enough for my vote. He was, obviously, for Umasi because he voted for him. | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:06 Koshi wrote: marv, you work so slow. I need to know who to vote for so I can go to bed. LoneMeow is still voting for himself. The guy must be depressed that he can't solve the game D1 or something. Chairman Ray. Could vote him. But would be kinda cruel if he gets misslynched D1 twice in a row lol. Mocsta: could vote. I have this urge to follow VA. Had it last time as well. Dnu what that is all about. FT, Sentinel: meh. Voting 0-posters is bad btw. Unless you got townreads on everybody it is only 1/5 scum. Also, there are plenty replacements. Good ones as well. I like the replacements way more than the people that will be replaced. On average. A lot. Why 1/5 specifically? | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:22 Koshi wrote: 30 peepz, 6 scum, 1/5 scum, 5 lurkers, 1 scum. I think I should clarify - why would there only be one scum among the 5 lurkers? Assuming you don't have townreads on everybody, there could still be multiple scum in the lurker section, or none at all. | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:29 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm catching up - I'm watching WWZ with the wife. How convenient, I'm watching it with my dad right now | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:46 yamato77 wrote: If sentinel's vote stays on me, I will gladly switch to him and murder him as well. Murdered is something I don't intend on ##unvote | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Deadline is in approximately 30 minutes OP said deadline was at 10 PST? | ||
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Better than yamato I guess. ##Vote: Chairman Ray | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:44 WaveofShadow wrote: I was referring to Stutters by bad fucking play with his last post. Oh whoops. Congrats on arbiter | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:48 Chairman Ray wrote: I actually did want to follow up on it, but given that he's not falling for the easy lynch train on me, the little time I have is focused on better targets. Who would these better targets be? | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:55 Mocsta wrote: hmm i thougth sentinel joined the lynch. but his vote isnt there .. its on stutters maybei was confused. Wait what? I'm pretty sure I voted for ray... | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:57 Chairman Ray wrote: Is there anything else I should address? I might have missed a bunch. reads pls | ||
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On September 23 2013 10:57 Umasi wrote: sentinel vote for justice! do it do it do it Uhh which one is justice again? I have you and Stutters as my remaining two original scumreads, are you saying I should go back on Stutters? | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Cephiro votes Lonemeow wtf Why are there so many people on him as throwaways? I think that in itself might give some discussion to LM's alignment. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Is it deadline? Do we need to stop talking? This. I want to go take a shower already. | ||
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On September 23 2013 18:29 Mocsta wrote: sentinel is a great vig shot to that guy went from policy lynching ?kush to policy lynching umasi. useless I never even voted for kush and my vote on Umasi wasn't policy at all. If you're going to accuse me, at least do your homework. Anyways, I'll catch up on thread when I get home | ||
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So this whole thing starts with yamato calling me scum and then sending out this: On September 23 2013 21:47 yamato77 wrote: RE: Sentinel His read on Ray goes from this: To this, 2 hours later: To this, yet one more hour later: With basically nothing in between except filler posts. Like I said, he is mafia. So what happened in those two hours was a realization - during my 07:27 post, I was going off of solely Chairman's current filter in the game, a constricted play that mirrors the attitude I had during my own first game, Hammer Mini. My mentality was this: He wanted to do something without attracting attention. Yes that's a scum tell under normal conditions, but as someone in his You can argue that I'm biased towards townie while yamato is biased towards scum, so we just saw both sides of a different coin. This is also why I voted for him, because I believed that tunneling someone who I believed (correctly, as we later saw) to be town, while having posted several other good reads, is scumworthy - yamato, being biased towards scumreads, was pushing town players and twisting their cases to look scummy. Then marv comes along and posts this three minutes later: On September 23 2013 07:30 marvellosity wrote: Good grief, Ray's posts looked constructed in his newbie game. That's kinda disappointing. Now this was the point where I started to question my position on Chairman. I actually ended up discarding my read on Coagulation once I became aware of his meta (I believe marv pointed that one out too), and so I checked out Ray's filter from his other game, Newbie Mafia XLVII. Much more relaxed and intelligent posting. He pushes a case on LordVelocity which was only stopped by his mislynch. From what I'm able to gather, since I've only read his filter and not the rest of the game, Ray seems to be stirring up discussion, poking at what he believes to be a scumslip and also participating in a discussion pertaining to Umasi, something unrelated to his defense or his immediate target. His play contracted in style and in Newbie he showed to be capable of doing things (to some extent) that a good townie should - discussing, clarifying, and bringing out things he finds scummy so that others defended them. I actually skimmed Ver's analysis of XXX and remember something in the back of my mind about new blues being very secretive so they don't accidentally get shot or mislynched. I didn't remember it well enough to consider it, but did once I saw Ray flip blue. But at this point I was unaware, so I was beginning to agree with yamato - this guy might have been red after all. Koshi you never answered my question about the 1/5 lurkers So here's my mentality at this point, right? On September 23 2013 09:39 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: After reviewing Chairman's filter, I have to agree that something is up here. Maybe a little south of neutral in my eyes. Might it be a product of coaching in the newbie game and nothing in this one? At this point I was also slated to die, but with 3 hours plus I would have some time to contribute to the scumhunt and either push my reads or prolong my own. I was off of yamato, so if I wanted to push, I'd need some time. Then this happened: And this is where I shifted into panic mode. I didn't have 3 hours, I had 30 minutes, and the votecount said I was going to die. I'd rather find a red player to lynch than get mislynched myself. So what do I do? I can't construct a persuasive case in 30 minutes, so might as well sheep someone who I think is scum. Cue me convincing myself through rereads of Chairman's filter that he's playing unusually restrictive, and with my previous defense of him ruled out with the Newbie filter, he must be red. (##Vote Chairman Ray) Then he flips blue, I remember Ver's post, and the rest is history. On September 23 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote: And also, Sentinel has been added to the shitlist. It's not so much that he changed his mind, but the manner is just awful. The same content goes from "nothing looks scummy" to "he is the best chance to flip mafia today" with nothing in between. There's nothing to indicate why the massive change. Ironic, your post inspired me to do it | ||
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On September 24 2013 05:33 Koshi wrote: Sentinel. I simply said that mathematically there is only 1 scum between 5 lurkers unless you have a townread on all the active posters. I think it was as reply to geript saying there must be 2 scum in lurkercity. Good news, I have wifi. Also, I am still alive. Now I understand this rationale: + Show Spoiler + On September 23 2013 09:22 Koshi wrote: 30 peepz, 6 scum, 1/5 scum, 5 lurkers, 1 scum. Just didn't understand the wording. All good. | ||
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On September 24 2013 06:29 Coagulation wrote: dont worry pandain i would def shoot [UoN]Sentinel before you. Why me? | ||
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Also, what do you guys think of Cheesecake lately? He's been under the radar for a while, only showed up once for night 1 to sheep yamato. | ||
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FirmTofu's case on Zaragon seems to be more concerned about saving his own ass - he even mentions it in the opening - which makes his case look more motivated to post some sort of read for the sake of posting reads. The parenthetical aside part of his argument, like marv before me mentioned, is actually mistaken by itself. So there goes the integrity of that read. I'm not going to rehash marv's arguments over there, but it ends with FT defending his stance on towns being committed to their reads - marv claims the opposite with towns not being 100% sure who is scum. What is important here is that in FT's mind, townie players need to commit to their reads. I don't know if it was his intention, but this post heavily implied he was one of the players who as town commits to their reads: post On September 24 2013 07:22 FirmTofu wrote: I'm back. All caught up. I'm starting to have reservations about my case on Zaragon :/ brb doing some filter diving. Switches to me. Pandain calls him out on it, with the post asking if Marv convinced FT of his argument. So FT contends that Zaragon is his top read (although it is shit, and he says so) and keeps his vote on it. Bracketing this for a second, here is the interesting bit. Now what his read on me is is all the stuff I've done earlygame. He claims that we were looking for vig targes - were we? I'm pretty sure the beginning of Day 1 we hadn't found anyone to vig yet. Anyways, he brings up my weak Coag vote, my switches onto Stutters and Umasi, and brings up arguments that can be considered somewhat valid. Until he brings up yamato: Later, he switched to Yamato, who is now basically confirmed town barring crazy shenanigans. No real reasoning provided for this vote switch. Just decides Umasi isn't going to gain steam so decides to vote someone else. Final sentence is true. First two are not. I voted for Yamato when he had only two posts of considerable length, and the second one made him look like a scumfuk. I think I even justified the vote earlier in the thread. At this point I thought Chairman Ray was town and yamato was isolating him for an easy lynch - and FirmTofu completely waves away the detailed thought process I laid out on why I switched from my townread on Chairman to being the final nail in his coffin. "Seems sketchy at best. I can vote this guy." That's all the rationale he gives. So in summary, FT's current two reads, say what you will about their targets, are both heavily flawed. His number one read, which he acknowledged had holes in it to Pandain, is still his number one read at the time of this posting. That's incredibly scummy to me - instead of finding the best proof he can, he just latches on whatever reads he can find without regard for their solidity. | ||
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So like I did with Chairman, it's time to hit up the filters. In Newbie 47 he played scum. Seems to be more active, posting reads and making votes - voted for Chairman, small world. In Newbie 46 he was a VT. While less restricted in his posting than this game, he also seems to be much more safe than in 47. The way I see it in my head, 46 had coaches to help out - this game doesn't. So he should be trying to follow the path of the model townie and post reads, but as a green player he is unsure of himself and throws around his vote to pressure people, retracting it when he is happy. In summary I have a slightly green read on LM since his play this game matches his only town game much more closely than his only scum game. | ||
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On September 25 2013 05:31 justanothertownie wrote: So now you think yamato is confirmed town? What made you chance your mind? No I don't. I'm questioning his last post: On September 24 2013 12:22 yamato77 wrote: I'm confirmed town, so what I say actually goes today. We lynch Sentinel. | ||
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On September 25 2013 05:46 iamperfection wrote: you know he is pretty much confirmed town right? Oh this? I missed it my first read, had to finish a school project and woke up to a good 10+ pages of discussion. | ||
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On September 24 2013 13:21 Mattchew wrote: Lol im like conf town mutha truckahs On September 25 2013 00:13 Mattchew wrote: So yamato is town, thats no fun versus On September 25 2013 01:47 Mattchew wrote: I aint the doc Do we have a rationale for this from either Matt, in which case I missed it because Matt doesn't like to quote, or from someone else? Either Matt came out as the doctor or he tripped over himself. | ||
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On September 25 2013 05:56 justanothertownie wrote: Hm, I see no reason not to believe yamato. I had a townread on him even before. You are right though - he could use this "confirmed status" way more actively. Well, looking at the last 3 pages of yamato's filter, ever since he accused me of flipping my case on Chairman, he never responded to my counterargument with further rationale to incriminate me. He hasn't even mentioned my name up until he says "confirmed town, kill sentinel". Interesting to say the least. I need to go check out his filter in more detail later. | ||
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On September 25 2013 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sentinel what did make you change your mind on yamato on D1? I agreed with him, this is when I convinced myself that Chairman was scum and yamato was right. On September 25 2013 05:59 FirmTofu wrote: Hello Sentinel. Good to have you here. I would like to address what you said about my supposed belief that townies need to commit to their reads. I don't hold this belief at all. I think townies generally end up committing to their reads, even to a point of fault. This behavior is not good town play, it's just what ends up happening when someone rolls town, at least in my experience. I, personally, do not usually commit to reads when I am town. If you saw my post regarding my own self-meta, you should be able to get an idea of how I play as town. Back to you. You initially voted Coagulation and then never really talked about him much after that. Is there anything Coagulation did or said that convinced you he wasn't scum? I read the filter that marv told me to read, and his play as town there was pretty much a carbon copy of his play here. So I switched to my other scumread, Stutters. Then later I picked up Umasi, a better scumread at the time, and then yamato. Guess I was wrong about your implication. Like I said, I didn't know if it was your intention, but from your wording it seemed like you would commit to a fault like the townies you speak of. Anyways, my point still stands that you really haven't offered much on Zaragon ever since marv poked holes in your first read. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a bit puzzled. Did you think yamato was town when you voted for CR? Well the post that started all of it had yamato give several scumreads, then vote for Chairman Ray out of all of them. By this point I had an easier time believing Chairman was red rather than green. When I thought CR was townie, scum yamato could have easily isolated and lynched Chairman since he would prove to offer the least resistance. As scum-CR though, why would scum yamato insta-bus his teammate? He offered several good reads and picked one that didn't look too strong. He'd be a lot safer, at least initially, and have the extra man, if he pushed let's say DarthPunk after that big post. But he stayed on Chairman. So if Chairman is scum, like I convinced myself he was, yamato must have been town. Now I'm unsure if yamato was scum or simply misguided, so I'm looking to his more recent activity. | ||
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On September 25 2013 06:12 marvellosity wrote: Hey Firm. Here's a few names Umasi Zaragron (i know you've talked about him before today) justanothertownie kush Who's scummiest out of this lot and why? Do you think there are mafia in this list, if so how many? This is what I got through skimming since I'm catching up and posting on short notice: JAT fluffs like a mofo, Zaragon seems to be shoving all his fluff and I guess consolidating it? Both are generally blending in well and not taking the thread anywhere. FT made a pretty bad case on Zaragon so maybe that's why I'm having trouble seeing the red and green features. But I don't like either one. JAT is consistently doing nothing while Zaragon has disappeared. Maybe slightly redder JAT. Umasi's getting better. He's at least trying to contribute to the thread in a good way now and actively discussing. Kush... I never have any idea wtf kush is doing. With mattchew I've seen him make sense before, kush has pretty much been this way in every game I remember. Including smurf. He's stopped making the modicum of sense he was at the beginning of D1 (the thread police stage), so I have nothing. I'd say out of these four I would go after JAT first. I'm going to go look at Mattchew, I haven't looked at him since I brought up his weird pseudo-doc claim thingy | ||
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On September 25 2013 14:35 Mocsta wrote: Well.. give stutters more time.. there's 6 scum and he's sick. Btw. U want to know why sentinel is confirmed scum? He fucken stated he skimmed vers guide... Seriously.. lol.. talk about over compensation I'm pretty sure he did this as scum in smurf mini as well I was VT in smurf... I skimmed Ver's guide during Doctor Who mafia, aka when I signed up for the 5 games simultaneously. Haven't looked at it since. On September 25 2013 21:35 Mocsta wrote: Filter DIve.. i have a lot of problems with his play including inconsistencies, and i didnt like his explanation stories. also noticed all his scum reads are based on other ppl making accusations first (yet he doesnt sell the story this way) When I posted my read on FirmTofu I explicitly stated Marv was the initial accuser, followed by Pandain, and after that I added in some insight of my own. My Day 1 cases I just pulled what I could from filters. Like I said before, Day 1 has always overwhelmed me and after it passes I can generally get a good grip on the game. Haven't been scum since Redux. | ||
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Cephiro is gone and nothing else interesting really. Good vig target. Especially if he pops up to make another hasty case. Pandain is very interesting. His case on me starts out by listing all my transgressions (for the record I was panicked, but I'm not going to post in an adrenaline rush. 30 minutes is still enough time to compose myself and hammer out something semi intelligent) and then ending by saying I played well D2. Yes it's chronological but it ends up being like yamato's post where he first voted for Chairman - extensively arguing one thing and then voting for another. In this one however, Pandain defends me (later on). Here's why that's important. Pandain, in the last two pages of his filter, has pushed the following scumreads with evidence: Stutters, Cephiro, VE. What do these people all have in common? They're lurkers. On September 26 2013 03:21 Pandain wrote: Yamato since I know your town and I won't have much time to give an analysis, I'll give you this. I think VE is scum. He has been lurking during day two despite being here. Hasn't been sharing opinions only agreeing disagreeing. Votes Matt with the bandwagon then unvotes. You and WoS were both suspicious of VE and commented that he's scum and both of you got shot. I'll post more about it later but that's who I want to get lynched. Also Rayn is feeling really weak to me now. Still think Stutters is scum but I've found better targets. What I need to do is contrast VE with his town/ scum play which I'll do later. He's lynching VE for lurking, and while he does provide a valid point that VE is present, which means he's here but not posting, note that he asks Yamato to do the heavy lifting and provide the analysis. Pandain in general only wants to lynch lurkers, presumably because they either have a hard time delivering their counterargument, or otherwise are in low esteem already by the thread in general. Easy picks. He doesn't want to push a lynch on anybody - the most he gets is a list of people to check, not to lynch. He argues that he does the best he can with his limited time, but he doesn't spend any of it pushing lynches - only saying who is town. This is interesting too. He says he voted marv, although it wasn't because marv was scum, but to generate discussion. i.e. marv wasn't really guilty to begin with, just to generate discussion. On September 22 2013 08:14 Pandain wrote: Voting VA probably best way to get him to contribute. Risen how are you feeling about Sentinel? Same story. So really what we have out of Pandain is a trumpeting case that doesn't actually push a legitimate read, then a quiet period where all he does is announce who he thinks is generally town, and pushing only lurkers. Any other pushes he makes are either rescinded (me) or unexpanded on (FirmTofu). I think I've found someone to vote on for the night. Off to work I go, I'll probably be back t-minus 1 hour or so. ##Vote: Pandain | ||
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On September 26 2013 04:59 Pandain wrote: I don't think I'm actually going to respond to that Sentinel post because it's way too dumb. Splendid rebuttal there | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:27 Pandain wrote: I would rather vote for VE, but basically because LM is better than Ceph. LM isn't contributing at all versus Ceph who is(at least now). Yeah but I thought it was obvious that LM was a useless townie. If I had to pick one of the two I'd do Ceph... although I still like Pandain. On September 26 2013 05:06 Koshi wrote: Sentinel wtf are you even saying? 1) Pandain thought you were scum and made a case on you. 2) Pandain went back on that read and thinks you are town and makes a case on you. 3) Pandain defends you. Are these Pandain reads all town to you? Stutters, Cephiro, VE. I don't give 2 fucks what you think about Pandain his case for a sec, do you think these 3 names are town? Give me %. Then the shit about voting VA (or marv in lesser extend) was fucking brilliant. Also why is it scummy? Koshi I think you misread something. I argued that Panda pushed Stutters/Ceph/VE because they were lurkers. Do I think Ceph is scum? Yeah probably. Doesn't really contribute anything, and he's been defending since he got on. Stutters I'd probably say is red as well. VE I doubt. My point is that someone like Ceph is already disadvantaged because even if hypothetically he's the shittiest townie in the world, everyone still think he's scum, plus all the catching up he has to do. I'm saying Panda is going after easy targets instead of the scummiest ones. Yes Ceph is a great place to start, but surely it doesn't warrant saying half the people are townies with Pandain's alleged limited time. There's shenanigans going on and I don't like them, hence my vote. As for the case on me, he never changes it. The list actually looks like this 1) thinks my D1 play is scum 2) thinks my D1 play is scum but adds that my D2 play was very towny 3) defends me on the basis of my D2 play My D1 play wasn't as lurky as say, Cephiro's, but it was also torn to shreds by what seems like half the people in this game, and wouldn't be hard to reanimate again... then when I started playing solidly, chalk it up to another townread. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:38 iamperfection wrote: marv get back in here or i start posting got spoilers + Show Spoiler + George R. R. Martin dies before writing the 7th book | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:43 Pandain wrote: ahh scum are voting against me Keep telling yourself that. Three guesses to who the one "yes" vote is. | ||
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On September 26 2013 10:50 LoneMeow wrote: Uncertain. Not caught up. All I know is, I am the doctor that saved yamato. Now do you believe me fuckers | ||
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On September 26 2013 19:17 Umasi wrote: if anyone wants to explain if what sentinel did is scummy or not, go for it, since marv's not gonna bother, and I'm just confused. night I think marv laid it out well but here: I said you looked better because you were actively discussing. This was your first post after I posted my case. Before it, what I say is true. After that, you switch back to your old passive style where you contribute next to nothing and continue to do nothing. Please don't use my hasty analysis to justify your actions after it. | ||
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On September 27 2013 03:04 yamato77 wrote: Scum team has ~3 hours before I get home from class and name them all. 20 grokbux says I'm on there | ||
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Also On September 26 2013 23:49 Mocsta wrote: A 1 for 1 trade? Sounds absolutely stupid to me. Really 1 for 4 in the worst case, with one of the four being a doctor. Even if Ceph gets lynched D3, that's still an extra three kills the mafia gets to send in, up to 3 town deaths, and up to 3 less town votes. | ||
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On September 27 2013 10:59 iamperfection wrote: Sent- this is bad http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=45#888 it was just a long excuse to vote coag for no real reason listing lurkers is even worse than lurkers because it a way to look like your contributing . so is this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=85#1699 say absolutely nothing on a major topic while subtly supporting it and then when he votes for him hes not very clear on why he is scum just he has regressed from an earlier game. Also didn't like his response to the claim. He just immediately believes it and i know he had a town read on him but still townies are naturally supicious he dosnt go look he dosnt freak out much just proclaiming ha i was right fuck you guys i don't see the figuring out of alignments near the deadline Hey let's count how many people keep parroting how scummy I am D1. | ||
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I get home about 20 minutes before the lynch. Such is the life of swim practice. Out at 9:00, home at 9:40. Friday is the only exception. I guess I can't offer any substantial proof unless I started screenshotting all my assignments and facebook chat logs, but the reason I wasn't pushing Ceph as hard as I could have was me getting home late and having to do homework On September 27 2013 07:30 iamperfection wrote: conversely Sents reaction troubles me the most because he instantly believed it and didn't even bother to look for reasoning. LM didn't have anything on yamato, but if you can parrot the same read over and over again, so can I: I looked at both his Newbie 46 and Newbie 47 filters. As town in 46 he did nothing and played very restricted-like, only bolstered by coaching. As scum in 47 he actually pushed cases and discussed others in the thread. Yes it's very scummy to not have anything on a player and then claim to have saved them, but I'm arguing that would be completely in synch with his Newb46 style where he did nothing and stayed in his little bubble. And since I had a townread on him to start, obviously I was biased towards that side to begin with. | ||
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On September 27 2013 11:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Or maybe they double-stacked one of them. That makes sense to me. I would bet doublestack on marv. Didn't someone ask to doc marv? Anyways Ceph didn't get vigged so ##Vote: Cephiro | ||
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Anyways, it's 240 pages but on the bright side I think starting up Thug Life, as well as the death of two proactive posters, dropped the posting rate in this thread significantly. | ||
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Most importantly it would have saved us D3 to be productive and find more scum instead of just lynching Ceph and twiddling our thumbs. | ||
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On September 30 2013 09:11 Koshi wrote: Ok so before I sleep. Kitaman confirmed town for anybody with a brain. Guess I must not have a brain, why do you think this? Kita hasn't said anything that tilts his alignment in either direction | ||
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Guess we should lynch Mocsta, he's responsible for the day we lost after all... ##Vote: Mocsta | ||
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I don't normally touch the VE-marv-BH trio with a 20 foot pole. This is why I don't talk about them and this is why I don't want to talk about them. They intimidate me. Mocsta's been irkin' my jerkin' for a while this game, but after re-reading the last nine pages of his filter I can see him going full yolo and trying to get LM out. He also makes up for it by shifting his contributions into overdrive later in the thread, and I don't see why a scum who just lost town a full cycle of time would put himself in the limelight and willingly engage in conversation with anyone who's here. Geript's death also contributes to it as he tried to save ceph as a townie. So precedent. Essentially sums it up. So here is what I have in short: Risen pushes Mocsta and geript, with the prior being mostly for the voteswitch and the latter being defensive since geript started attacking Risen. He's done nothing else of value to the thread lately. Pandain has gotten better. His level of contibution has gone up and he's stopped going after the lurkers. Stutters695 The awesome post was horrible. After I come home from swim practice I will elaborate on my two reads as well as others. My scumteam right now is Risen, Stutters, Cheesecake, iamperfection, +1 | ||
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On October 01 2013 09:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: yeah it's a joke whatever On October 01 2013 09:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 13: Mr. Cheesecake On October 01 2013 09:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm just going to be like coag and do nothing the rest of the day as confirmed town. Lynch mocsta / stutters / risen | ||
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I was actually going to write something lengthy for risen, but it seems that geript pretty much hit the nail on the head with this one. On September 25 2013 21:35 Mocsta wrote: also noticed all his scum reads are based on other ppl making accusations first (yet he doesnt sell the story this way) So I'm going to explicitly state that I am hopping on geript's case and using it as my reasoning for saying Risen is scum. Next is Stutters. He seems to have healed up but is still actively avoiding doing jack dick. So unless he pulls off something spectacular, he's out for the count. iamperfection is definite scum. He posts many things but few of them have any actual substance. When he does try to pull off substance, he creates a plunger post, because all it does is bring up old shit. On September 27 2013 21:45 iamperfection wrote: Everyone give a read on me this is a mandatory assignment. Coag is excused This is also a short yet telling post. He wants to see how safe he immediately is. He's not even playing scummy and then defending his stance when people call him out on it - he's cutting out the middleman and taking a quick look at who thinks he's scum. I'll take his word on the list post being both a facet of his town and scum play, so I'll ignore that. I would, however, like to note that on the last two pages of his filter he makes zero efforts at scumhunting - this is what I was mad at Pandain about. His only scum is Stutters - the lurker. I'm also disregarding the plunger post because you could convict 75% of the thread looking at old evidence and neglecting later turns of events. | ||
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That is all I have to say, I'm on page 292 and probably should arrive here by the end of the day. | ||
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On October 02 2013 11:02 deconduo wrote: Also wtf happened with geript and VE. Put the new mafia ban list on the subscribed threads and wait for the shitstorm, then you'll find out | ||
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My number one activity period is the 2-3 hours between school and swim practice. Thug Life's deadline is right in the middle of that which means I can always post flavor for that game but I also can't contribute as much. Also I like how Stutters says this: Now, since the thread is so dead I'm not going to be checking more than like once an hour, Yet that's what his activity feels like over the course of this whole game. Just an excuse to do what he's been doing. I'm voting him next. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
I studied for subject SAT's all day, couldn't make it to discussion  | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Big thanks to rayn, I feel like he's the reason I lived as long as I did the first three days | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On October 06 2013 19:33 Clarity_nl wrote: For someone that hasn't read this 300 page game, can someone give a 5 line tl;dr version? 5 words from a townie perspective Almost won, Mocsta fakeclaimed, defeat. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On October 06 2013 19:36 ObviousOne wrote: The town in this game was quite bad We lynched both doctors, so sad With so very much lurk The mafia could twerk Around in the thread like Jihad Nevermind this right here wins the thread | ||
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