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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote: This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience. On September 23 2013 07:47 Chairman Ray wrote: I still disagree with your analysis on my first post. You may have an extensive experience, but that doesn't mean you are correct. In this case, you definitely do have a misread on me, but I hope that we can resolve that now instead of post game. At the same time, I made a lot of rookie mistakes that caused you to have such a strong scumread on me. I would like to win this game so if there's any way that I could make myself easier to read for you and everyone else here, feel free to say it. If I could improve now, that may mean the difference between a win and a loss. Otherwise I'll probably be seeking your help postgame. | ||
Chairman Ray
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 23 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote: This is annoying though. Chairman Ray, what does newbie lenience mean to you? | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On September 23 2013 07:25 Chairman Ray wrote: Since we still have a few hours left, I would like to discuss the reads you have one me right now so I don't get voted on impulse very last second. I don't buy your reasoning on why I should be the one lynched. I think that anyone can make any sort of opening post, whether they are scum or town. So what if there's one mafia in one of your previous games that made a terrible first post? In your history of mafia, has there never been a town that made a terrible first post? Also, what is your opinion on my reads so far? I appreciate that you commented on my LM read, and hopefully I managed to answer your question. I hope that maybe we could discuss things a bit more rather than you just shrugging off my reads as poor attempts of scumhunting. Right now I think there are far better people to lynch, like koshi. I just f5ed the thread, and he still hasn't made any mention on why he's voting me. I respect you for voting me, and following up with a lot of good analysis and valid questions, but all koshi did was vote me in the voting thread, and never even mentioned it here. What's that's supposed to accomplish? It doesn't put any more pressure on me, it doesn't give any information, or anything. He's probably hoping that it would go unnoticed. I'm starting to think that he's scum and he's joining the bandwagon on me. Stuff like this is also bugging me. Read what I've bolded. The natural reaction to the accusation against him on his first post is "well i'm town, so clearly townies make first posts like that". Instead he's trying to argue that scum or town could make it, just making it a generic non-alignment indicative possibility, rather than proclaiming his towniness as a clear reason townies could make his opening post. It's not the only time he talks about reads on him in this way either | ||
justanothertownie
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LoneMeow: I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either. Ray: I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him. FirmTofu: On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote: No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior. This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies. He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared. If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread. Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep. ##Vote: FirmTofu | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 23 2013 10:31 marvellosity wrote: Stuff like this is also bugging me. Read what I've bolded. The natural reaction to the accusation against him on his first post is "well i'm town, so clearly townies make first posts like that". Instead he's trying to argue that scum or town could make it, just making it a generic non-alignment indicative possibility, rather than proclaiming his towniness as a clear reason townies could make his opening post. It's not the only time he talks about reads on him in this way either I wish I could PM you right now. | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 23 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, this is where I stand: LoneMeow: I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either. Ray: I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him. FirmTofu: This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies. He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared. If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread. Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep. ##Vote: FirmTofu This actually phrases it really well. I want to talk to Ray but until then marv, put it this way: are you expecting Ray to play a certain way? | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:24 Chairman Ray wrote: I filtered through posts, and the person who looks the scummiest to me right now is stutters. He's made only a few posts so far. Every post he's made is a poke at kush, but his very last post was questioning me on how I would try to play out the last hour to make things harder for scum. It seems that out of all these pages of posts, and all these players, he's only interested in getting people onto kush and learning my scum catching plan. That seems like a scum agenda to me. If it was you who asked me that question, I wouldn't mind it since you've been asking everyone questions about a lot of things. However stutters very selectively asking me that question instead of the countless other things that have been going on in this thread really screams scum to me. He never votes this or revisits this. ##Vote: Chairman Ray Overall there's just too much stuff that's added up against him. Am I totally confident? No, but he's my best bet for mafia right now. | ||
Meapak_Ziphh
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marvellosity
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On September 23 2013 10:34 WaveofShadow wrote: This actually phrases it really well. I want to talk to Ray but until then marv, put it this way: are you expecting Ray to play a certain way? Not particularly? I have looked at his newbie game for what it's worth | ||
justanothertownie
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marvellosity
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I'm ok with both Firm and Ray wagons really, with preference to Ray | ||
justanothertownie
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
##Unvote: ##Vote: Chairman Ray I don't think we should lynch FT. This is way more he has done in his last couple of town games on D1. While it's not much, and i disagree with a lot of stuff he is saying, it still is way better and he seemed like trying. I have no fucking idea about LoneMeow, basically a coinflip. :/ If Chairman comes up with something that's really townie lynch Sentinel instead, or Risen. I try to wake up before the deadline, not sure if it happens though. | ||
raynpelikoneet
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marvellosity
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On September 23 2013 10:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Deadline is in approximately 30 minutes OP said deadline was at 10 PST? | ||
[UoN]Sentinel
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On September 23 2013 10:31 marvellosity wrote: Stuff like this is also bugging me. Read what I've bolded. The natural reaction to the accusation against him on his first post is "well i'm town, so clearly townies make first posts like that". Instead he's trying to argue that scum or town could make it, just making it a generic non-alignment indicative possibility, rather than proclaiming his towniness as a clear reason townies could make his opening post. It's not the only time he talks about reads on him in this way either Ok, there seems to be a lot of questions for me, which I like. I'll go through them one by one in however order I get to them. Not ignoring anything right now, but ping me again if I left something out for too long. For that post I made, to be really honest, the first time I typed that out, I actually did something like "well i'm town, so clearly townies make first posts like that" posted. I read it over and changed it. If my entire logic is screaming "I'm town", it's still not very convincing to you guys. I did that last game and someone called me out on it. I'm trying to phrase my arguments in a more generic fashion because this is forum mafia and not face to face mafia, so if I just straight up say I'm town, there's no tells on whether I'm truthful or not. I'm doing my best to provide evidence in a non-biased fashion so it's the most clear to you guys. | ||
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