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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 01:18 GMT
#1741
Some of what he writes feels natural though. I may end up just plumping on Firm like a nelly.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 01:21 GMT
#1742
This is annoying though.

On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote:

This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience.



On September 23 2013 07:47 Chairman Ray wrote:

I still disagree with your analysis on my first post. You may have an extensive experience, but that doesn't mean you are correct. In this case, you definitely do have a misread on me, but I hope that we can resolve that now instead of post game. At the same time, I made a lot of rookie mistakes that caused you to have such a strong scumread on me. I would like to win this game so if there's any way that I could make myself easier to read for you and everyone else here, feel free to say it. If I could improve now, that may mean the difference between a win and a loss. Otherwise I'll probably be seeking your help postgame.


[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 23 2013 01:21 GMT
#1743
Ok back now, reading on the last few pages
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 23 2013 01:27 GMT
#1744
On September 23 2013 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
This is annoying though.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 09:57 Chairman Ray wrote:

This is my third game of forum mafia. I have played real time mafia as well. Even though I'm a lot less experienced than most people here, I'll pull my weight just fine and I don't expect any newbie lenience.



Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:47 Chairman Ray wrote:

I still disagree with your analysis on my first post. You may have an extensive experience, but that doesn't mean you are correct. In this case, you definitely do have a misread on me, but I hope that we can resolve that now instead of post game. At the same time, I made a lot of rookie mistakes that caused you to have such a strong scumread on me. I would like to win this game so if there's any way that I could make myself easier to read for you and everyone else here, feel free to say it. If I could improve now, that may mean the difference between a win and a loss. Otherwise I'll probably be seeking your help postgame.



Chairman Ray, what does newbie lenience mean to you?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 01:31 GMT
#1745
On September 23 2013 07:25 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote:
Chairman Ray, not Rayn.

Yes, I think I can get him lynched.


Since we still have a few hours left, I would like to discuss the reads you have one me right now so I don't get voted on impulse very last second.

I don't buy your reasoning on why I should be the one lynched. I think that anyone can make any sort of opening post, whether they are scum or town. So what if there's one mafia in one of your previous games that made a terrible first post? In your history of mafia, has there never been a town that made a terrible first post? Also, what is your opinion on my reads so far? I appreciate that you commented on my LM read, and hopefully I managed to answer your question. I hope that maybe we could discuss things a bit more rather than you just shrugging off my reads as poor attempts of scumhunting.

Right now I think there are far better people to lynch, like koshi. I just f5ed the thread, and he still hasn't made any mention on why he's voting me. I respect you for voting me, and following up with a lot of good analysis and valid questions, but all koshi did was vote me in the voting thread, and never even mentioned it here. What's that's supposed to accomplish? It doesn't put any more pressure on me, it doesn't give any information, or anything. He's probably hoping that it would go unnoticed. I'm starting to think that he's scum and he's joining the bandwagon on me.


Stuff like this is also bugging me. Read what I've bolded. The natural reaction to the accusation against him on his first post is "well i'm town, so clearly townies make first posts like that".

Instead he's trying to argue that scum or town could make it, just making it a generic non-alignment indicative possibility, rather than proclaiming his towniness as a clear reason townies could make his opening post.

It's not the only time he talks about reads on him in this way either
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
September 23 2013 01:32 GMT
#1746
Ok, this is where I stand:

LoneMeow:
I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either.

Ray:
I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him.

FirmTofu:
On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 19:00 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote:
DP.

Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied.

Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started?


I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO.

I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me.

Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time.

I would like to clarify my intentions here.

The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion.

Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies.


I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit.


So, what you are saying is that you accused me falsely based on some really bad meta read. and this whole time it was, in fact, a ploy in order to read me better? is that it?

No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior.

This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies.

He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared.
If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread.

Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep.

##Vote: FirmTofu

WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 23 2013 01:32 GMT
#1747
On September 23 2013 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:25 Chairman Ray wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote:
Chairman Ray, not Rayn.

Yes, I think I can get him lynched.


Since we still have a few hours left, I would like to discuss the reads you have one me right now so I don't get voted on impulse very last second.

I don't buy your reasoning on why I should be the one lynched. I think that anyone can make any sort of opening post, whether they are scum or town. So what if there's one mafia in one of your previous games that made a terrible first post? In your history of mafia, has there never been a town that made a terrible first post? Also, what is your opinion on my reads so far? I appreciate that you commented on my LM read, and hopefully I managed to answer your question. I hope that maybe we could discuss things a bit more rather than you just shrugging off my reads as poor attempts of scumhunting.

Right now I think there are far better people to lynch, like koshi. I just f5ed the thread, and he still hasn't made any mention on why he's voting me. I respect you for voting me, and following up with a lot of good analysis and valid questions, but all koshi did was vote me in the voting thread, and never even mentioned it here. What's that's supposed to accomplish? It doesn't put any more pressure on me, it doesn't give any information, or anything. He's probably hoping that it would go unnoticed. I'm starting to think that he's scum and he's joining the bandwagon on me.


Stuff like this is also bugging me. Read what I've bolded. The natural reaction to the accusation against him on his first post is "well i'm town, so clearly townies make first posts like that".

Instead he's trying to argue that scum or town could make it, just making it a generic non-alignment indicative possibility, rather than proclaiming his towniness as a clear reason townies could make his opening post.

It's not the only time he talks about reads on him in this way either

I wish I could PM you right now.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 23 2013 01:34 GMT
#1748
On September 23 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, this is where I stand:

LoneMeow:
I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either.

Ray:
I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him.

FirmTofu:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 22 2013 19:00 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote:
DP.

Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied.

Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started?


I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO.

I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me.

Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time.

I would like to clarify my intentions here.

The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion.

Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies.


I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit.


So, what you are saying is that you accused me falsely based on some really bad meta read. and this whole time it was, in fact, a ploy in order to read me better? is that it?

No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior.

This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies.

He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared.
If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread.

Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep.

##Vote: FirmTofu


This actually phrases it really well. I want to talk to Ray but until then marv, put it this way: are you expecting Ray to play a certain way?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 01:34 GMT
#1749
On September 22 2013 16:24 Chairman Ray wrote:

I filtered through posts, and the person who looks the scummiest to me right now is stutters. He's made only a few posts so far. Every post he's made is a poke at kush, but his very last post was questioning me on how I would try to play out the last hour to make things harder for scum. It seems that out of all these pages of posts, and all these players, he's only interested in getting people onto kush and learning my scum catching plan. That seems like a scum agenda to me. If it was you who asked me that question, I wouldn't mind it since you've been asking everyone questions about a lot of things. However stutters very selectively asking me that question instead of the countless other things that have been going on in this thread really screams scum to me.


He never votes this or revisits this.

##Vote: Chairman Ray

Overall there's just too much stuff that's added up against him. Am I totally confident? No, but he's my best bet for mafia right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
September 23 2013 01:35 GMT
#1750
Deadline is in approximately 30 minutes
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 01:35 GMT
#1751
On September 23 2013 10:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 10:32 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, this is where I stand:

LoneMeow:
I can see him being discouraged town. The only thing I really don't like is how he just left after voting himself. He is definitely not dumb and knows that this is horrible. But I don't see how it really makes sense as scum either.

Ray:
I don't get this guy. His posting is extremely unintuitive but he obviously posted like this in his last game, too. I am struggling to form an opinion on him.

FirmTofu:
On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 22 2013 19:00 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 22 2013 18:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote:
DP.

Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied.

Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started?


I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO.

I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me.

Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time.

I would like to clarify my intentions here.

The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion.

Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies.


I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit.


So, what you are saying is that you accused me falsely based on some really bad meta read. and this whole time it was, in fact, a ploy in order to read me better? is that it?

No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior.

This looks so unbelievable to me. There are 2 possibilities (I don't buy his explanation): (1) He is town and to proud to admit he made a mistake. (2) He is scum trying to cover up inconsistencies.

He had this weird discussion with DP and he walked us through him reading the thread for a while (a good way to seem active and invested without necessarily doing too much of value). Then he just disappeared.
If I was in his shoes and my time was limited I would try to catch up to the thread asap and not comment on things (without presenting some sort of critical information) that happened ages ago and I especially wouldn't try to discuss those comments with people instead of reading the rest of the thread.

Of those 3 people I like this lynch the most and I have to vote someone now because I have to sleep.

##Vote: FirmTofu


This actually phrases it really well. I want to talk to Ray but until then marv, put it this way: are you expecting Ray to play a certain way?


Not particularly? I have looked at his newbie game for what it's worth
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
September 23 2013 01:36 GMT
#1752
Wait what? Deadline is so close?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 01:37 GMT
#1753
yeah i thought there was another hour O.o

I'm ok with both Firm and Ray wagons really, with preference to Ray
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16326 Posts
September 23 2013 01:37 GMT
#1754
Man I want to sleep.... but I guess I can stay for half an hour -_-
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 23 2013 01:37 GMT
#1755
Blah. I am voting for the candidate i feel is most likely to be scum then if you all ignore Koshi.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Chairman Ray


I don't think we should lynch FT. This is way more he has done in his last couple of town games on D1. While it's not much, and i disagree with a lot of stuff he is saying, it still is way better and he seemed like trying.

I have no fucking idea about LoneMeow, basically a coinflip. :/

If Chairman comes up with something that's really townie lynch Sentinel instead, or Risen.

I try to wake up before the deadline, not sure if it happens though.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 23 2013 01:37 GMT
#1756
wait what, deadline in 30min? then i try to stay awake.. :D
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 01:38 GMT
#1757
Yeah I need to go to bed. If anyone wants anything urgently answering, now's the time to shout
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 23 2013 01:38 GMT
#1758
On September 23 2013 10:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Deadline is in approximately 30 minutes


OP said deadline was at 10 PST?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 23 2013 01:39 GMT
#1759
hit us up with a votecount if you can pls
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 23 2013 01:40 GMT
#1760
On September 23 2013 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 07:25 Chairman Ray wrote:
On September 23 2013 07:00 yamato77 wrote:
Chairman Ray, not Rayn.

Yes, I think I can get him lynched.


Since we still have a few hours left, I would like to discuss the reads you have one me right now so I don't get voted on impulse very last second.

I don't buy your reasoning on why I should be the one lynched. I think that anyone can make any sort of opening post, whether they are scum or town. So what if there's one mafia in one of your previous games that made a terrible first post? In your history of mafia, has there never been a town that made a terrible first post? Also, what is your opinion on my reads so far? I appreciate that you commented on my LM read, and hopefully I managed to answer your question. I hope that maybe we could discuss things a bit more rather than you just shrugging off my reads as poor attempts of scumhunting.

Right now I think there are far better people to lynch, like koshi. I just f5ed the thread, and he still hasn't made any mention on why he's voting me. I respect you for voting me, and following up with a lot of good analysis and valid questions, but all koshi did was vote me in the voting thread, and never even mentioned it here. What's that's supposed to accomplish? It doesn't put any more pressure on me, it doesn't give any information, or anything. He's probably hoping that it would go unnoticed. I'm starting to think that he's scum and he's joining the bandwagon on me.


Stuff like this is also bugging me. Read what I've bolded. The natural reaction to the accusation against him on his first post is "well i'm town, so clearly townies make first posts like that".

Instead he's trying to argue that scum or town could make it, just making it a generic non-alignment indicative possibility, rather than proclaiming his towniness as a clear reason townies could make his opening post.

It's not the only time he talks about reads on him in this way either


Ok, there seems to be a lot of questions for me, which I like. I'll go through them one by one in however order I get to them. Not ignoring anything right now, but ping me again if I left something out for too long.

For that post I made, to be really honest, the first time I typed that out, I actually did something like "well i'm town, so clearly townies make first posts like that" posted. I read it over and changed it. If my entire logic is screaming "I'm town", it's still not very convincing to you guys. I did that last game and someone called me out on it. I'm trying to phrase my arguments in a more generic fashion because this is forum mafia and not face to face mafia, so if I just straight up say I'm town, there's no tells on whether I'm truthful or not. I'm doing my best to provide evidence in a non-biased fashion so it's the most clear to you guys.
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