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Mr. Cheesecake
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justanothertownie
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On September 30 2013 22:41 Koshi wrote: I don't know you are town, silly. I say it is logical because hosts aren't going to replace a scummer on N3 in this game. Koshi, seriously. Stop assuming things about the hosting. You did this in the Newbie game we played together too and you were horribly wrong. On October 01 2013 00:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I can't help but feel that you are scum trying to direct a mislynch onto Mocsta. Mocsta put himself as THE target for scrutiny with that doctor fakeclaim. That's fucking ballsy as mafia -- like LM probably would have been lynched anyway without that fakeclaim. You were trying to push him yesterday instead of cephiro... and I can just imagine what would have happened. Mocsta flips town, shitfest ensues, etc etc. You have done nothing to convince the town other than say Pandain / OO / Geript scum in those regards, and with Mocsta it's a bunch of shitflinging between you and Risen alternating shifts. This is not true. I am all for pressuring VE but the bolded part is wrong. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On October 01 2013 01:12 justanothertownie wrote: Koshi, seriously. Stop assuming things about the hosting. You did this in the Newbie game we played together too and you were horribly wrong. This is not true. I am all for pressuring VE but the bolded part is wrong. Is it? I was under the impression that it was so. LM died by 4 extra votes and people were leaning that way regardless. hmm | ||
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justanothertownie
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Mr. Cheesecake
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justanothertownie
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Geript tried to vote him too but was too late. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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justanothertownie
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Kill VE. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On September 26 2013 09:54 Mocsta wrote: 50% of the game is between Ceph/LoneMeow. That means we can get 50% of the game on zara.. and then with a proper 3way (7 votes each) it will be interesting to see how the wagons respond to each other. How the hell are we going to figure anything out by a 3way lynch? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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I'm seriously considering just policy lynching Mocsta. | ||
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strongandbig
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On October 01 2013 00:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Garbage scum team? Dude that's THE scumteam. If you disagree with me feel free to keep dumbly voting for me or whatever. Pretty bad ##unvote ##vote: VE | ||
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kitaman27
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I think the most important thing to start with is the night hits since it's far too often that people will ignore the suspicions of those who are dead. While a player flipping town doesn't necessarily mean their reads are right, it does mean that you don't need to worry about their cases having an ulterior motive of pushing a mislynch. It's also common sense that the mafia team will go after people they deem as threats. Blazinghand: Nothing really of note. Vet kill. Vayne: cephiro is mentioned in a list of several people. Also suspicious of rayn, Mocsta, JAT WoS: FT, VE Makes a vig list to include ceph/Risen/iamp Marv: Guaranteed ceph as mafia and strongly pushed for him day two. Convinced the town to lynch him after death. yamato: Mocsta, VE, Sent Zaragon: Lists top three preferences as FT, Ceph, Mocsta Umasi: Wanted to lynch Mocsta today. Also suspicious of sent and FT. Mattchew: FT, stutters, Sent (and Marv -_-) FT and Mocsta's name are the most common scum suspects of players that have died. VE and sent are also mentioned multiple times. The three night kills last night are especially suspicious since they targeted players that didn't look incredibly townie and weren't obvious veteran kills. As for ceph's filter, there wasn't a ton of interactions with players that haven't already flipped and his main lynch preference was on a player that already flipped. The player he has the most interaction with is JAT. After having a little back and forth, he doesn't put much effort into his preferred lynch target, voting LoneMeow both cycles as the only realistic candidate. He sends a softball VE's way with no real follow-up, which could possibly be an attempt at scum-to-scum interaction. On September 26 2013 11:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Vote Count FirmTofu (1): Risen justanothertownie (1): kushm4sta Cephiro (9): s&b, justanothertownie, raynpelikoneet, Koshi. [UoN]Sentinel Umasi (1): FirmTofu LoneMeow (13): Coagulation, ObviousOne, Stutters695, iamperfection, Mocsta. Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, deconduo, Pandain LoneMeow is lynched Day two is clearly the most important cycle that we have had so far. On day three, there was little resistance to a Ceph lynch, but on day two, things were highly contested between Ceph and LoneMeow. I've removed the players that have already flipped. One thing that I found suspicious is that FT and Risen would avoid the main wagon even though they had zero chance of a lynch. Kush is also guilty of this, but lets ignore that -_- More importantly however is that the lynch was tied 7-7 with thirty minutes left and Cephiro leading the lynch: [B]On September 26 2013 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Vote Count FirmTofu (3): Risen, LoneMeow, Zaragon justanothertownie (1): kushm4sta Cephiro (7): s&b, justanothertownie, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, Deconduo, Koshi Pandain (1): [UoN]Sentinel Zaragon (2): Mr. Cheesecake [UoN]Sentinel (1): Umasi Umasi (1): FirmTofu LoneMeow (7): Coagulation, ObviousOne, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Cephiro, Stutters695 [u]geript (1): Mocsta [b][blue]Cephiro is currently set to be lynched (first to 7). At this point, Sent unvotes and puts another vote on Ceph. Even though his name came up twice in the hit list last night, I think this earns him a ton of town cred for putting the mafia team in a position where they would need to pull off a several vote swap. A bus at this point would be incredibly risky with it not being clear that the massive vote swap would occur. With the LoneMeow vote, it is now 8-7, with the tiebreak going to a scum lynch. The doctor claim comes at 9:50, which is really important since at this point he is not leading the vote. There would need to be TWO votes that are swapped for a ceph vote not to happen. Between a doctor lynch and a mafia lynch, there is no better situation for the mafia team to pull of a swing. iamp, Mocsta, CC, VE, deconduo, and pandain all pull off the swap. Now clearly all of these players cannot be mafia, but those that are part of this list should be considered incredibly suspicious. More importantly, I think you have to look at the reasoning for their switch: Before the lynch, iamp does not have a strong opinion between the two players. He appears concerned with both player's activity in the hour before the lynch, but doesn't commit one way or the other. In my opinion, he is waiting to the last minute to see if the ceph lynch can be avoided. He threatens to vote for LoneMeow's switch to Ceph, but what does he expect him to do? Does he honestly think that a town Meow wouldn't vote for Ceph in that situation? Ceph has a vote on Meow and is equally afk, but this isn't an issue? When the doctor claim comes out, he is suddenly strongly in favor of a Meow lynch as if he has already made up his mind and shows little interest in seeing both ways. Mocsta is all over the place in the final hour before the lynch. He goes back and forth multiple times to the point where it's difficult to say that any of his reads are even real or if he is just making them up on the spot. Initially, he buys the doctor claim as legit, so naturally he decides to move over to geript who has no chance of being lynched. He seems to come to this conclusion without actually checking whether or not he mentions yamato, until the point is brought up by someone else. Why does he believe the doctor claim if he clearly hasn't researched things himself? He then comes back with the fake doctor claim to ensure a Meow lynch. I can't pretend to understand this. Just minutes ago he believed Meow is the doctor. Now he is so confident that he is willing to lie to secure the lynch? At the same time, trying to pull this off as mafia is extremely gutsy. It's a high risk, high reward type of move. I'm pretty stumped with him and will likely need to look into his history first. VE's role in this entire sequence is incredibly scummy. He is playing the back seat role and there is an apparent lack of interest in the lynch. He votes LoneMeow, swaps to Ceph, then back to Meow based on one-liners. He mentions that he thinks it is going to be a mislynch, but puts no effort into swinging things to someone like geript. He shares that he could be in favor of player X or Y, but he clearly doesn't care enough to get others to move their vote. In the end, he tries to put a lot of blame on Mocsta, even though VE deserves just as much blame for the mislynch. CC, deconduo, and pandain also were part of the swap, but I think it seems more likely that they were the town participants. I haven't really put much time reading into these players. I've also totally ignored Risen for the moment. The LoneMeow/Ceph lynch probably wasn't completely one-sided, but the individuals on the correct side of the lynch shouldn't be a priority today or tomorrow. The four players that I'm looking at right now are FT, iamp, Mocsta and VE (I only think one of the final two are likely mafia). I need to take a break for a little bit, but when I return, I'll put together a case on who we should be lynching today. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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justanothertownie
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