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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 26 2013 01:11 GMT
#3881
Sorry guys I've lost all desire to play with this cold. I'm getting over it now so I'll be reading up tomorrow and getting back into it. Lone meow hasn't changed anything from when I said he should be lynched so he's still my vote.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 26 2013 01:11 GMT
#3882
On September 26 2013 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta looks really really bad for doing what he just did imo.

doing what
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 26 2013 01:12 GMT
#3883
I'm back with 377 new posts to read... is it just deadline? I've never seen this much discussion in four and a half hours.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 26 2013 01:13 GMT
#3884
Does still literally no one else see the scum in VE?
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 26 2013 01:13 GMT
#3885
Geript voting Zaragon makes me not want to vote Zaragon anymore...
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 26 2013 01:15 GMT
#3886
On September 26 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
Cephiro, if you're town, you and I are going to have a chat.

You're going to give me your read of VE, and I'm going to decide whether you're worth saving or not.


Noticed this post of yours after I had posted my last message, so EBWOP:

I currently have him pegged as neutral. I haven't been able to get a convincing read of him into a direction or another yet. Mainly because while he provides many good points and reasoning for his somewhat differing reads, he also doesn't pressure his scumreads hard enough in my opinion. It seems like he is concentrating more on questioning the reads of others and defending people he considers town. (Which is not a bad thing, but I don't understand why he isn't pressuring his scumreads more.)
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
September 26 2013 01:15 GMT
#3887
I think voting Zaragon is a bad idea regardless...
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 26 2013 01:16 GMT
#3888
VE is acting funny. He isn't yelling at anyone.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 26 2013 01:17 GMT
#3889
On September 26 2013 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta looks really really bad for doing what he just did imo.

Vote me then, bish.

Or i will check/shoot/save you tonight.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
September 26 2013 01:17 GMT
#3890
On September 26 2013 10:15 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
Cephiro, if you're town, you and I are going to have a chat.

You're going to give me your read of VE, and I'm going to decide whether you're worth saving or not.


Noticed this post of yours after I had posted my last message, so EBWOP:

I currently have him pegged as neutral. I haven't been able to get a convincing read of him into a direction or another yet. Mainly because while he provides many good points and reasoning for his somewhat differing reads, he also doesn't pressure his scumreads hard enough in my opinion. It seems like he is concentrating more on questioning the reads of others and defending people he considers town. (Which is not a bad thing, but I don't understand why he isn't pressuring his scumreads more.)

Pressuring reads isn't my forte. I don't know what to ask people, because generally I don't know what kind of stuff is important to determining their alignment. That's not how I scumhunt. I scumhunt by observing, picking up trends in their play and shit like that. Is it the best way? Probably not, but it's how I've found the most success.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 26 2013 01:18 GMT
#3891
On September 26 2013 10:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
VE is acting funny. He isn't yelling at anyone.

Thank you.
On September 26 2013 10:15 justanothertownie wrote:
I think voting Zaragon is a bad idea regardless...

This.
Really the only concern I have with him is his posts are few.

I'm starting to feel uncomfortable btw with a lonemeow lynch. CC, VE, and Stutters all voting for him.

VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
September 26 2013 01:18 GMT
#3892
On September 26 2013 10:17 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mocsta looks really really bad for doing what he just did imo.

Vote me then, bish.

Or i will check/shoot/save you tonight.

I'm fine with you checking, but really don't shoot me dude. Ugh.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 26 2013 01:19 GMT
#3893
On September 26 2013 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 10:15 Cephiro wrote:
On September 26 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
Cephiro, if you're town, you and I are going to have a chat.

You're going to give me your read of VE, and I'm going to decide whether you're worth saving or not.


Noticed this post of yours after I had posted my last message, so EBWOP:

I currently have him pegged as neutral. I haven't been able to get a convincing read of him into a direction or another yet. Mainly because while he provides many good points and reasoning for his somewhat differing reads, he also doesn't pressure his scumreads hard enough in my opinion. It seems like he is concentrating more on questioning the reads of others and defending people he considers town. (Which is not a bad thing, but I don't understand why he isn't pressuring his scumreads more.)

Pressuring reads isn't my forte. I don't know what to ask people, because generally I don't know what kind of stuff is important to determining their alignment. That's not how I scumhunt. I scumhunt by observing, picking up trends in their play and shit like that. Is it the best way? Probably not, but it's how I've found the most success.


VE... Do you NOT remember Noir? You pressured me to all hell in that game D2. And I also remember you pressuring Hopeless.

This is actually bullshit you are spewing.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
September 26 2013 01:19 GMT
#3894
inb4 "VE just claimed GF"
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
September 26 2013 01:20 GMT
#3895
On September 26 2013 10:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 26 2013 10:15 Cephiro wrote:
On September 26 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
Cephiro, if you're town, you and I are going to have a chat.

You're going to give me your read of VE, and I'm going to decide whether you're worth saving or not.


Noticed this post of yours after I had posted my last message, so EBWOP:

I currently have him pegged as neutral. I haven't been able to get a convincing read of him into a direction or another yet. Mainly because while he provides many good points and reasoning for his somewhat differing reads, he also doesn't pressure his scumreads hard enough in my opinion. It seems like he is concentrating more on questioning the reads of others and defending people he considers town. (Which is not a bad thing, but I don't understand why he isn't pressuring his scumreads more.)

Pressuring reads isn't my forte. I don't know what to ask people, because generally I don't know what kind of stuff is important to determining their alignment. That's not how I scumhunt. I scumhunt by observing, picking up trends in their play and shit like that. Is it the best way? Probably not, but it's how I've found the most success.


VE... Do you NOT remember Noir? You pressured me to all hell in that game D2. And I also remember you pressuring Hopeless.

This is actually bullshit you are spewing.

I was like literally the only person doing anything. Someone had to do something. There are a ton of people in this game and EVERYONE wants to pressure someone. I'm not spewing bullshit.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
September 26 2013 01:24 GMT
#3896
Guys I'm just not in a "lynch-drivey" kind of mood this game. I'm in more of a sit-back-and-commenty kind of mood. That's not a crime last time I checked.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 26 2013 01:24 GMT
#3897
On September 26 2013 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 05:44 Pandain wrote:
Quick reasons why VE is scum before I go to class:
1. Has been lurking day two but still clearly reading.
2. Tried to cast doubt on Yamato as confirmed town, why even do that.
3. Just accused JAT for "why you pick FT" and being incredulous at it. Despite this, VE has said that he thinks FT best option and he only switched because no one would talk to him. Why is he so surprised at JAT.
4. Hasn't really been pushing lynches, merely commenting, agreeing, or disagreeing
5. Yam and WoS both thought and said VE was scum before they got shot.
6.
On September 26 2013 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I am also going to vote for LoneMeow. For the town.


g2g be back later plz vote VE I will help with the crusade
Bad random vote, doesn't comment on key issues going on which corresponds to my noting his inconspicious absense.



1) Not alignment indicative. I would read the thread regardless of my alignment, and I'm wont to lurk these days regardless of alignment. I'm here when I can be, and I comment on pertinent issues when I can. This does not make me scum.

2) It has nothing to do with "casting doubt". It has to do with getting burned as fuck by people (myself included) confirming someone as town when they (we) absolutely should NOT have. I may believe that Yamato is town (and I do, presently) but that doesn't mean that he's "confirmed town". As I said before: the only confirmed town are the dead.

3) I don't even know what you're referring to here. Maybe a quote or something could help.

4) Again, this isn't alignment indicative in the least. Once upon a time in my mafia career, yes. Nowadays, not so much. However I have been, as you say, commenting, agreeing or disagreeing with things. I don't understand why you say this is a point against me, if anything it shows that I'm trying to figure out the game WITH others. But whatever. This is a null tell.

5) WIFOM. Also as scum I don't shoot people who are suspicious of me. I shoot people who are NOT suspicious of me. Ask anyone. WIFOM defense of a WIFOM point. Suck it bro.

6) Maybe you could explain how this "random vote" is bad. You may not like my reasons, but it's not a BAD vote - guy hasn't done anything and I think he's a fine vote for today.

In short, this case is bad and you should feel bad Pandain. For shame.

By the way in response to this:
The fact is he hasn't been contributing original thought lately. And this day has had a lot of topics. The previous day were agreements and disagreements with statements anyway.
2. If you think he's town, and you should think he's heavily probably town, why try to cast doubt on him anyway. Maybe in later game situations, but now all you are doing is hurting others perceiving him as town which you should do if you perceive him as town.

And in my eyes you're being active, not productive. There's a difference and your skimming/lurking.

Scum shoot people who are blue or on the right track/good analyzers. In either case, I trust their judgement on you and furthermore I find it suspicious they're shot. May be wifom but its more true then not.

Then why vote yourself, as well during day one? The votes were close, why not take a stand/judgement. Came after the deadline and seems like a cop out
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 26 2013 01:24 GMT
#3898
On September 26 2013 10:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
inb4 "VE just claimed GF"

U better hope u r.

Cos last night I checked Yam

So GTFO
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 26 2013 01:25 GMT
#3899
On September 26 2013 10:24 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 10:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
inb4 "VE just claimed GF"

U better hope u r.

Cos last night I checked Yam

So GTFO


Where's ur breadcrumb BRO?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
September 26 2013 01:25 GMT
#3900
Why are we voting for LoneMeow? My read on him hasn't changed much... I think he tried to do something productive and gave up. As opposed to Newb47 (scum game) where it came pretty naturally.
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