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What has DI done to instill such trust? Has anyone looked at what potentially happens when a town mocsta gets lynched? Who's left alive in that house? A lone Onegu. Regardless, you guys sit on that. Just went into johnny's filter trying to find house member list and found... | ||
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On August 13 2013 11:46 johnnywup wrote: i am indeed here and think that ace, jrkirby, yamato, kush, sharrant are scum. ace is being useless and town ace is never useless. jrkirby seems pretty obvious. yamato basically claimed scum. kush is either trolling as town or scum. on sharrant: he PMed acro that he was a cop during d1 it sounds like. makes no sense as town, obviously. but lets just say that town sharrant has a huge town read on acro...except for the fact that he lied who he was going to check in case acro was scum. you wouldn't do that if you had a town read on acro...so sharrant must have been thinking acro was null/scum. if sharrant thought acro was scum/null, why would he PM him at all? it makes no sense from town, like others have said. If sharrant was scum then he would know acro was town (or scum, I guess...). The problem here is he doesn't know acros role...but since they're agreeing on a target he doesn't have to worry about being blocked or anything, I guess. I dunno, it just seems to make a bit more sense as scum, but I really think it's just stupid from sharrants part as either town or scum >_> still think he's scum though. was an ez bus for sharrant to gain cred from, but somewhat scumslipped. acro doesn't think he's scum I think and he's the one who exchanged PMs with him, but from an outsiders POV it looks bad for sharrant @_@ I know I'm not saying anything new but this is the main reason why I think sharrant is scum. also for the record I haven't received any PMs from kush or sharrant since forever. I haven't been sending any to anyone besides acro. On August 14 2013 17:42 johnnywup wrote: Sorry my Internets being really dumb. mocsta, i had a post that I was going to post about why I thought risen/Koshi is scum, but it boils down to this: Sharrant has a good case on Koshi, I'll let him post it himself. Risen is trying to lynch the guy that gave us scum for free. It seems unlikely to be a bus to me because Yamato wasn't even really in the limelight and no one would give their scum buddy away when they're not even being scrutinized (I think..I've never played as scum). Like, sharrant is the one person who actually gave us scum on a platter, and risen wants to lynch him. What? And if any of you want to point out me agreeing with risens case, yes I changed my mind because I actually thought about it more and I liked it less and less. I'm pretty convinced sharrant is town. Disagree that first action would be to go to qt. what would that accomplish at all? If anything the fact he wasn't mod killed makes me think he's more likely scum because mods would be less likely to modkill scum. I know that's not a case but it's something to maybe consider. On phone, hope that comes through. Reads shar as scum, then can't understand why someone would think a bus was out of the realm of possibility? I doubt it. | ||
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I'm implying that one of two things is happening. 1) Mafia is setting up the lynch on Mocsta today with a red check from shar and used KP on onegu last night and will be finishing him off tonight. 2) Onegu is scumlord and the red check is to prevent mocsta from screwing with the vote so scum could control a house. | ||
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How incredibly interesting is it that every one of my push targets has turned out to be town. Let's look over my pushes this game. + Show Spoiler + Entrance push Oats, DI, Xata, Grack. Only one is flipped, and he was blue. Next up we have Clarity. Hasn't flipped. Then FT, flipped town, though I wanted to shoot him, not lynch him. I make a post detailing about how town should use their shots at night, get called an idiot, then we use that schedule system. More Clarity push. Rayn pushes don't count since I've been trying to keep him alive for a long time now. I adjust my view on Oats, DI, Xata moving them all to unsure. Grack Clarity stay scum reads. More Rayn push that doesn't count, was a stupid plan. Sharrant case, had a hole in it. Thinking back hole isn't so big, why is town cop talking to someone he's unsure of. Sharrant claims it's just a bad play on his part. Red check on green mocsta says otherwise. I say lynch needs to be yamato ("confirmed" red) shot needs to be Sharrant. Sharrant hasn't flipped. Xatalos defends Shar with exact logic scum supporting another scum's bus would. Xatalos asks if he's more wishy washy than Acro, he isn't. He has supriginly strong convictions for someone who's supposed to be town and not know anyone's alignment. SHAR TUNNEL OF AWESOME I can't read, so the SHAR TUNNEL OF AWESOME continues chugging along not knowing it's running on tracks made of paper. Call out Vivax for rehashing my shit. He flips scum. Note I've been pushing Vivax in PM land, I think. Can't remember whether I pushed Vivax there or thread first. SnB gets pushed as well here. He hasn't flipped. SHAR TUNNEL OF AWESOME turns into RISEN JUST TOPPED PREVIOUS GoT BADNESS LEVEL ABORT THREAD in regards to Xatalos scum slip. Get demoralized, drop pressure on him. More martyring by me because I was being a little bitch. I'm not a bully, I just don't trust Rayn 100%. No townie would with someone who's unconfirmed. (See that Shar?) Call out DI for being useless since early game. Not really a push. Xata makes pretty bad connection that's really easy to defend against in a thread that has so much useless posting. Xata softest push NA. Xata makes point about SnB not scumhunting right after SnB makes a case. I actually had a reason for pushing Vivax, Xata doesn't think I had one, but I said Vivax knows too much and I was right. SnB going apeshit b/c no one will talk to him about his case on me or Vivax. I let him know I'll address his concerns with me and he can sit on my responses. I explain my read on Vivax. Dude knows too much. He did. OH GOD SHARRANT TUNNEL OF FAIL WHY. Chrom point out hole in case. Much sorrow is had. I guess I was reading Shar's filter with the mindset of "this guy is scum no town would talk to Acro" and my brain made the shit fit. Reading comprehension 101 classes should be given in TL Mafia. Talking to Mocsta about rayn. Call out Koshi because who's supporting my case at that point? It's actually "believable" that town cop went to Acro at this point. Koshi hasn't flipped. Call out thread for attacking SnB while saying Vivax has way too many apologists. Vote Vivax. He flips red. Reminiscing on the times I was too crazy as town to be believed to be town and how if I was only better at this game I'd be better. Bads gonna bad, though. vOv Xatalos has a hard on trying to get me to shoot kush, I tell him I won't. Kush flips green. I tell thread I want Xata dead. I make a PM land push to get Xata lynched after forgetting about Vivax. Immediately correct it saying Vivax should be the lynch, but Xata really needs to die. Xata hasn't flipped. Make post about how my reads have been flat out wrong because I've bought into the whole "Risen's reads are all wrong" hype in thread without realizing that just about everyone I push lives. More Xata call outs. Grack defends someone like he knows that someone is town. We come to today. Flipped town Oats FT Flipped scum Vivax Unflipped Clarity DI Xata Grack Sharrant Acro Koshi So you want to explain to me how you know who's town on the unflipped list, Xata? | ||
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On August 19 2013 02:19 Clarity_nl wrote: So not only are you saying he's scum, you're saying he's scum who hasn't lied about a single townread? Or you're saying that because he has townreads he's scum? Why are you analyzing your own play midgame? Yes it's VERY interesting that you've pushed townies all game. Pretty sure most of us were aware of that, if you don't recall everyone yelling at you day 1, and all the other days too pretty much. There's also no such thing as a "hard soft defense". It's just a hard defense. Do you think scum is comfortable giving out so many definitive reads? Xata is town. Except the point of my post is that how can anyone know who I've pushed all game, there's so much unflipped........ So it isn't very interesting that I've pushed townies all game. As a matter of fact, if we lynched who I wanted lynched every day it would go Clarity lynched d1, Yamato d2, Shar and then Vivax d3. Two unflipped, two scum. So tell me again about how my pushes have been all town this game. Oh wait, they fuckign haven't been. | ||
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2) And then Vivax flipped red and Shar was wrong about a red check. 3) Rayn was a bad plan; Xata, SnB haven't flipped. Note how I still want Xata dead, though, and haven't made any real comments on SnB. 4) What? I've been pushing Vivax since d1 when he defended FT while trying to shift the wagon back to Onegu. I was the second of six votes on Vivax. I didn't jump on the wagon to kill him, I helped create it. 5) It was a bad time, I was really embarassed and ashamed for my play over the course of the day. You got flak because at the time you said it Chrom has completely unraveled my case and you didn't voice anything other than "yeah I support lynching Shar". That's not really giving a good reason, especially after the case gets debunked. Had you said this after it turned out Shar was giving a red check on a green target it might be worth something. 6) Seemed like a good idea at the time. In hindsight, probably not so much. 7) That's not what it says at all. It says the scum plan assuming Shar is scum is to get Onegu alone in the house so he can either a) control it as he's on the scum team or b) they can kill him as part of the three people are dead sweep tonight. | ||
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On August 19 2013 02:32 Clarity_nl wrote: You're the one who said it. Okay I understand what you're trying to say now. Apparently xata said you've been pushing townies all game, and you think he scumslipped because he doesn't know the unflipped players' alignment. I really wish you guys would just say what you mean in a way that's easy to understand. I think this is a dumb assumption, from where I'm standing you've been pushing townies all game too. When I say that that doesn't mean "you've never pushed scum this game" as much as it means "you've pushed a lot of obvious townies" Think you're taking it too literal. It's a very real possibility that I'm taking it too literally, and I accept that. However, another reason for that post was to defend my pushes to a thread that has completely discredited me. I'll admit, I was down on myself for a bit there, too, but after reading my filter I don't think I've actually been that wrong this game. Bad? Yes. Wrong? It remains to be seen. That's the message I was trying to send with the post. Xata somehow knowing the alignments of my pushes was just butter on top. | ||
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On August 19 2013 02:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Your targets day 1 were so obviously bad and your post was so massively big I don't think anyone could be bothered to spend 5 paragraphs explaining the obvious. Then I guess I'll never grow as a player since I'm still sitting trying to figure out what was wrong with it. Post-game maybe hosts or obs can explain to me and help me understand. | ||
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On August 19 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote: Risen So the best lynch for today would be Xatalos? Fuck no. Best lynch today is Sharrant. Are you kidding me? Things that still hold true in spite of my massive wrongness 1) Cop-claim asks for advice from unknown on who to check. 2) Cop-claim gets red check on scummy target who the thread is already leaning towards lynching. 3) Cop-claim lives to d4. 4) COP-CLAIM WHO CLAIMED ONE SHOT COP GETS RED CHECK ON NOW CONFIRMED GREEN TARGET. IS THIS FOR REAL. So we have a cop not playing like a cop should followed by a lie in his claim followed by a red check on a green target when there's no way someone frames mocsta and IT IS DAY 4 WITH A MEDIC DEAD AND A SCUM TEAM NOT KILLING HIM. How is this just occuring to me rofl. So bad. But sometimes right. That should be my motto. | ||
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On August 19 2013 02:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Then I'll ask again why spend so much time analyzing your own play this game? Saying that 1) I proved I'm not as bad as xata is making me out to be! 2) Xata is scum! And then saying #1 is more important to you, 2 is just a bonus. Like wtf man. I analyzed my play to show everyone that my pushes aren't flipping and my pushes aren't as bad as they're being painted. That's very much in line with #1, and it isn't me saying I'm not bad, it's me saying I'm not wrong. | ||
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On August 19 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote: Xatalos, DI, Sharrant is your scumteam? Because with Sharrant scum, DI is confirmed scum as well. Sharrant, DI, Acro is my scum team. | ||
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On August 19 2013 02:47 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't disagree with this in itself.... but this means that either sharrant has taken damage from scum or a scum ability, or DI is lying about his hp check. Both of which seem unlikely. More unlikely than a framer framing mocsta, a replacement who seems townie despite the person he replaced looking scummy/null. How is this so far from the realm of possibility? Three people are dying tonight if things hold steady. How much longer does town really have to lynch scum and keep up with that kill rate? | ||
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