On August 18 2013 19:10 Clarity_nl wrote:I guess I'm up for lynching johnny but it's for the wrong reasons. I have no idea if he's scum or town, he's completely null and useless. Don't want him around at lylo. I kinda wanna lynch grack just because of this post Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 07:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Shits going down. I'm content to lynch Johnnywup since we won't even get him in lord shots tonight and he has the best chance of anyone to flip scum.
I did use my pm's, I talked a whole bunch with Mocsta to try to get a better read on him because I wasn't confident he would flip scum when everybody else was throwing him to the wolves. I also talked a bit to Rayn and he seemed to be genuinely convinced Mocsta was scum so I don't think he is the best lynch for today,
##Vote: Johnnywup I dunno how johnny has "the best chance of flipping scum" but that's a silly statement that means nothing. I can't tell if this post is scum just consolidating on a townie without much thought, or a bus because johnny is a lost cause, however I do know that a townie does not post this. Apparently he was talking to mocsta in pms, when everyone else wanted to kill him, because he wasn't confident in the lynch. Was anyone aware of this? I sure as hell wasn't. I don't understand why, as a townie, you would INSTEAD of saying in the thread "hey guys, I'm not too confident in this lynch/shot" you go talk to the guy who is up for getting lynched/shot?? Clearly you didn't show the fact that you doubt he's scum with him, because he fucking gave up on the game. This is a classic scumpost. Consolidate without reasons. Try to get towncred by opposing a lynch/shot on a townie (after his flip, might I add) and give out a random townread (on rayn)
I'll give you some reasons if you'd prefer. Don't think you really need reasons for Johnnywup. the closest thing to scum hunting I've seen from him is one list and even that wasn't much. He's always popping in to defend himself and he has done thing for days. I would be very surprised if he wasn't scum at this point.
On August 17 2013 17:18 Mocsta wrote:
Clarity..
Im resigned from this game because from my POV, i was looking forward to being lord and working with my town reads (e.g. yourself/acro/xatalos). When the draw came out, i was surprised. I even messaged Acro and said outright, you are the only lord I trust. Hence, when the check came out (from someone who I have a townread on based on the yam lynch) I felt I was already lynched because ppl like rayn were most likely going to vote me even without the redcheck.
However, the events have been good for a couple reasons.
#1. I dont have a scum read on Grackeroni anymore.
We have been talking before/after the redcheck. Its not entirely fruitful in finding alternative scum targets; but, its more the effort. I find it really unlikely for scum to keep talking to me, and keep trying to ask why i reverted my read from null to scum. Whereas, ppl like rayn.. well, they just ignore me... Oddly enough, I expected Acro to maintain convo with me; instead he voted me, and has ignored me as well. So in short: Im liking Grack as town, and xat as town. So my 1 scum/hosue theory is debunked for now.
#2. Sharrants been bugging me with the whole "i cant read mocsta" thing... I just can't recall sharrant being like that. most of the games i played with sharrant; i have actaully replaced into, and sharrant was already MISLYNCHED!!! so hes never really had to actually divine my alignment.. but thats nitpicking. For the time being, Im going to believe the cop claim.
#3. With Grack out of the equation, im back to wanting to lynch Rayn.
He pretends he was the first to want to lynch Vivax, but as we know in mafia. its not saying "i want xxx gone" its about actually pushing. What rayn did was drop everything to chase me. Im the one who actaully campaigned for a vivax lynch...
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##Vote: Raynpelikoneet
There's proof that I was talking to him in pm's, rather than me just saying that in thread for the towncred. I was leaning towards not lynching him and did tell him that in PM's, I didn't make a post on it because I wanted more time to think it over before I posted in thread. Obviously I didn't expect for him to modkill himself.
Rayn seemed townie in PM's, he pm'd me asking me to act nice towards Mocsta in PM's to try to get more information out of him. (I had already been doing so) he pm'd me saying that Mocsta was the one pushing his town reads yesterday and that he thought he caught clarity. He seemed very convinced that Mocsta was scum and went out of his way to prove it.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 19 2013 00:12 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 17:10 Grackaroni wrote:
That was late lol, with your who voted for Oberyn?? post I was under the impression you guys didn't put much effort into your election. What gave you this impression, because it wasnt true between me and oberyn or kirby. Only me and Yamato didnt talk much the first night. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 10:58 Grackaroni wrote:On August 09 2013 10:32 iamperfection wrote:
This message is for everyone. We are simply not lynching ryan or acro under any circumstances this cycle and i want your help to find the true scum in this game. Regardless of what you think of the two their activity alone makes them not the best chance to lynch scum. We all know that scum tend b e less active than town and like to lurk in the shadows. This biting each others heads off serves no purpose but to create an atmospher not productive to town because it allows to lurkers to continue to lurk and the scum along with them.
I want to know have nonposters in your house been active in pms. Gumshoe has contacted me stating that he will be on later and as of yet still hasnt posted. I havent heard from grack to last night. I want to know if any non posters are in contact with you and if you have suspicion of them from their n0 commitment and recent pms. regardless if they are pm'ing you i want to know why they arent posting in the thread. IE ( Sharrant is in contact with you but isnt posting in the thread acro)
these are the pieces of shit that come to mind
FirmTofu- Decided to complain about activity and did nothing else
Gumshoe- Had a good feeling from pms that he was town but is mia
Grack- Mia since last night
Kush- Non contributer who i want kp directed at because he can contribute as town and isnt
nacho- non poster and i havent heard anything about his pms
Sharrant- as stated before Piece of Shit reporting for dut I will read through the thread and and get some reads sometime tonight. it might not be for hours, not making any promises. You may be around but I don't think you have done anything, unless you have been particularly busy in PM's. I believe that your involvement in pm's dropped quite significantly as well after you got elected, at least from my perspective and xata seemed less sure of you late in the night as well. Do some scumhunting or at least build a case on me, calling out lurkers is useless and that's the most I've seen from you. @All lords, I would like to know how frequently Iamperfection has been PMing you and any impressions you have gotten from those PM's Here he calls out iamp for pressureing lurkers. On day one. Iamp called him out for lurking and his response isnt to come back and scum hunt, it is to attack back. This is a scum reaction not town. Then see at the end he asks for reactions from the lords without giving good impressions himself from his own PMs. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town. After that he started making posts such On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote:
Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?
I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:
1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.
2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.
3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.
4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.
5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.
6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).
7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.
8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.
9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.
I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:
1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? Ok I have gone over this before, either he is making a very large leap in logic form 1-2 post about oberyn and jrkirby talking about yamato. Or he is in scum QT with yamamto and because our house didnt talk to yamato much he thinks our entire house isnt PMing each other. Look I dont mind him going after jrkirby as he hasnt played with him before, but he is going after the easiest target to geta mislynch. Then a small little tidbit about ots and yamato that means very little. And he already knows what is going on in thread as he mentions the oats yamato thing, so why does he ask who to look at? Why not look at yamato or oats sinch you said both cant be town. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:15 Grackaroni wrote:
ok 15 minutes past and nobody read my post. cya tomorrow guys Ahhh so sad T_T Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:32 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:28 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:19 Grackaroni wrote:
@Chromatically, what part of my opening post gave you scum vibes? On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote:On August 08 2013 14:53 iamperfection wrote:
Im going to let my black sheep some time in the thread see if he does anything.
I would love to stay and chat but its late
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything?  Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching. Scum come into the thread unsure of what they should post. This looks like you're trying to find anything that you can to post about, and none of it is concerned with finding scum. Providing some townreads and a null read do nothing to help find scum, and show an interest in "contributing" rather than looking for scum. I like how you reacted and explained the Sol situation though, so maybe not. I don't really understand why my post is more scummy than others, I wanted to start discussing people and the only way we could do that is if I started talking about who was in my house and my perceptions of them. If we just continued talking about if we should reveal houses all game we would be nowhere right now. And that's what other first posts were concerned about. Here he defends his first post which is fine, but his very first line. Why even say that? Just defend your post if you are going to say that give examples of someone elses first post being more scummy than yours. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum. My first post is totes pro town leave me alone guys. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:06 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 06:04 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 10 2013 06:02 Acrofales wrote:On August 10 2013 06:00 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 10 2013 05:54 Acrofales wrote:
A pressing matter has arisen in the Reach. I must return there post-haste. I should be back in time for the formal vote, but if I am not, please record that I want to lynch jrkirby, whose few contributions do not seem compatible with loyalty to the realm. I should be back in plenty of time, so feel free to continue sending me ravens.
Remember my earlier speech. Please make sure to decide on a list of priorities for sending our swords after tonight, and each lord should publicize when he will send his swords in order to use them optimally.
I will be around for another 15 minutes or so, while my servants saddle my horse.
##vote jrkirby
I still don't really understand. He came into the thread late and talked about setup, classic newbie mistake for either alignment. What are the other points against him? How is this different from a lurker lynch? Also, is anyone other than rayn willing to lynch Onegu right now? He's a lurker who has contributed NOTHING, nor given any intention of contributing anything. Why do you think he's a loyalist? Who would you prefer we kill today? My horse is ready. Adieu! Did I say he's a loyalist? He's basically a lurker lynch. Didn't we all agree we have KP for that? It's a policy lynch, coinflip. What information do we gain if he flips town? I like an onegu lynch. Risen are you ever going to explain your scumread on me? Apparantly I'm your main lynch candidate. Onegu lynch looks good to me, he was really eager for the game to start pregame and since then all he has done is pop in and comment on little pieces of information without probing alignments or looking for scum. Happy to jump on my lynch with very little justification and no specific reasons or anything new to add. Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Wait didnt we find out not every lord shot him? Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 15:46 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 15:19 Oberyn wrote:
I've got to get to bed and I'm not sure I'll be able to be very active the first half of the cycle, but something that comes to mind:
gumshoe has 7 kp.
The Lords shoot 6 kp, meaning the mafia likely finished him off.
4 players knew it would take a single kp to finish off gumshoe. The mafia obviously aren't going to spend more kp than they have to on a 2 post inactive like gumshoe.
Extreme FOS to the players who had knowledge of his hp check. Actually now that I think about it, it's the exact opposite of that. Mafia have no kills most likely because they spread out their kp towards too many targets and didn't expect us to have 7 hp. So if the people such as myself who knew of the hp check were mafia there would be dead townies today aside from Gumshoe. No this isnt actully true mafia has spread out thier KP again, so you are saying is wrong, and mafia having your info helps them and lets them make thier shots correctly anyway. And because he died that night where they couldnt be certain he was at one hp without the check makes me believe they wouldnt have shot him without your info. Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now.
Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over.
Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7.
One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum:
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well?
Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. I dont understand the first part, did a lord say that? They couldnt have because it was night, unless a lord told scum in PM. But what you are saying makes little sense. Second part how is that in anyway a logical conclusion? Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now.
Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over.
Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7.
One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum:
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well?
Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. What the fuck. You actually believe this? Explain why scum would kill gumshoe, with what reasoning. You think that scum didn't know how much hp a townie had (and therefore lannisters are clean) because they killed gumshoe and no one else? You're telling me you think they focused all their kp on GUMSHOE?!?!?!? I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts : On August 10 2013 11:19 gumshoe wrote:
Hey, I'm alive, been busy, ill vote tofu as well. On August 10 2013 11:20 gumshoe wrote:
## vote tofu Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me. How do you get to this conclusion? Most likely scum figured out it would only take a one kp to off him and since they were all ready spreading out kp he was a easy shot for free town kill. Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 18:22 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 18:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Because he's 1 hp and if one of you is scum it makes it easier to elect yourself? Because he might be blue? (less likely)
Like I said, I dunno where the rest of scum's kp went, but it either got blocked or they spread it out to kill 4 people n2 or whatever. that's 1 hp town would be forced to use the subsequent night to get rid of him. I was not going to be made lord with or without gumshoe, and gumshoe is the only person who would possibly have voted for me due to his lack of posts. (Realize I post only in defense of myself because were are both in agreement that xata/iamp are both likely town) Also I would like to believe that if I was secretly passing on this information to scum, I would realize that our house's hp should not be something that I would want scum to get their hands on. Again trying to show scum didnt take the shot, but he is off here as its not 100% lords would finish him off, he could have come back shown himself uber pro town and lords not finish him, scum didnt want to take that chance and just get the almost free townie kill. Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 05:46 Grackaroni wrote:I really just look at everything that goes into the thread and makes assumptions from there, maybe not the best assumption with yamato being scum but still not a bad one. (besides Onegu has confirmed that I was right.) At the time I also think I believed they only elected Oberyn because of lore. jrkirby seemed pleasant enough, but we really didn't take about much of importance. -oberyn With my PMs I felt oberyn was town, jrkirby null, and null/scum on you as I only got 2 PMs from you -Onegu For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. -Yamato A lot of time being wasted on this supposed scum slip. On August 13 2013 00:04 Onegu wrote:On August 13 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
neither. i honestly believe this. for this game and future games we need to start plynching fake claimers so they stop doing it So should I be lynched also, why not actually scum hunt and try to win, once people figure out fakeclaiming is bad they will stop dont need to policy lynch them. I want clarification on this. You are saying fake claiming is bad but you didn't dissuade Oberyn from fakeclaiming and in fact went out of your way to fake claim yourself. If you truly believe this why did you fake claim? Again you either useing a few posts to jump to the conclusion or you were talking to yamato. Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 09:59 Grackaroni wrote:On August 16 2013 09:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
So you didn't bother reading the thread before pushing me? I pushed you while I was reading the thread, I skimmed your filter and saw no real thought process and lots of useless spam, and added with Iamp's read on you decided you were someone who had a good chance of flipping scum. Basicly you soft push him with laziness and ask other peoples opinions on him. Not some strong scum hunting. Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 10:57 Grackaroni wrote:
DI is not going to post any thought process for why I am scum, and frankly I don't think he has any. If Vivax does not flip red I will do everything in my power to see him lynched tomorrow. What happened to this, I know we had the red check, but after that. And you are a lord. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 07:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Shits going down. I'm content to lynch Johnnywup since we won't even get him in lord shots tonight and he has the best chance of anyone to flip scum.
I did use my pm's, I talked a whole bunch with Mocsta to try to get a better read on him because I wasn't confident he would flip scum when everybody else was throwing him to the wolves. I also talked a bit to Rayn and he seemed to be genuinely convinced Mocsta was scum so I don't think he is the best lynch for today,
##Vote: Johnnywup Yeah this is really bad, you trying to get town cred? Yoir last few posts were all how scummy mocsta was even without the red check, you were throwing him to the wolves in thread. And depending how close we are to lylo we are and only scum has this info, it is perfectly reasonable for scum to be pushimg a lynch strongly. So all of this, plus he comes in at the best times to make him look good, he doesnt post to much but he almost always had a good read on the thread like he is lurking a ton or just getting tldr from scum qt. Lynch him, try to shoot johnny. No matter what you arent going to have enough shots to kill someone during the night so get johnny low and we can finish him off later, but I think grack looks the worse of the 2. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +
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