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On August 08 2013 21:45 Clarity_nl wrote:Dandel you can come join my house, np. Koshi played pretty weirdly as town in Titanic so I wouldn't quite say he claimed scum. That said, he did say he was trolling to see how far he could take it without taking heat (and he was town, sigh. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:09 Xatalos wrote:
Heh, you don't need to convince me about that. I've already stated that I see no use in hiding House member lists. It just slows down scumhunting without likely any gain IMO. I hate to come back to this subject, but Xatalos could you explain how hiding house member lists slows scumhunting?
Take a look at how Koshi's member list + explanation has advanced scumhunting so far. Same can be said for grackaroni's member list, although to a much lesser degree. There are countless ways how more open information can enforce us to focus on scumhunting rather than speculation about the Houses.
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On August 08 2013 21:47 Acrofales wrote:Oh my, my speech is all garbled. I have fixed my stuttering problem with a swig of wine: Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:43 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 21:40 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm. Oats, I'm actually interested in this hidden bit of text within Acro's opening post. Why do you assume that your House members being "nice" makes them town? grackaroni was "nice" in our House, more so than gumshoe or me, yet he was the most scummy of us four. Precisely because he went with the flow and was so passive/reactive... or "nice". I'd even go so far as to say that some controversy is better than no controversy at all. Too much is too much though, like might be the case with House Baratheon. There was no hidden text in my opening speech. You calling it such is because you are realizing you bit off more than you could chew in calling it wishy-washy and bringing my attention to yourself. What, exactly, was HIDDEN about that phrase?
Sigh. It was a wishy-washy wall of text with no real content. The only thing I noticed worth repeating in all of that text was the vague question you addressed at Oats (which he or nobody else noticed -> "hidden"). I'm also still waiting, Oats.
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[QUOTE]On August 08 2013 22:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 08 2013 21:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 08 2013 21:40 Xatalos wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm.[/QUOTE]
Oats, I'm actually interested in this hidden bit of text within Acro's opening post. Why do you assume that your House members being "nice" makes them town? grackaroni was "nice" in our House, more so than gumshoe or me, yet he was the most scummy of us four. Precisely because he went with the flow and was so passive/reactive... or "nice". I'd even go so far as to say that some controversy is better than no controversy at all. Too much is too much though, like might be the case with House Baratheon.[/QUOTE]
By nice, I mean like not passive and shit. I dunno. Ok strongest thing is that discussion has been natural and so far no scumreads on anyone.
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Could you maybe post some quotes from your PM conversations or something? I have a hard time just taking your word that everything was nice and good. Unless it's an all-town House, which is unlikely, there has to be something fishy.
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On August 08 2013 22:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
im not even reading the failed quote posts.
fix that shit if you want anybody to see it.
On August 08 2013 22:03 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:40 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm. Oats, I'm actually interested in this hidden bit of text within Acro's opening post. Why do you assume that your House members being "nice" makes them town? grackaroni was "nice" in our House, more so than gumshoe or me, yet he was the most scummy of us four. Precisely because he went with the flow and was so passive/reactive... or "nice". I'd even go so far as to say that some controversy is better than no controversy at all. Too much is too much though, like might be the case with House Baratheon. By nice, I mean like not passive and shit. I dunno. Ok strongest thing is that discussion has been natural and so far no scumreads on anyone. Could you maybe post some quotes from your PM conversations or something? I have a hard time just taking your word that everything was nice and good. Unless it's an all-town House, which is unlikely, there has to be something fishy.
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On August 08 2013 22:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
Especially since your reason for invalidating sol from being lord was me calling him scum without giving you a reason.
So you claim you're listening to me blindly, but do what you do so you don't have to listen to me?
This is getting confusing. Koshi, could you explain your line of thought during N0 more clearly?
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On August 08 2013 22:11 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:10 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
im not even reading the failed quote posts.
fix that shit if you want anybody to see it. On August 08 2013 22:03 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:00 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:40 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm. Oats, I'm actually interested in this hidden bit of text within Acro's opening post. Why do you assume that your House members being "nice" makes them town? grackaroni was "nice" in our House, more so than gumshoe or me, yet he was the most scummy of us four. Precisely because he went with the flow and was so passive/reactive... or "nice". I'd even go so far as to say that some controversy is better than no controversy at all. Too much is too much though, like might be the case with House Baratheon. By nice, I mean like not passive and shit. I dunno. Ok strongest thing is that discussion has been natural and so far no scumreads on anyone. Could you maybe post some quotes from your PM conversations or something? I have a hard time just taking your word that everything was nice and good. Unless it's an all-town House, which is unlikely, there has to be something fishy. Sure, get me modkilled. Way to go. Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 11:07 DrParnassus wrote:
3 hours till game start. Two hours from now I will ask for silence and then begin sending out role pms. As stated earlier we are starting on N0, and nights are silent. Only in-house player to player pms are allowed during N0, there will be no other actions aside from pms and lord elections. You can only use TL Forum PMS for this. You aren't allowed to post logs of pms or copy and past any text/timestamps from a pm you received from either host or player. You are required to vote for the nightly election, do so by pm'ing this account.
I don't think small quotes from PM's matter? Or at least rephrasing what was said in your own words.
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On August 08 2013 22:17 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:12 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 21:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
So acro, any specifc questions? Do you think Yamato is a Blackfyre sympathist? not really no. Although, he could definetely play like this as scum, but I dont want to lynch him today come on, both you jaberring at each other like jib jubs is definitely more an indication that your both more likely to be town. Scum like to hide not fight.
What do you make of grackaroni's thread contributions so far, by the way?
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On August 08 2013 22:19 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:17 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 22:12 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
Especially since your reason for invalidating sol from being lord was me calling him scum without giving you a reason.
So you claim you're listening to me blindly, but do what you do so you don't have to listen to me? This is getting confusing. Koshi, could you explain your line of thought during N0 more clearly? Dandel does not want to work with s0lstice s0lstice does not want to work with DI ----> Koshi says he could be lord so they can both work with him. How is that not 100% logical? Funny thing is, a couple hours later for that exact same reason Chroma gets elected and DI is yelling at me....... Also, I told DI from the start that I didn't want to vote him because I knew how he played in NWM, so DI his response to that is that he will be killing Kush no matter what. because chrom was not an inconsistent passive-aggressive emo about it and actually tried to read other people at least A LITTLE not something you did so far.
Koshi's line of thought seems plausible from a town perspective. It's hard to say without seeing the PM's, but I don't see the overflowing scumminess that you see, Dandel Ion. How was Koshi inconsistent there?
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On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all.
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On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour.
A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.
The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much.
Koshi still better lynch tho.
Could you explain how Koshi was inconsistent in your PM conversations?
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On August 08 2013 22:44 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:38 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, lets roll back for a second.
Lets assume DI is an upstanding Baratheon, and not Blackfyre scum. The only reason Koshi would make a big deal over not voting for DI, inventing nonsensical reasons for voting for s0lstice is if they are both Blackfyre sympathisers.
If Koshi is a secret plotting rebel, but s0lstice isn't, then it's possible Koshi would make a stink, but it seems to serve no real purpose (unless the Blackfyres are irrationally afraid of DI).
If s0lstice is a secret plotting rebel, then he just duped Koshi. I guess this is plausible, but the main suspect here seems to be koshi, not s0lstice.
So what exactly is koshi's motivation for this debacle, unless s0lstice is a filthy Blackfyre rebellion together with him. So... what is more likely, DI: they are both scum, or you're all three loyal to the realm, but confused about each other?
I am assuming Chromatically is an unwitting bystander, because that's what this all seems like from over here. If he was more involved, please tell us about his role in this. well chrom has been bystanding basically just because he was afk so much. he did however not fail the test that koshi failed so spectacularily. cuz when I told chrom "sol is scum" in a oneliner without explanation he actually 1) asked for reasons 2) talked about the reasons 3) told me he was more suspicious of koshi instead and that i should look into him. 3) is a towntell in multiple ways which I won't go into right now so yeah chrom wasn't doing much but it's not like he was super shifty about it and he's (again) the only housie that showed interest in figuring out the players in the house.
I can see why you want to switch Houses 
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On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them.
Lurkers should also remember that there's a LOT of KP in the hands of the Lords and they will most likely be used against lurkers.
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On August 08 2013 22:48 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. People should certainly post in the thread who they want to lynch and that part shouldn't remain in pms or anything. I was just suggesting that it also be discussed in PMs so one Lord isn't overruling their entire house when it comes to who they should decide to vote. I'm still undecided on how the suggested kp target should be handled. People should certainly post who they think deserves to be shot and perhaps we can use a voting system to have everyone decide, rather than a few individuals, but I'm unsure what type of protective roles the mafia team may have. The kp seem to be instant so if the mafia protective roles aren't instant, this wouldn't be a concern.
I have a good method for deciding KP.
if (filter.length() < 3) {
Use KP
} else {
Save KP
}
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On August 08 2013 22:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:47 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. Lurkers should also remember that there's a LOT of KP in the hands of the Lords and they will most likely be used against lurkers. I, as a lord, don't even know how much KP is in my hands. I have prayed to the gods for more information. Not quite sure how you know it's a LOT.
According to the rules it's 1 KP per Lord per Day. 1 x 7 = 7 KP = a lot.
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On August 08 2013 22:51 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:39 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour.
A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.
The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much.
Koshi still better lynch tho. Could you explain how Koshi was inconsistent in your PM conversations? 1) says the best scumhunter should be lord 1.5) does not vote the best scumhunter, votes the last place he himself stated to share with chrom 2) says he and chrom are in similar positions/places 2.5) does not even think about electing chrom but wants himself only because "it's me lol", tries to threaten a no-lord voting because "i (=dandel) cant convince sol to vote with me anyways lololol", so he's basically tried to blackmail me into voting for him 3) says he doesn't want to be lord 3.5) suddenly wants to be lord, utterly unable to explain why 4) says he won't vote for me because I'm tunneling and won't vote solstice because "there is suspicion on him" (aforementioned oneliner without explanation lol)
4.5) doesn't really fit the numbering thing but this is basically a paradoxon because he's saying he won't listen to me, but won't vote the guy he wanted lord half the phase because I'm suspicious of him.4.6) If he wasn't listening to me, he wouldn't have listened period, but he's ran straight out of excuses and can't find any. 4.6.1) he probably thought I wouldn't notice because I was tunneling sol apparantly 4.7) at that point i wasn't even tunneling sol, but he didn't care to check that.
That's the part where it really looks bad out of your points. If he didn't trust you, why would he justify his reads with your opinions? I have to say that this list doesn't look too good for Koshi. At least he's here, participating in the discussion, but his N0 is looking shady.
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On August 08 2013 23:01 Acrofales wrote:
I was just told I have 1 KP. How did Xatalos know this already?
Well, what do you suggest? That I'm some 3P perma-Lord or what? I haven't read that part of the rules in ages, but I did ask about the KP once in the thread:
On July 29 2013 18:30 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, is the House Lord KP silent or announced?
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House KP is silent.
My mind probably tricked me into thinking that it was a single KP from that memory. It also makes a lot more sense than some multi-damaging KP. It's always been 1 KP before in my games.
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I'm happy with s0Lstice, more so than with Koshi. s0Lstice hasn't yet done anything besides undermining Dandel Ion during N0... And even lying according to Chrom... And not doing anything in the thread so far. Koshi has at least answered questions and explained his thoughts. It's not like he's been shown innocent, but out of these two, s0Lstice feels like the safer lynch.
gumshoe and grackaroni, where are you?
On August 09 2013 00:48 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 00:14 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 00:10 iamperfection wrote:On August 09 2013 00:09 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol Oberyn, did you even read my post?
Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town.. He justifies why the action is not anti-town based on the two scenarios I mentioned. It's probably not worth town cred, but there are better things to comment on in my opinion. he called two people scum entering the thread that isn't a "weak way to enter" I find not sharing an opinion on the Dandel/koshi situation weak. So it wasn´t my thoughts about Onegu that was weak after all? Why the sudden change of mind? If a player thinks an action is anti-town, they can´t possibly give someone town credit from it. You said that yourself. If you havn´t noticed i am following the Koshi/DI situation. I think DI is town. I am not sure about Koshi, but there is no point in everyone spamming questions to him in thread. what makes you think i am not trying to get more information on that matter? Why should i call Koshi town or mafia if i do not know what that rant with DI makes him? Its possible town is helping scum by doing something illogical. I can see town motivation for giving out house lists, even though I think it is anti town, there is no scum motivation for posting the list.
I fail to see how this makes Onegu scum. It might be a WIFOM play to post a House list as scum, but it's definitely nothing scummy in itself.
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By the way Clarity, you never responded to my response to your question (about the House member lists)?
snb, what makes Clarity scum from that PM event? What was the Mafia agenda? I can understand losing your trust in him, but it's not the same as being scum. Actually why would a scum want to lose your trust for no reason?
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On August 09 2013 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The thing with Clarity is this:
Townies do fuck up. Scum also do fuck up. Based only on the PM´s with him/SnB it´s impossible to tell if Clarity is mafia or not. However, when someone fucks up and there is no real explanation, it´s far more likely that it was scum who fucked up. My opinion is that if you do reaction tests you plan them out well. You don´t just throw stupid stuff there to "see what happens". It´s gonna fail, always.
Now this is what i told Oats earlier. This is exactly what i am talking about. There is some REDACTED dude whose identity/thoughts are not revealed, but he has some points why Clarity is town. If these points are valid, for example i am right now wasting my time with thinking about if we should lynch Clarity or not. WHY THE FUCK is it so hard to just stop this thing if you think it´s bullshit? Just because you don´t want to reveal you are in the same house with snb & clarity.
Guess what, you are wasting town´s time here. It´s anti-town. From all of you.
I agree completely. Just stop hiding the identities of people / Houses. It only hinders scumhunting at this point.
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