EPTOn August 13 2013 05:47 Xatalos wrote:
Lol. So we should kill the claimed cop who gave us scum on a silver platter? Think again.
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On August 13 2013 05:42 Risen wrote:
Sharrant
I don't know why I didn't see some really scummy things from Sharrant earlier. I was possibly tunneling my initial scum reads. Plus he's a claimed one shot cop.
Regardless... + Show Spoiler +
I crucified FT for just the same thing. Just because FT flipped town doesn't mean what he did was right. Similarly, what Sharrant is doing here is posting filler and trying to "get the thread back on track" without actually getting the thread back on track. You know what gets the thread back on track? You posting your thoughts on Acro and then asking for other people's opinions. What's the hardest thing for scum to do? Hunt for scum. Did Sharrant hunt scum anywhere at all this game through day 1? No. Instead we have him jump on the wagon and do nothing of any use. + Show Spoiler +
He suggests shooting yamato or nacho, but nacho's the stronger choice. Why? Where has he mentioned nacho at ALL up to this point? Where does he mention nacho again? Nowhere. No justification, no anything. Just him trying to shift shots from yamato to nacho.
So how does someone get their cred back? A "cop check". Despite a complete lack of scum hunting through d1, what is one way to "confirm" yourself green? A one shot red check on someone who appears scummy to the thread and is likely going to be shot. I've bussed the shit out of scum buddies before, it works. The buildup to a fake claim. + Show Spoiler +
Where is this case coming from? Why didn't you have this yesterday before we were lynching FT? You certainly didn't have any reservations, and even as a cop trying to lay low you should have given some sort of justification.
Now for the reveal. + Show Spoiler +
How this reads to me...
"Oh, I wasn't expecting to be revealed as a cop even though I told someone I couldn't possibly know was town I was a cop thereby potentially opening myself up to a kill from scum negating my entire role! In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target kush right after explaining to the thread that kush was initially a target and could possibly be scum and as I don't know acro is town he could very well have mafia kill me for that!"
If that isn't the worst explanation of something I have ever seen in a mafia game I don't know what is. He later says a scum Acro might have been trying to push him off Kush, but why not just kill you instead? Why doesn't scum look at that and say, "Well he claims to be one shot, but what if he can actually reuse the ability?" then kill him. A town cop doesn't not see this possibility. This only comes up when a scum team member trying to emulate a cop slips up. I don't know how it has slipped by the thread, but the final thing that bugs me about this post is how he says yamato is someone who was relatively out of the spotlight. I guarantee you ask anyone in this game or watching about a major event d1 and they'll say oats/yamato was something worth remembering.
I don't think this works with a town acro, and it makes me really suspicious that Sharrant comes to the defense of Acro here + Show Spoiler +
That hypothetical he weaves for acro's scum oriented play is just plain wrong as I've already explained. Now that Sharrant is "confirmed" and has sufficiently defended acro without going overboard, he slips away back into lurker land. Why do that if your one shot is gone? Why do that if you're still an active cop and just faking one shot? Scum already has to kill you they can't risk you getting more checks off if you're lying about one shot. Why? Because you're scum and you're not worried about getting night killed.
Sharrant
I don't know why I didn't see some really scummy things from Sharrant earlier. I was possibly tunneling my initial scum reads. Plus he's a claimed one shot cop.
Regardless... + Show Spoiler +
On August 10 2013 02:34 Sharrant wrote:
Talk to me about your scum read on Acrofales. I'm interested in this and it seems like a much more fruitful discussion than what has been going on for the last few pages.
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On August 10 2013 02:27 Oberyn wrote:
I think town should strongly try to influence the Lord elections for day two. I've bolded my preferred Lords. Please post if you disagree with my assessment.
House Tyrell:
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
Is it terrible that I'm picking the guy with one post? kush is a martyr so I wouldn't consider him. johnny is suspicious to several players, although I haven't spent much time on him yet and I have a scum read on Acro. I wish we had one of Dandel's house nukes.
House Greyjoy
raynpelikoneet
FirmTofu
Nachomamma8
Risen
I'm content with rayn staying as Lord based on activity.
House Stark
strongandbig
Clarity_nl
Oatsmaster
Vivax
This was a tough choice since most of these individuals are townish null. I'd like to see s&b's play today before making a final decision on this one.
House Lannister
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Gumshoe
Xatalos appears more town to me than iamp thus far. I don't like iamp's preferred house kp target and he hasn't done enough in the thread.
House Baratheon
Chromatically
Koshi
S0lstice
Dandel Ion
I would be pretty opposed to any of the other three at this point. Chrom has been pretty active in PMs.
House Martell
Oberyn
jrkirby
yamato77
Onegu
I feel I've been the most active among my house and I know my own alignment.
I think town should strongly try to influence the Lord elections for day two. I've bolded my preferred Lords. Please post if you disagree with my assessment.
House Tyrell:
Kushm4sta
johnnywup
Sharrant
Acrofales
Is it terrible that I'm picking the guy with one post? kush is a martyr so I wouldn't consider him. johnny is suspicious to several players, although I haven't spent much time on him yet and I have a scum read on Acro. I wish we had one of Dandel's house nukes.
House Greyjoy
raynpelikoneet
FirmTofu
Nachomamma8
Risen
I'm content with rayn staying as Lord based on activity.
House Stark
strongandbig
Clarity_nl
Oatsmaster
Vivax
This was a tough choice since most of these individuals are townish null. I'd like to see s&b's play today before making a final decision on this one.
House Lannister
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Gumshoe
Xatalos appears more town to me than iamp thus far. I don't like iamp's preferred house kp target and he hasn't done enough in the thread.
House Baratheon
Chromatically
Koshi
S0lstice
Dandel Ion
I would be pretty opposed to any of the other three at this point. Chrom has been pretty active in PMs.
House Martell
Oberyn
jrkirby
yamato77
Onegu
I feel I've been the most active among my house and I know my own alignment.
Talk to me about your scum read on Acrofales. I'm interested in this and it seems like a much more fruitful discussion than what has been going on for the last few pages.
I crucified FT for just the same thing. Just because FT flipped town doesn't mean what he did was right. Similarly, what Sharrant is doing here is posting filler and trying to "get the thread back on track" without actually getting the thread back on track. You know what gets the thread back on track? You posting your thoughts on Acro and then asking for other people's opinions. What's the hardest thing for scum to do? Hunt for scum. Did Sharrant hunt scum anywhere at all this game through day 1? No. Instead we have him jump on the wagon and do nothing of any use. + Show Spoiler +
On August 10 2013 10:21 Sharrant wrote:
The wagon of justice definitely has my support. I would vote with you if I could. I hope when Acrofales returns he'll place our house's vote there as well. His strange "my case is original" is definitely the most damning part in my eyes.
I think we should concentrate on where houses should be using their shots. We have four hours until we can no longer plan inter-house.
Since Acrofales is not here at the moment, I will be suggesting that he fire at either Yamato or Nacho, with Nacho being the stronger recommendation.
I think that 3 houses should be elected as shooters. And fire at three agreed upon targets. The remaining three houses will be assigned to each target, and if the target is not dead before day break, they should fire upon them. If the targets die, then they are free to pick their own targets.
The wagon of justice definitely has my support. I would vote with you if I could. I hope when Acrofales returns he'll place our house's vote there as well. His strange "my case is original" is definitely the most damning part in my eyes.
I think we should concentrate on where houses should be using their shots. We have four hours until we can no longer plan inter-house.
Since Acrofales is not here at the moment, I will be suggesting that he fire at either Yamato or Nacho, with Nacho being the stronger recommendation.
I think that 3 houses should be elected as shooters. And fire at three agreed upon targets. The remaining three houses will be assigned to each target, and if the target is not dead before day break, they should fire upon them. If the targets die, then they are free to pick their own targets.
So how does someone get their cred back? A "cop check". Despite a complete lack of scum hunting through d1, what is one way to "confirm" yourself green? A one shot red check on someone who appears scummy to the thread and is likely going to be shot. I've bussed the shit out of scum buddies before, it works. The buildup to a fake claim. + Show Spoiler +
On August 11 2013 15:06 Sharrant wrote:
At any rate, here's reason that you should've picked up on big time already. That whole argument with you at the beginning of the game was not Yamato playing as a townie. I watched you two basically get each other killed arguing with each other as town last time I played with both of you. Yamato has acted very similarly to how he has there, with the exception that he was always driving to make a point or do something useful last game. He was very disruptive, and frustrating, but purposeful and his actions had merit.
In this game he's basically just disrupted conversation, but done so without helping the town. He's been shutting people down, and causing arguments to stifle discussion. There's been nothing useful in his play.
He is mafia, guaranteed. Can you not see the difference in how he argued both games being on the receiving end of it both times?
At any rate, here's reason that you should've picked up on big time already. That whole argument with you at the beginning of the game was not Yamato playing as a townie. I watched you two basically get each other killed arguing with each other as town last time I played with both of you. Yamato has acted very similarly to how he has there, with the exception that he was always driving to make a point or do something useful last game. He was very disruptive, and frustrating, but purposeful and his actions had merit.
In this game he's basically just disrupted conversation, but done so without helping the town. He's been shutting people down, and causing arguments to stifle discussion. There's been nothing useful in his play.
He is mafia, guaranteed. Can you not see the difference in how he argued both games being on the receiving end of it both times?
Where is this case coming from? Why didn't you have this yesterday before we were lynching FT? You certainly didn't have any reservations, and even as a cop trying to lay low you should have given some sort of justification.
Now for the reveal. + Show Spoiler +
On August 11 2013 22:33 Sharrant wrote:
Well, I wasn't quite expecting to be revealed so quickly.
I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush.
After I brought up framing he suggested that Kush might be too high profile, and that I should check Koshi or Ace. I think both of those are fairly legitimate suggestions. It seems less likely that Acro is mafia because he was suggesting more people to check that are in positions where a check would be very good.
An alternative is that Acro is mafia, and they have no framer like role, so he wanted to push me off a mafia Kush, but I find this unlikely.
At the end of the day you're left with a red check on Yamato, someone relatively out of the spotlight and not a likely choice for framers. And as I stated, his argumentative nature in this game is quite different from how it is when he's arguing as a town member.
Well, I wasn't quite expecting to be revealed so quickly.
I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush.
After I brought up framing he suggested that Kush might be too high profile, and that I should check Koshi or Ace. I think both of those are fairly legitimate suggestions. It seems less likely that Acro is mafia because he was suggesting more people to check that are in positions where a check would be very good.
An alternative is that Acro is mafia, and they have no framer like role, so he wanted to push me off a mafia Kush, but I find this unlikely.
At the end of the day you're left with a red check on Yamato, someone relatively out of the spotlight and not a likely choice for framers. And as I stated, his argumentative nature in this game is quite different from how it is when he's arguing as a town member.
How this reads to me...
"Oh, I wasn't expecting to be revealed as a cop even though I told someone I couldn't possibly know was town I was a cop thereby potentially opening myself up to a kill from scum negating my entire role! In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target kush right after explaining to the thread that kush was initially a target and could possibly be scum and as I don't know acro is town he could very well have mafia kill me for that!"
If that isn't the worst explanation of something I have ever seen in a mafia game I don't know what is. He later says a scum Acro might have been trying to push him off Kush, but why not just kill you instead? Why doesn't scum look at that and say, "Well he claims to be one shot, but what if he can actually reuse the ability?" then kill him. A town cop doesn't not see this possibility. This only comes up when a scum team member trying to emulate a cop slips up. I don't know how it has slipped by the thread, but the final thing that bugs me about this post is how he says yamato is someone who was relatively out of the spotlight. I guarantee you ask anyone in this game or watching about a major event d1 and they'll say oats/yamato was something worth remembering.
I don't think this works with a town acro, and it makes me really suspicious that Sharrant comes to the defense of Acro here + Show Spoiler +
On August 12 2013 23:25 Sharrant wrote:
@oats/acro
I think we can agree that waiting would have been the ideal move rather than outing me publicly. Outing me to the thread doesn't seem scum motivated to me though. Oats, you're chasing sub optimal play as if it were scum oriented play.
Scum oriented play: pretend to have been gone after reading the pm, reveal it to the scum qt. Have yamato drop real wifom bombs before he was "caught" and have members of the scum team express suspicion of him in preparation for the reveal of the red check. Then tell the other lords.
Acro's handling of the situation is bad if he is scum, and acceptable but sub optimal as town. At worst that he revealed is null, at best it's kind of townie.
@koshi
Why would you even ask that? You've also discounted all the possibilities of a vig that is not instant kill. What if he too only has one kp? What if he has 3? Why haven't you discussed that? Why assume he has anywhere around the 7ish we knew were required to kill gum shoe?
@oats/acro
I think we can agree that waiting would have been the ideal move rather than outing me publicly. Outing me to the thread doesn't seem scum motivated to me though. Oats, you're chasing sub optimal play as if it were scum oriented play.
Scum oriented play: pretend to have been gone after reading the pm, reveal it to the scum qt. Have yamato drop real wifom bombs before he was "caught" and have members of the scum team express suspicion of him in preparation for the reveal of the red check. Then tell the other lords.
Acro's handling of the situation is bad if he is scum, and acceptable but sub optimal as town. At worst that he revealed is null, at best it's kind of townie.
@koshi
Why would you even ask that? You've also discounted all the possibilities of a vig that is not instant kill. What if he too only has one kp? What if he has 3? Why haven't you discussed that? Why assume he has anywhere around the 7ish we knew were required to kill gum shoe?
That hypothetical he weaves for acro's scum oriented play is just plain wrong as I've already explained. Now that Sharrant is "confirmed" and has sufficiently defended acro without going overboard, he slips away back into lurker land. Why do that if your one shot is gone? Why do that if you're still an active cop and just faking one shot? Scum already has to kill you they can't risk you getting more checks off if you're lying about one shot. Why? Because you're scum and you're not worried about getting night killed.
Lol. So we should kill the claimed cop who gave us scum on a silver platter? Think again.
Did you even read it....
On August 13 2013 05:49 Oberyn wrote:
lol I just wasted 30 minutes looking through PMs from rayn looking for connections from a "confirmed scum" -_-
lol I just wasted 30 minutes looking through PMs from rayn looking for connections from a "confirmed scum" -_-
Sorry about that!
