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On August 13 2013 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote: "Dude you look like scum, here let me help you fix that" as opposed to "Dude you look like scum, you're scum!" It's one of those things that happens so often from town it's not really an indicator, so I tell people whenever I can not to post shit like that. | ||
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On August 13 2013 01:49 Chromatically wrote: Risen said in PMs that Vivax was his #1 scumread, but his reasoning was pretty much only "he was noncommittal on FT". Hence why I want him to elaborate, There's really no elaboration. I just feel like his posting indicates that he knows too much. | ||
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On August 13 2013 02:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Risen when asked what happened to your opening giant post and what you still believe in you gave a very generic answer. Could you just like, take the 5 names you said were scum and tell us your current reads on them? For reference: Oats Dl Xata Grack Clarity unsure was only scum b/c of connection to xatalos unsure scum scum | ||
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On August 13 2013 02:22 Clarity_nl wrote: The extent of what I know of your read on rayn is about the same as what I know of all your other reads: Care to elaborate? It's not a read. | ||
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On August 13 2013 04:03 Xatalos wrote: Hmmmm. What? Actually you thought I was scum (in big part) because I had a "connection" to DI, not the other way around. How come I know your reads better than you do yourself.....? Back and negative. He was only first in the post because his filter is first on the front page post. | ||
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I'm twisting nothing, you just simply aren't understanding. | ||
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On August 13 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Risen where's your promised giant post after lunch? Building it while simultaneously keeping up with PMs and such. Currently reading filters and sorting things. | ||
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And you're still not seeing the point of what you bolded Xata. If you had responded to anyone else like that my response would have been the same. | ||
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Replace Dandel Ion in Koshi's post with any other person in this game. You respond with, "Oh XYZ... Are you scum again? What's your take on this post?" and I say the exact same thing replacing Dandel Ion with XYZ. Are you making this useless post distancing yourself from XYZ for when XYZ flips scum? | ||
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"was only scum b/c of connection to xatalos unsure" Right? | ||
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Something that bothers me is that there wasn't really ever a response to my last case. Just a bunch of that's stupid posts along with he's crazy town now. People are now suspecting DI openly in thread. Why? Why now when you didn't respond to my case before? | ||
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On August 13 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote: Yes. 1) You never based your scumread on DI to any connection. 2) Even if you did, there were plenty of other reasons in your post. There's no consistent town logic here. What is town logic? Acting to benefit town and hunt scum is the only "logic" there should be. That only applies to how the individual is thinking at any given time. Too often people in these games get wrapped up in, "oh I can't see why he would do that" without realizing they only see the game from one perspective. Every town player will act in what he thinks benefits town most at any given time. Any scum player will try to appear as town as possible, and will therefor attempt to emulate your "town logic". I can not understand people who make arguments based on town logic and town motivation. "Where's the scum motivation in X doing Y"? Well maybe X did Y so you would say that. I'm going back to building my cases. | ||
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The whole thing with rayne was an attempt at getting the thread to react. Everyone reacted, and I was going to use those reactions in my cases, but then I stumbled upon this. So I'm sorry for wasting people's time. | ||
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I don't know why I didn't see some really scummy things from Sharrant earlier. I was possibly tunneling my initial scum reads. Plus he's a claimed one shot cop. Regardless... + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2013 02:34 Sharrant wrote: Talk to me about your scum read on Acrofales. I'm interested in this and it seems like a much more fruitful discussion than what has been going on for the last few pages. I crucified FT for just the same thing. Just because FT flipped town doesn't mean what he did was right. Similarly, what Sharrant is doing here is posting filler and trying to "get the thread back on track" without actually getting the thread back on track. You know what gets the thread back on track? You posting your thoughts on Acro and then asking for other people's opinions. What's the hardest thing for scum to do? Hunt for scum. Did Sharrant hunt scum anywhere at all this game through day 1? No. Instead we have him jump on the wagon and do nothing of any use. + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2013 10:21 Sharrant wrote: The wagon of justice definitely has my support. I would vote with you if I could. I hope when Acrofales returns he'll place our house's vote there as well. His strange "my case is original" is definitely the most damning part in my eyes. I think we should concentrate on where houses should be using their shots. We have four hours until we can no longer plan inter-house. Since Acrofales is not here at the moment, I will be suggesting that he fire at either Yamato or Nacho, with Nacho being the stronger recommendation. I think that 3 houses should be elected as shooters. And fire at three agreed upon targets. The remaining three houses will be assigned to each target, and if the target is not dead before day break, they should fire upon them. If the targets die, then they are free to pick their own targets. So how does someone get their cred back? A "cop check". Despite a complete lack of scum hunting through d1, what is one way to "confirm" yourself green? A one shot red check on someone who appears scummy to the thread and is likely going to be shot. I've bussed the shit out of scum buddies before, it works. The buildup to a fake claim. + Show Spoiler + On August 11 2013 15:06 Sharrant wrote: At any rate, here's reason that you should've picked up on big time already. That whole argument with you at the beginning of the game was not Yamato playing as a townie. I watched you two basically get each other killed arguing with each other as town last time I played with both of you. Yamato has acted very similarly to how he has there, with the exception that he was always driving to make a point or do something useful last game. He was very disruptive, and frustrating, but purposeful and his actions had merit. In this game he's basically just disrupted conversation, but done so without helping the town. He's been shutting people down, and causing arguments to stifle discussion. There's been nothing useful in his play. He is mafia, guaranteed. Can you not see the difference in how he argued both games being on the receiving end of it both times? Where is this case coming from? Why didn't you have this yesterday before we were lynching FT? You certainly didn't have any reservations, and even as a cop trying to lay low you should have given some sort of justification. Now for the reveal. + Show Spoiler + On August 11 2013 22:33 Sharrant wrote: Well, I wasn't quite expecting to be revealed so quickly. I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush. After I brought up framing he suggested that Kush might be too high profile, and that I should check Koshi or Ace. I think both of those are fairly legitimate suggestions. It seems less likely that Acro is mafia because he was suggesting more people to check that are in positions where a check would be very good. An alternative is that Acro is mafia, and they have no framer like role, so he wanted to push me off a mafia Kush, but I find this unlikely. At the end of the day you're left with a red check on Yamato, someone relatively out of the spotlight and not a likely choice for framers. And as I stated, his argumentative nature in this game is quite different from how it is when he's arguing as a town member. How this reads to me... "Oh, I wasn't expecting to be revealed as a cop even though I told someone I couldn't possibly know was town I was a cop thereby potentially opening myself up to a kill from scum negating my entire role! In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target kush right after explaining to the thread that kush was initially a target and could possibly be scum and as I don't know acro is town he could very well have mafia kill me for that!" If that isn't the worst explanation of something I have ever seen in a mafia game I don't know what is. He later says a scum Acro might have been trying to push him off Kush, but why not just kill you instead? Why doesn't scum look at that and say, "Well he claims to be one shot, but what if he can actually reuse the ability?" then kill him. A town cop doesn't not see this possibility. This only comes up when a scum team member trying to emulate a cop slips up. I don't know how it has slipped by the thread, but the final thing that bugs me about this post is how he says yamato is someone who was relatively out of the spotlight. I guarantee you ask anyone in this game or watching about a major event d1 and they'll say oats/yamato was something worth remembering. I don't think this works with a town acro, and it makes me really suspicious that Sharrant comes to the defense of Acro here + Show Spoiler + On August 12 2013 23:25 Sharrant wrote: @oats/acro I think we can agree that waiting would have been the ideal move rather than outing me publicly. Outing me to the thread doesn't seem scum motivated to me though. Oats, you're chasing sub optimal play as if it were scum oriented play. Scum oriented play: pretend to have been gone after reading the pm, reveal it to the scum qt. Have yamato drop real wifom bombs before he was "caught" and have members of the scum team express suspicion of him in preparation for the reveal of the red check. Then tell the other lords. Acro's handling of the situation is bad if he is scum, and acceptable but sub optimal as town. At worst that he revealed is null, at best it's kind of townie. @koshi Why would you even ask that? You've also discounted all the possibilities of a vig that is not instant kill. What if he too only has one kp? What if he has 3? Why haven't you discussed that? Why assume he has anywhere around the 7ish we knew were required to kill gum shoe? That hypothetical he weaves for acro's scum oriented play is just plain wrong as I've already explained. Now that Sharrant is "confirmed" and has sufficiently defended acro without going overboard, he slips away back into lurker land. Why do that if your one shot is gone? Why do that if you're still an active cop and just faking one shot? Scum already has to kill you they can't risk you getting more checks off if you're lying about one shot. Why? Because you're scum and you're not worried about getting night killed. | ||
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