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On August 10 2013 06:30 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:22 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 06:14 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 06:11 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 06:09 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:45 Grackaroni wrote:On August 10 2013 05:38 Chromatically wrote:On August 10 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read Crackaroni as the exact opposite compared to Chromatically, based on that post.
Why is that a non-contribution Chrom? How is it a contribution? There's no scumhunting and doesn't help town at all. I would expect town to post the part on iamp and try to do some pressure, or jump on something in the thread, but listing your house and giving townreads is useless. I gave what I thought about Iamp in the post and I pressured him in pm's as well, and how many first posts involve scumhunting? What about Koshi makes him your 2nd scum read? Koshi has been posting, but doesn't seem like he cares about the lynch at all. He's halfheartedly pushed Oats, and that's it. Kirby and Onegu have similar problems, posting without caring about the lynch and not contributing. And why choose me as your first target for defending s0lstice, when I have shown at least to some extent that I do care about the lynch? Because of your bad first post and weird Solstice defense. It also got a reaction from you that I liked. But my first post wan't really bad and I don't get how the s0lstice defense makes me mafia. I did put in the effort to have a go at making a case on kirby even though it got shot down. That didn't get factored into your read of me? The order of your suspicions are important to me, because right now I think that Koshi looks a lot better than Kirby or Onegu, and oftentimes I believe scum like to call out other scum in their posts and place them in a group of people they would consider lynching and then choose townies to be slightly more scummy. That way later on they can point out that they were suspicious of the scum. I don't agree with you thinking me or Koshi is more suspicious than onegu/kirby right now. Your first post was bad, I'd consider it the scummiest first post in the thread, and the Sol defense didn't make sense from a town POV until you explained it. I did factor your Kirby case in. I'm not convinced on any of them. Why do you think that Koshi looks better?
He's actually giving reads, seems genuinely frustrated and I think he he had some problems in house chat which has made the game harder for him to play and I have certainly been there before myself.
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Sometimes when you just get picked apart from the start you really do just lose motivation as town.
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On August 10 2013 06:40 Chromatically wrote:
I'm going to be in a car for a few hours, I'll make a decision then.
##Unvote
If you are town, I suggest a vote on onegu or jrkirby. Consider what I said about Koshi
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On August 11 2013 14:15 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey someone's house doesnt have a lord.
What does this mean?
It means Oats cannot count
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We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town...
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On August 11 2013 14:26 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Why are you giving this info out?
you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway
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On August 11 2013 14:29 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 14:26 Onegu wrote:On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Why are you giving this info out? you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway Yeah letting scum know exactly how many KP to use doesnt make a a difference
you're right that was stupid.
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On August 11 2013 14:34 Chromatically wrote:
What did you think was the town benefit of saying that?
none really. I saw Onegu asking questions about it and got an urge to answer.
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to be fair if there's any scum in the lords they already knew that the kp direct at gumshoe had to be > 6 so hopefully it shouldn't cause too enormous of an impact.
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Yes. I did consider this as well after i said that in thread but more likely he was shot additionally by a townie with kp. Scum could have gotten a free lynch from Gumshoe today...
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On August 11 2013 15:19 Oberyn wrote:
I've got to get to bed and I'm not sure I'll be able to be very active the first half of the cycle, but something that comes to mind:
gumshoe has 7 kp.
The Lords shoot 6 kp, meaning the mafia likely finished him off.
4 players knew it would take a single kp to finish off gumshoe. The mafia obviously aren't going to spend more kp than they have to on a 2 post inactive like gumshoe.
Extreme FOS to the players who had knowledge of his hp check.
Actually now that I think about it, it's the exact opposite of that. Mafia have no kills most likely because they spread out their kp towards too many targets and didn't expect us to have 7 hp. So if the people such as myself who knew of the hp check were mafia there would be dead townies today aside from Gumshoe.
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On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now.
Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over.
Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7.
One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum:
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well?
Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms?
Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote.
Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone.
In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night.
Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum :
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had.
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On August 11 2013 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now.
Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over.
Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7.
One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum:
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well?
Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. What the fuck. You actually believe this? Explain why scum would kill gumshoe, with what reasoning. You think that scum didn't know how much hp a townie had (and therefore lannisters are clean) because they killed gumshoe and no one else? You're telling me you think they focused all their kp on GUMSHOE?!?!?!?
I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts :
On August 10 2013 11:19 gumshoe wrote:
Hey, I'm alive, been busy, ill vote tofu as well.
On August 10 2013 11:20 gumshoe wrote:
## vote tofu
Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me.
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On August 11 2013 17:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote:On August 11 2013 17:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Alright so grack just put info in the thread recklessly. At least we can talk about it now.
Everyone in that house seems to have 7 hp, iamp revealed the hp check result to his house before night was over.
Then gumshoe died in the nightpost.
House kp is likely 1. The people of that house's hp was likely 7.
One of scum heard about gumshoe having 1 hp and finished him off, and put their other kp somewhere else, which was either blocked or not enough to kill.
Logical conclusion, at least one person in this house is scum:
iamperfection
Xatalos
Grackaroni
Scum had no reason to target gumshoe otherwise. (although even with him having 1 hp, they had no real reason to kill him if they thought their kp couldn't kill a second person, making it more likely the other kp got blocked?)
I'm interested, could anyone in house Lannister tell us who gumshoe was voting for? iamp as well?
Did he show suspicion of anyone in pms? Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. What the fuck. You actually believe this? Explain why scum would kill gumshoe, with what reasoning. You think that scum didn't know how much hp a townie had (and therefore lannisters are clean) because they killed gumshoe and no one else? You're telling me you think they focused all their kp on GUMSHOE?!?!?!? I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts : On August 10 2013 11:19 gumshoe wrote:
Hey, I'm alive, been busy, ill vote tofu as well. On August 10 2013 11:20 gumshoe wrote:
## vote tofu Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me. Because he died in the nightpost. Unless you think a townrole vigi'd gumshoe after being aware that the lords were going to kp gumshoe? If I were a townrole with kp I'd ask my lord who they were gonna kp. If I were a lord AND a blue with kp I wouldn't waste my role on killing the guy who just took 6 houses (this is an assumption) worth of kp. I agree that iamp and xata have looked town, but please explain a scenario where all of you are town.
That is a good point, maybe someone not so communicative made the shot idk. But answer me this.
If I'm scum and I messaged somebody that gumshoe is 1 kp from death, don't you think I would have told them how much hp iamp/xatalos had and they would have used the correct amount of kp and there would be somebody else dead besides gumshoe? (Xatalos and Iamp both come to mind as good targets)
Aside from that... I'm in Gumshoe's house... I sent him a polite PM asking him if he could skim the thread and pm his thoughts because he would surely die in the night immediately after he posted in thread. He wasn't interested enough to pm me back. He clearly isn't coming back and is just going to be a nuisance to town.
Why do I kill him?
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On August 11 2013 18:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Because he's 1 hp and if one of you is scum it makes it easier to elect yourself? Because he might be blue? (less likely)
Like I said, I dunno where the rest of scum's kp went, but it either got blocked or they spread it out to kill 4 people n2 or whatever.
that's 1 hp town would be forced to use the subsequent night to get rid of him.
I was not going to be made lord with or without gumshoe, and gumshoe is the only person who would possibly have voted for me due to his lack of posts. (Realize I post only in defense of myself because were are both in agreement that xata/iamp are both likely town)
Also I would like to believe that if I was secretly passing on this information to scum, I would realize that our house's hp should not be something that I would want scum to get their hands on.
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If no townie comes forward and claims the shot to their lord then I will consider that somebody slipped it. But right now I doubt it.
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On August 11 2013 18:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
Do you think it's more likely that scum targeted gumshoe without knowing his hp?
Or is it more likely that scum realized gumshoe had 1 hp so they just used 1kp out of like the (random guess) 12-20 they have?
If you're scum and you become aware of someone who's not scum being killable with hardly any downside, why not kill him.
Especially since you're in his house, meaning you only have to convince one person to make you lord now, instead of two.
He could be replaced, he could be a blue. No reason to overthink it.
The rest of scum kp could have easily hit a high hp townie or been blocked. There's 0 reason to think they would stack kp on gumshoe.
But you aren't reading my posts. I have never contended that scum randomly stacked lots of kp on gumshoe.
What I've been saying earlier is they have 12-20 kp. Nobody is dead. My belief is not that it's all blocked but that they weren't sure how much hp we had so they might have spread maybe 5kp to 3 players resulting in no dead town.
I've been the black sheep of the house between xata/perfect all game. Getting rid of gumshoe wouldn't make me lord lol.
What good is a blue with no town-cred and absolutely no interest in the game? he's a nuisance to town.
If there is no town that killed him then yes, it's much more likely that it was leaked and scum killed him for having 1 hp rather than using real amounts of kp on him. But I'm confident enough in xata/perfects alignments that I'm quite sure it was a town shot.
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On August 11 2013 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 18:46 Ace wrote:
I've already stated I dont have any strong reads yet.
@Oats: Explain how my reasoning is bad. your reasoning is 'there may not be scum in every house' Thats bad. Really bad.
Whar's bad about that? for all we know house tyrell could be all scum.
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On August 11 2013 18:54 Xatalos wrote:
Here is my Onegu reasoning if you're wondering:
Okay, so: I suggest you go to Nuclear Winter Mafia and open Onegu's filter (he was town). I think there are similarities here (somewhat lacking activity level, somewhat passive behaviour etc.). There are also some posts like this that make me believe he's town: "This is every jrkirby game, check out bluelightz for the most recent example, he is lynch bait in every game." Seems like an honest and spontaneous opinion that doesn't fit with a Mafia mindset.
It feels like he's a bit less aggressive and more "protective" (giving townreads etc.) so it's not all the same. Do you think he's playing to his town meta? I think it's pretty close but there could be a small difference... Maybe that means he's scum this time around. But I'd still lean on town for now.
TLDR: probably town
What's the point of using meta if you don't look at scum games too?
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