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Mocsta, you're not modkilled yet. I can't risk my perfect history of never being warned/banned/modkilled/etc. on any website by PMing :/
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On August 18 2013 01:30 s0Lstice wrote:
what is he saying?
also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier?
Can't say, it would be cheating I guess?
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On August 18 2013 01:30 s0Lstice wrote:
what is he saying?
also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier?
What do you refer to with Risen vs Xatalos?
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On August 17 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 23:08 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, who do you propose outside of snb/Mocsta/johnnywup? Mocsta and johnnywup are half-dead so no point in lynching them. Really you have to ask him? You not been following? Also I shared info I had how come I dont get to bee a seal? Second risen was pushing a sharrant lynch hard in thread and thats who he wanted dead in PMs also.
Sorry, but you lack info about a couple of things to be considered one of us seals :/
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On August 18 2013 01:45 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
To get back to the actual game.......
I think it's safest to lynch Sharrant now. Even if there's a small chance of being framed, miller etc.... It's just pretty unlikely. AND Sharrant hasn't really done anything in addition to using(?) his role. It's simply starting to look like this was some sort of scum powerplay.
And johnnywup should be shot tonight.
Unless there's some sort of penalty to town for what Mocsta did? Dunno. Gotta wait for hosts to make a judgement call I guess. What do you think about the "even day HP check" thing?
Possible, even though somewhat odd. I guess we'll see the truth once he flips.
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On August 18 2013 01:49 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:47 Xatalos wrote:On August 18 2013 01:45 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
To get back to the actual game.......
I think it's safest to lynch Sharrant now. Even if there's a small chance of being framed, miller etc.... It's just pretty unlikely. AND Sharrant hasn't really done anything in addition to using(?) his role. It's simply starting to look like this was some sort of scum powerplay.
And johnnywup should be shot tonight.
Unless there's some sort of penalty to town for what Mocsta did? Dunno. Gotta wait for hosts to make a judgement call I guess. What do you think about the "even day HP check" thing? Possible, even though somewhat odd. I guess we'll see the truth once he flips. ha I think he's the second best lynch because of the unlikeliness of Mocsta framed/miller, but I think the scenario where he's scum is fairly unlikely too.
I think we'll just have to lynch Sharrant now. Mocsta's actions have made it pretty likely a fake claim and we can't really trust him anymore (it's not helping that he keeps posting small posts here and there without really participating in the discussion - or his odd PM silence yesterday). Him flipping scum would also somewhat redeem Risen and implicate Acro. It really just makes sense to lynch him now.
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On August 18 2013 01:53 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:43 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:20 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 01:10 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:02 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 00:50 Chromatically wrote:Lynch Risen today? In addition to everything I said yesterday, there's the Vivax association. Risen calls Vivax a scumread in PMs, but doesn't have coherent reasons for it (scum don't want to read their scumbuddies). And, he never pushes Vivax in thread and only consolidates onto the vote when the lynch is clear.
As far as Sharrant goes, what do you think about this?
So your idea is that Sharrant, before bussing his scumbuddy yamato, FAKECLAIMED cop to Acro to ask for his opinion? And he was just going to hope that Acro suggested yamato, so that way he could LIE and say he was checking kush, before actually bussing yamato???
I think this is highly unlikely if Sharrant is scum. It's a dumb move for town, but I can't see scum doing this with a town Acro. Maybe it's a big play where they're both scum, but that's just unnecessary. I also don't see why scum would invent the "HP check even days". I agree that it's unlikely that Mocsta was framed, but I think it's less likely that Sharrant is faking all of this. Obviously irrelevant if he flips miller. Yes, I agree that it would be pretty outrageous from a scum Sharrant and town Acro point of view. I don't think it would be that crazy if they were both scum. Scum do what they think will make them win. Anyway, I don't really love pre-flip connections. The bolded isn't entirely true. Risen voted and said the lynch was Vivax right around when I did, and I was at the very beginning of the wagon. He didn't push it all that hard, but to say he consolidated when it was clear isn't entirely right. I'm not a fan of preflip connections either, but this isn't one. I don't see a reason for Sharrant to do this as scum either way, It's possible, but there's just no benefit. That's true, I was going from memory on "lynch in the clear". The main point is that he had a large scumread on Vivax ("#1"), but he never pushed it in-thread, even when he was on the lynch. He voted SnB and Sharrant before actually voting Vivax. Hmm. I do agree that it isn't the likely scenario on Sharrant. I would really feel a lot better though if I had any sort of notion that he cared about the game outside of his checks. On Risen, I think he was super unsure. It's just like the s&b discussion earlier. His vote and his interests are all over the place, and he will be pushing multiple things in a short period of time. Really difficult to say as we would typically that this guy is scum for not pushing his #1 scum read, because what does #1 scum read really mean for Risen if it lasts all of 5 minutes? If we really assume that Risen changes his reads every 5 minutes, then it'll be impossible to tell if he's scum. Any time he has a read contradiction, someone can say "he does that as town too". It just invalidates all his reads. Scum Risen could literally say any read he wanted to for no reason and he would get away with it.He had a unreasoned scumread on Vivax that he never pushed. That is a clear association that doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Add to that everything else he's done that doesn't make sense from anyone thinking about the game. On August 18 2013 01:30 s0Lstice wrote:
what is he saying?
also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier? I did, and I don't think it's alignment indicative. I can't see the PMs in question, so I don't know exactly what made you think that Risen forgot about the Vivax lynch, but I think it could very easily be Risen just assuming that Vivax was done for, instead of actually forgetting. He just really wants to push Xat, so he sends out the PMs, assuming that everyone would understand he was talking about tomorrow (given that Vivax is already dead). And then he sends out the second round just to make sure everyone knew. yup pretty much. he's really hard to read because of how erratic he is. So to make this public knowledge, Risen PMed me after Vivax made his claim thing saying he wanted to lynch Xatalos. This is shortly after posting in the thread something along the lines of Xatalos=bad. He then immediately sent a PM after saying 'oh oops nevermind we gotta lynch Vivax today.' Scum Risen knows Vivax is on his team, and hence would be pretty concerned with what side of this issue he ends up on. Why would he rock the boat like this as scum and muddy the waters after already being on the correct side of the Vivax wagon? How does this action improve his situation? It's crazy as town too, but the flakiness and carelessness of the action makes the town side a lot more likely.
....................... Sigh. Risen, are you just stupid or an unbelievably chaotic scum?
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I have to wonder, though... If Sharrant and Vivax are both scum, why did Vivax push for Sharrant yesterday? That would mean that this scumteam has been INCREDIBLY bus-focused. Although Vivax didn't *really* push Sharrant, unlike Risen, so it could be just a soft bus without real meaning of getting him lynched.
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Since there are only 4 Lords left, is lynching possible anymore? Or is it still the majority of these 4 Lords?
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On August 18 2013 02:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
I dunno, vivax pushed yamato and he turned out to be scum. Did he push anyone else this game?
Long live bussing your teammates I guess...........
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On August 18 2013 02:03 strongandbig wrote:I'm having trouble getting back into the game when we don't know how the hosts are gonna resolve this mocsta situation. Let me say what I said to Clarity about Risen. I don't want to lynch him today. Show nested quote +
re: risen: he was the second actual vote onto vivax, I believe, at a point when I was still strongly leading in votes. He could have kept his vote on Sharrant and hoped the vivax momentum would not build and I would still be the inertia candidate. I would have called him scum for that but imo he was not getting nearly as much heat as he deserved for his tunnel.
For him to actually switch his vote back onto me would have been more difficult, since he'd already unvoted me. Vivax was close to giving up at that point, although I think Risen's vote came before his lolclaim, so a bus is not completely out of the question.
I still think Risen's filter looks scummy as fuck, especially day 1 and the entire sharrant tunnel where he ignored sharrant's answers to his question. but this vote switch is a pretty big deal, so i'm willing to officially move my read on risen from "certain scum" to "null, don't want to lynch right now".
I'm not willing to give him a townread yet just for one vote, when I still really dislike his filter in general, but it's enough to move my read significantly. Unless I find a stronger scumread tonight, I think I will be pushing for a johnnywup lynch tomorrow.
I want to kill jwup today. Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 00:19 Sharrant wrote:On August 18 2013 00:16 s0Lstice wrote:
well this is very interesting..
i have a strong urge to kill sharrant Do tell. And I'm saying it again, I'm pretty sure Johnny is town. why. seriously. if you have a green check on him, there's no reason not to say it now. although you can't have a green check on account of both of your alignment checks have been red and you say you alternate between alignment and hp checks. anything short of that and i'm going to demand very detailed reasons for it.
Yeah, I'm anxious to get this situation resolved ASAP as well.
johnnywup is on low HP and will be shot. Who else would you want to lynch?
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On August 18 2013 02:04 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2013 01:56 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 18 2013 01:53 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 01:43 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:20 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 01:10 Chromatically wrote:On August 18 2013 01:02 s0Lstice wrote:On August 18 2013 00:50 Chromatically wrote:Lynch Risen today? In addition to everything I said yesterday, there's the Vivax association. Risen calls Vivax a scumread in PMs, but doesn't have coherent reasons for it (scum don't want to read their scumbuddies). And, he never pushes Vivax in thread and only consolidates onto the vote when the lynch is clear.
As far as Sharrant goes, what do you think about this?
So your idea is that Sharrant, before bussing his scumbuddy yamato, FAKECLAIMED cop to Acro to ask for his opinion? And he was just going to hope that Acro suggested yamato, so that way he could LIE and say he was checking kush, before actually bussing yamato???
I think this is highly unlikely if Sharrant is scum. It's a dumb move for town, but I can't see scum doing this with a town Acro. Maybe it's a big play where they're both scum, but that's just unnecessary. I also don't see why scum would invent the "HP check even days". I agree that it's unlikely that Mocsta was framed, but I think it's less likely that Sharrant is faking all of this. Obviously irrelevant if he flips miller. Yes, I agree that it would be pretty outrageous from a scum Sharrant and town Acro point of view. I don't think it would be that crazy if they were both scum. Scum do what they think will make them win. Anyway, I don't really love pre-flip connections. The bolded isn't entirely true. Risen voted and said the lynch was Vivax right around when I did, and I was at the very beginning of the wagon. He didn't push it all that hard, but to say he consolidated when it was clear isn't entirely right. I'm not a fan of preflip connections either, but this isn't one. I don't see a reason for Sharrant to do this as scum either way, It's possible, but there's just no benefit. That's true, I was going from memory on "lynch in the clear". The main point is that he had a large scumread on Vivax ("#1"), but he never pushed it in-thread, even when he was on the lynch. He voted SnB and Sharrant before actually voting Vivax. Hmm. I do agree that it isn't the likely scenario on Sharrant. I would really feel a lot better though if I had any sort of notion that he cared about the game outside of his checks. On Risen, I think he was super unsure. It's just like the s&b discussion earlier. His vote and his interests are all over the place, and he will be pushing multiple things in a short period of time. Really difficult to say as we would typically that this guy is scum for not pushing his #1 scum read, because what does #1 scum read really mean for Risen if it lasts all of 5 minutes? If we really assume that Risen changes his reads every 5 minutes, then it'll be impossible to tell if he's scum. Any time he has a read contradiction, someone can say "he does that as town too". It just invalidates all his reads. Scum Risen could literally say any read he wanted to for no reason and he would get away with it.He had a unreasoned scumread on Vivax that he never pushed. That is a clear association that doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Add to that everything else he's done that doesn't make sense from anyone thinking about the game. On August 18 2013 01:30 s0Lstice wrote:
what is he saying?
also...Chrom have you thought some more about the Risen v Xatalos stuff I was telling you about earlier? I did, and I don't think it's alignment indicative. I can't see the PMs in question, so I don't know exactly what made you think that Risen forgot about the Vivax lynch, but I think it could very easily be Risen just assuming that Vivax was done for, instead of actually forgetting. He just really wants to push Xat, so he sends out the PMs, assuming that everyone would understand he was talking about tomorrow (given that Vivax is already dead). And then he sends out the second round just to make sure everyone knew. yup pretty much. he's really hard to read because of how erratic he is. So to make this public knowledge, Risen PMed me after Vivax made his claim thing saying he wanted to lynch Xatalos. This is shortly after posting in the thread something along the lines of Xatalos=bad. He then immediately sent a PM after saying 'oh oops nevermind we gotta lynch Vivax today.' Scum Risen knows Vivax is on his team, and hence would be pretty concerned with what side of this issue he ends up on. Why would he rock the boat like this as scum and muddy the waters after already being on the correct side of the Vivax wagon? How does this action improve his situation? It's crazy as town too, but the flakiness and carelessness of the action makes the town side a lot more likely. That's pretty wifom. He could not have checked his qt, vivax could not have discussed the claim in his qt etc. yea actually, I remember him being in thread but he didn't say a word about the claim before he started the xatalos thing The PMs came 5 minutes apart for what it's worth. HMMM
You mean like he PM'd you, checked the ScumQT and PM'd again with the opposite stance?
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On August 18 2013 02:08 s0Lstice wrote:
also a thought I just had...it would not be weird at all for scum to have some kind of HP check ability. in fact it makes a lot of sense
It's possible... I wonder why we never thought of that during the "mole" accusations.
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On August 18 2013 02:13 Clarity_nl wrote:
because gumshoe woulda been a weird target to check for scum.
I guess.... Although House Lannister also had iamperfection and me... But we already know the truth of that so no need to WIFOM further 
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Lol Clarity.
OK. Would it now be time to use some HP checks? I think we can deduce at least who are NOT scum from those. If Sharrant has damage, he's town, for example.
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On August 18 2013 02:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
stark still has its hp check although obviousy can't use it today, and I expect to die along with my sealbuddy tomorrow.
![[image loading]](http://s10.postimg.org/tet33yjdl/Baby_Seal_1.jpg)
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Scum are the true seal clubbers, yamato 
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Actually we have two HP checks right? It would be interesting to see where all the scum KP went yesterday. Sharrant? Me? Clarity? If you coordinate and have some luck, I think you could find out who are at least certainly town.
Although it might still be better to save it for later... Dunno. I'm just overly curious so I want to know.
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On August 18 2013 02:57 Koshi wrote:
Sharrant enrages people till they see red. Yamato went crazy, Mocsta went crazy. I that it is a coincidence and not a real role but wtf? Why is Mocsta not yelling at Sharrant, same shit with yamato. Just prove the other guy is scum lol.
@Xatalos Grack got RB. When you die, Grack would have been Lord anyway.
Clarity/Rayn. Wtf seriously? I don't even know what that was about. You call each other scum and you both go crazy for 5 pages?
Sharrant is a dumbass. Can somebody PM this guy and tell him he should read my case vs iamp. I think he didn't read that or something. Or he didn't know that Lannisters used the hp check and told the thread. His case vs me is so bad...
Risen should be looked at now. First he buddies Chrom for pointing out a mistakes in his case. Then he scrutinizes me for saying that this detail in his case still doesn't mean his entire case is shit.
At this point I think Risen/Sharrant are both scum.
Why did Risen bus Sharrant so hard D2 then though?
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On August 18 2013 02:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
AFTER the mocsta flip, if he flips town and not miller, I'm okay with hp checking sharrant (since it hits johnny too)
If sharrant has taken damage (let's just assume he has 7 hp) then he's town. If he hasn't we probably need to lynch him.
Same for johnny although scum wouldn't shoot him I don't think.
I guess then we'd at least know how much KP is needed to kill johnnywup...
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