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GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 20
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So we have another redcheck. There's a small chance (like less than 10%) that Mocsta was framed or something, but in all likeliness one of Sharrant or Mocsta is scum and must be lynched today. Mocsta should definitely be our lynch for today out of these two for a couple of reasons: 1) jrkirby's scummy play 2) Mocsta's nullish play 3) Sharrant's earlier redcheck success 4) I can also somewhat understand Sharrant's lacking playstyle if he is a permanent Cop (to avoid KP) 5) Mocsta's first reaction was "this is interesting" and give up, not to assume being framed or that Sharrant is scum - seriously...? What went down in our House can basically be predicted from my last thread posts before deadline. I think I could have been able to convince Grackaroni to vote for me, but I still had some uncertainty about his alignment and wanted to see how he would use his status today (PMs + vote + KP etc.). I was also pretty certain I would die anyway (looks like I didn't) and I liked his thoughts during N3, leading me just to vote for him. This crusade against Onegu by rayn is pretty pointless. Clarity had a good point when he said that by rayn's logic, Clarity is also scum. So rayn, is he? If not, why is Onegu scum? If you can't answer, are you just scum and flinging shit for no real reason? | ||
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On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I'm 99% sure Clarity is town. Maybe 80% sure that Onegu is town. It's also not a town mindset to bluehunt instead of scumhunt (like you seem to focus). If someone doesn't seem to be playing that townish, the first thought should be "scum", not "blue", unless you're scum of course. It's also completely stupid to assume that only people who pushed someone in the thread could have roleblocked someone. So I don't really see any value in your accusations. | ||
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1) posted against the rules and didn't vote -> no modkill - more likely scum than town based on how hosts usually act or 2) intentionally voted for himself - more likely scum than town based on you pretty clearly being town and still denying your House a Lord intentionally What do you think? | ||
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On August 17 2013 20:15 Dandel Ion wrote: yes but i'll try: flipped scum in sharrant's house: 0 flipped scum in mocsta's house: 1 That's a VERY weak reason. It's in no way guaranteed (or even more likely than not) that there is scum in every House. It's all random. Any other reasoning? | ||
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On August 17 2013 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity is not even reading the thread as i have clearly pointed out. Why do you think he is town? Also Onegu, why? It's cliche to say "for PM reasons" but they were the two most active and open Lords in PM contact with me yesterday. Or Onegu not as much, but there was a pretty weird episode in our conversation that didn't feel like it would come from scum. Basically just overall transparency and a good, interested attitude in solving the game (certainly the case with Clarity, somewhat the case with Onegu). Clarity was also very interested in lynching Vivax. It didn't feel fake at all... I mean like no hesitation about going for him. | ||
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On August 17 2013 20:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wow. Xatalos. Explain. Clarity was interested in lynching SnB over Vivax. Actually true, he did hesitate when Vivax claimed. But in PMs he was pretty suspicious of Vivax and didn't oppose lynching him at any point. Also: if Vivax had decided to give up in ScumQT, WHY would Clarity hesitate in bussing him? | ||
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On August 17 2013 20:18 Mocsta wrote: Xat Please detail why my play is nullish. When u were saying it was leaning townish yesterday. Why is me saying. This is interesting alignment indicative? U have been a voice of reason all game. So I am sure that u should be able to easily justify your position. Lastly. Why have you not commented on the interplay with rayn I said "null / slightly townish" actually. In that grey area where I slightly liked your posting but found it hard to trust you because of jrkirby. It's more about the giving up part. "This is interesting" didn't really mean much at all, although it was a bit weird as your first thought. Why not think about being framed or being accused by scum? But as I said, "this is interesting" is pretty null. I think rayn isn't making sense lately. Is he scum or blinded by bias, hard to say. Your dispute with him could be a double bus as scum&scum or a genuine dispute as town&scum. Very unlikely town&town. | ||
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On August 17 2013 20:27 Clarity_nl wrote: It's not that he can point out anything as a lie, but I'm scum, so obviously I'm lying about something. rayn is scum, I refuse to believe this is coming from a townie. I'm starting to think the same... | ||
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On August 17 2013 20:33 Mocsta wrote: Double bus. That's ridiculous to even consider. We have been both legitimately down each other throats As fir why I gave up. I explained that. There was only 1 lord I trusted abd he insta voted me..is that not demoralizing? Is it not important I'm here. Still posting? It's a LOT better than what yamato or Vivax did under pressure. Or even snb IMO. But there's jrkirby's play to consider as well as the fact that 90+% chance, one of you or Sharrant is scum. Do you think Sharrant is scum? Onegu, why did you think jrkirby was town by the way? | ||
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On August 17 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry. Xatalos. I am a bit puzzled here. Why is Clarity town to you and me scum (at least i was at some point?). I was the one who brought up Vivax in the first place in D3. It can clearly be seen from my PM's with Risen that i have been suspecting him since D2. Clarity did hesitate lynching Vivax for a long time. Your conclusion is that Vivax gave up in scum QT and Clarity is town because he (clearly?) did not know that or his actions point towards that. Why do you assume so in the first place? Isn't that a bit WIFOMy? Actually yes, Clarity did hesitate about Vivax even before he basically already gave up. Something about "legitimate IRL excuses" for not playing properly. Dunno why he would soft defend Vivax at that point. I guess it's a slight victory for you, but far from conclusive. I would also basically instantly know if Clarity was scum based on some information we shared in PMs and only we should know and NKs were made based on that information. But the main point is, Clarity was so transparent and proactive in PMs that it's highly, highly unlikely for him to be scum. | ||
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On August 17 2013 20:44 Clarity_nl wrote: Anyway here's what's happened. Rayn as scum figured out something that SEEMS logical, and incriminates onegu. I point out his logic makes no sense, he insists it does. Him insisting makes him feel stuck, since if he just backs off he's afraid he'll be pegged as scum. Then I explain how by his logic, I should be scum as well. rayn feeling stuck on this one way street, takes the only path in front of him and says "yes, clarity is scum, he didn't answer my questions" He repeats the fact that I haven't answered his questions a couple of times. When I insist on him telling me what questions I haven't answered, rayn goes filterdiving and goes "crap, he did answer everything, what do I do?!?" Then he backtracks and says "Well, you did "answer" my questions but I think it's not the truth, because you're scum" Notice the lack of explanation, notice how general the accusation of lying is, no specific quote or logic. Now I push back hard, say his logic makes no sense as town (because it doesn't) and rayn is forced to backtrack even more: He wasn't even accusing me in the first place it seems. BUT WAIT WHEN XATALOS ASKS HIM IF HE THINKS IM SCUM AS WELL AS ONEGU, HE ANSWERS YES I say fuck the mocsta or sharrant lynch, if sharrant is cop scum have to kill him because they have no roleblocker (unless scum has two, possible I guess). Let's just lynch rayn, definite scum. LOL wtf Rayn? Your recent play really is full of contradictions. Can you explain your way out of this? | ||
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DI, what do you think of rayn's recent posting? Why are you proposing snb when we have a redcheck AND a good town player using weak and inconsistent logic? snb doesn't really make sense at all for today. Let's see what we have here. The rayn I know is extremely focused on finding scum and pushing his opinions to the end of time. This game he has: 1) bluehunted 2) spammed 3) scumhunted with weak reasoning 4) stepped out of the heated discussion because he "didn't need to participate" several times now I'm starting to think rayn might actually be a good lynch for today. Sharrant is dead anyway tomorrow if he's a blue and that would prove Mocsta town or scum. | ||
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On August 17 2013 21:21 Dandel Ion wrote: yeah dunno i could see both as town tbh, seeing as clarity is not reading the thread properly if he pushed me more than softly i'd be getting pissed too atm, so i can't fault rayn for that. Hmmmm. Do you have other reasoning for snb besides WIFOM? What do you think of Mocsta? | ||
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On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu. But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally....... | ||
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On August 17 2013 21:30 Dandel Ion wrote: yeah that snb only does shit when he's about to get lynched. and even that only after he defends himself for years. mocsta honestly seems townie enough for me, but a red check is a red check. that's why i'd prefer shooting him over lynching him, if we have to. Actually, the more I think about it...... I might not want to lynch into Sharrant/Mocsta today. 1) Scum can't roleblock anymore (extremely likely) so scum WILL kill Sharrant before long if he's town (since he apparently has unlimited checks) 2) If Sharrant flips town, then Mocsta is most likely scum 3) If Sharrant never dies, then Mocsta is most likely town and Sharrant scum This seems more valuable than lynching either of them right away. Opinions? That leaves me with rayn or snb. This rayn is very unlike the town rayn I know and love. snb hasn't done anything unless he's in real danger. Maybe snb would be the safer choice. BUT I'm not feeling good about rayn either. rayn and snb, I'd like to hear your opinions of each other? And I'd like others to comment on them as well. | ||
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On August 17 2013 21:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think SnB is confirmed town. Why? | ||
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On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia. Then what do you think of him only posting when he's under pressure? And just being super-defensive and not pushing? Or DI's WIFOM? | ||
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On August 17 2013 21:57 Clarity_nl wrote: What the fuck is this logic. You don't think both alignments would be careful not to post during a silent night? Also this. | ||
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