EPTCould the Lannisters explain to me why they felt iamp was the best choice as Lord?
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Oberyn
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Could the Lannisters explain to me why they felt iamp was the best choice as Lord? | ||
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Oberyn
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I'm still suspicious of sol, but for now I'm going to: ##Unvote ##Vote Acrofales | ||
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Oberyn
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On August 09 2013 08:24 Acrofales wrote: What the hell are you smoking? Here is the first thing you sent to me about using magic: Here is your second missive, after my reply: And MY REPLY to that is the plan. After this we have not communicated about using the magic, and were discussing Yamato. Exactly. Nothing there points to us working together on come to your plan. It gives me the creeps that you decide to bring up three different times that I helped formulate the idea as if we're working behind the scenes to come up with something incredibly pro-town. I feel like you're buddying up to me in that sense. Furthermore, the plan isn't so great that you have to keep it a secret from rayn. You're overstating your contribution right now. On August 09 2013 06:44 Acrofales wrote: Are you upset because I am unwilling to disclose with you the way the Red Viper, Sharrant and myself came up with a way of potentially foiling a Blackfyre plot by using our life check magic? On August 09 2013 08:11 Acrofales wrote: I also made an allusion to the plan concocted by Sharrant, the Red Viper and myself On August 09 2013 06:44 Acrofales wrote: Are you upset because I am unwilling to disclose with you the way the Red Viper, Sharrant and myself came up with. | ||
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Oberyn
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I first contact him via pm's because I found his conclusion that DI and koshi are both town quite puzzling. When I asked about it futher, he explained that he doesn't think DI truly thinks that sol and koshi are town, he is simply pressuring them. Based on DI's emotional tunnel, I certainly do not draw the same conclusion. He also inadequately explains why koshi is town. He states that DI is overreacting on his views about koshi., but how is this indicative of koshi's alignment? He states that he isn't interested in considering a koshi lynch, but doesn't provide a solid reason. Furthermore, if you earlier thought that DI was faking his read on koshi to pressure him, how is he suddenly overreacting on his read? That's a contradiction. Initially, he thought that it was a good idea to use the health check simply to figure out the hp system. This is incredibly anti-town. When I attack him for his plan, he quickly drops it. Acro's house is a slew of inactives, but he has shown little interest in dealing with them. In the thread, Acro has said a lot of nothing. He is using the role playing nonsense to cover up the fact that he isn't sharing many strong reads. I see little reason why he shouldn't be considered for a lynch today. | ||
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Oberyn
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On August 09 2013 09:02 Oberyn wrote: More on Acrofales: I first contact him via pm's because I found his conclusion that DI and koshi are both town quite puzzling. When I asked about it futher, he explained that he doesn't think DI truly thinks that sol and koshi are scum, he is simply pressuring them. Based on DI's emotional tunnel, I certainly do not draw the same conclusion. He also inadequately explains why koshi is town. He states that DI is overreacting on his views about koshi., but how is this indicative of koshi's alignment? He states that he isn't interested in considering a koshi lynch, but doesn't provide a solid reason. Furthermore, if you earlier thought that DI was faking his read on koshi to pressure him, how is he suddenly overreacting on his read? That's a contradiction. Initially, he thought that it was a good idea to use the health check simply to figure out the hp system. This is incredibly anti-town. When I attack him for his plan, he quickly drops it. Acro's house is a slew of inactives, but he has shown little interest in dealing with them. In the thread, Acro has said a lot of nothing. He is using the role playing nonsense to cover up the fact that he isn't sharing many strong reads. I see little reason why he shouldn't be considered for a lynch today. EBWOP | ||
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Oberyn
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iamp has stated that he refuses to lynch any lord this cycle and wants a lurker lynch this cycle. I disagree that Lords should be given immunity and would like to see him comment on Acro, rayn, and his 1-2 preferred lynch candidates. While taking a strong stance against inactives is nice and all, I feel he has contributed just as much as several of the people on his lurker list. | ||
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Oberyn
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On August 09 2013 10:58 Grackaroni wrote: @All lords, I would like to know how frequently Iamperfection has been PMing you and any impressions you have gotten from those PM's iamp has done very little in PMs with me, simply asking an irrelevant question about the Lord voting. He ignored a pm I sent him asking his opinion about the other Lords. When I asked a second time, he said that he doesn't have a scum read on any Lords. He said he doesn't have a mafia read apart from the lurkers. Kush is apparently his prefered target, but he doesn't really express this in the thread, other than calling for a night hit. Him and Acro are definitely the two Lords that look the worst at this point. | ||
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Oberyn
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On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: As scum, Dandel knows he will be caught. He will therefore have no qualms about using our house abilities (the KP, the one-shot HP check) in a way that is incriminating as he is going to be lynched or vigged anyway. The hypothetical I layed out was that he'd blow our HP check and shoot the towniest dude in the thread. These are things that would probably be traced back to him in the future, but again it's not gonna matter. On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: Chrom even if scum, would probably not raise the middle finger and KP who he wanted and blow our check. More likely, he would try to maneuver our KP to someone he wanted with discussion and leave the check alone. Either way, with a scum Dandel or a scum Chrom, they would use the house kp to shoot a town and there is not much you can do about it. It seems to me that the logical decision is to elect the player that is more likely town to avoid this scenario. If Dandel is going to clearly get caught as a scum Lord wouldn't electing him be a good idea? Free scum read? Furthermore, are you saying that preserving the 1-shot hp check is important enough to elect a null player over a town player? I'm not convinced by your reasoning. On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: Dandel also lied about me not trying to figure out people's alignments within our house. So are you saying that Dandel is lying and misrepresenting you, but you think he is town? Why call him a liar, suggesting an anti-town motivation, yet support him at the same time? Also, what specifically in PMs led you to a town read? | ||
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Oberyn
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The PM titled "Hey". On August 09 2013 11:11 iamperfection wrote: also i find it absolutely hilarious that people think lurkers cant be scum they almost always are. herp derp iamp is scum because he wants to kill scum Who is this post directed at? If you list 6-7 inactives of course there is likely a couple of scum in there. Excuse me if I'm unimpressed until you point out which ones are actually mafia. | ||
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Oberyn
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On August 09 2013 11:24 s0Lstice wrote: I think the HP check is pretty valueable. Like I was saying in PM's, it can have DT like functionality. A player deciding to sabotage the ability because he knows he is going to get caught can also have DT like functionality. I still don't see why you think Dandel outing himself as scum would be a reason not to elect him. | ||
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Oberyn
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On August 09 2013 17:59 Dandel Ion wrote: imo we should agree on 3 of them and have 2 houses shoot them respectively. If you're going to say this, you have to list names. On August 09 2013 20:10 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't like how he plays. It feels like he's always trying to talk about things that are not relevant at the moment. Like, he keeps annoying me about sol while koshi is the topic, then when we finally talk about sol, the topic he liked so much, he suddenly goes on about acro instead. Not sure what that means for his alignment but it ain't feeling right. So you attack me for asking about sol, but you would be quite happy with sol. You attack me for poking at Acro, but you understand why he would be suspicious. And this means that my play doesn't "feel right"? In what way does moving forward the conversation targeted at people you view as likely scum make you dislike my play? | ||
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Oberyn
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On August 09 2013 16:55 Clarity_nl wrote: All is cool up until this point. He's buddying up to you, he's overstating his contributions. These are decent points. Here comes the thing I have an issue with though: Suddenly every interaction you've ever had with acro points to him being scum? Why didn't we hear from this earlier? You had not mentioned any of these points until now. Could anyone from Oberyn's house say if he ever mentioned these things before, and whether or not he talked about acro possibly being scum? You had a vote on him for one concise reason, implying you could lynch him for just that reason, and then you felt the need to suddenly attach 5 more reasons. Why is that, Oberyn? I honestly don't understand what you're getting at. You're saying that you would have preferred only a single reason that I was suspicious of him, rather than all of them? The vote was for a combination of all the reasons, I just happened to list them in back to back posts. As for why we didn't hear from this earlier, the only real new thing I've added is the explanation of why koshi/DI are town. Chrom also agreed that he came to that conclusion too easily and rayn I discussed the 1-shot hp usage with. Just to be clear, do you disagree that Acro is scummy? On August 09 2013 17:56 Clarity_nl wrote: Let me put it this way. In chronological order: 1. He takes advantage of the mess rayn and acro have created by voting for acro 2. He then goes back and explains why his reasoning in his votepost makes sense (this is fine) 3. He now shows that he went back and looked at his interactions with acro Why did he not look back at the interactions before voting him? Surely you look back at it BEFORE you vote someone? I believe he is scum who tried to take advantage of the situation, and acted too quickly, started doubting that the reasons he posted in thread looked genuine, so he went back and slapped on everything that he could twist to look scummy. He had not mentioned acro at all before this point. If anyone has received pms from oberyn in which he expresses concern of acro being scum prior to the rayn/acro outburst then I might be willing to change my mind on this. I expressed susupicion of Acro before rayn did. How can I be taking advantage of the situation when I've made it clear to multiple players that Acro is one of my top scum reads. The two posts were minutes apart. It's not like I went back 5 hours later and decided to come up with a case for my suspicions. Even if have a scum read on Acro, multiple reasons are going to be more convincing to others than a single one. I expressed suspicion of Acro way before, even asking chrom to check back with me if he comes across anything weird in PMs. On August 09 2013 20:29 Clarity_nl wrote: You don't think is weird that even though acro told oberyn that he thought the hp check was on a person rather than a house, oberyn failed to mention this in his post? Oberyn told rayn that if acro was speaking the truth about that, it's not anti-town. I didn't mention the hp check because it wasn't part of my case? I'm not sure what you're referring too based on that last statement. | ||
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Oberyn
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On August 09 2013 21:49 Dandel Ion wrote: If you can't even look at the signup-list and be able to tell who isn't posting, you aren't reading the thread. There is no reason to respond like this as town. I asked you for specific individuals that you believe should be shot. There are at least 10 people who could be classified as lurkers. They obviously aren't all mafia. Which ones are more likely to flip mafia? | ||
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On August 09 2013 21:54 Dandel Ion wrote: See, you do know who's a lurker and who's not. Wasn't that hard was it. Are you trying to imitate Ace or something? Keep working on it. | ||
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Oberyn
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You're misunderstanding what I'm referring to. The 1-shot single target hp check was what I did not mention and was what Acro did not understand. I'm referring to when Acro wanted to use the 1-shot house hp check for no real reason other than to figure out the hp system. On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote: Why do you tell rayn you have a scumread on acro but don't give him reasons AND tell him to not tell anyone else. We discussed the scummy setup analysis. I told him to not tell anyone because I wanted Acro to be more open in PMs if he thought I trusted him. On August 09 2013 21:56 Clarity_nl wrote: You mention you said it to multiple players, who else? Did you give them reasons or is it the same as with rayn? rayn and chrom mainly. I told Onegu that it was a pressure vote. I don't give any other reasoning, nor was I asked really. | ||
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Oberyn
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On August 09 2013 22:16 Clarity_nl wrote: You told onegu it was a pressure vote? Was it? As opposed to a vote meant to not pressure him? Yes I wanted a reaction. On August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote: I feel your interest into Dandel ebbed out very quickly, I'm curious to hear about the development of your read so far. With Acrofales entering the scene Dandel seemed to be forgotten for you (you mention him when questioning s0lstice's read, but you don't push him, or confront him with questions), although you called his behaviour out as extremely scummy. It hasn't changed and I just asked him a few things less than an hour ago, but he's playing hard to get. I don't think sol and dandel are both scum, which is the part time trying to figure out. On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote: That said, it would be interesting to know who the lords are considering for kp-lynch. An agreement is needed soon. Suggestions? On August 09 2013 22:16 Xatalos wrote: Could you make a summary of your thought process in this issue? You lost me somewhere along the way. At this point I'd rather focus more on other players than myself, unless there was something about Acro that you don't follow. | ||
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Oberyn
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On August 09 2013 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote: As opposed to a vote to lynch him because he's scum. I understand the two are not mutually exclusive but if it's so obvious that every vote is a pressure vote then why did you tell onegu it was a pressure vote? onegu expressed that he would prefer my vote to remain on sol. I wanted to see where the thread went after the discussion of sol died off and there was still a full 24 hours left in the day to explore new individuals. I replied that I wanted to pressure Acro and would likely return to sol. At this point, I'm undecided whether or not I will be returning to sol, dandel, or possibly yamato/iamp. When I poked yamato for activity, he said he would be on for a while tonight and assumed he would catch up in the thread. He has continued to be around, but not helpful, which is why he is one of my preferred lurker shot candidates (See dandel, that wasn't very hard was it? Your turn!) | ||
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Oberyn
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On August 09 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote: No, but he sure would like to act like it. Just to be clear, does this mean that I'm maliciously trying to make you look bad as a potential mislynch or that I'm just casting suspicion on you for personal amusement? | ||
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