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On August 17 2013 18:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 18:26 Onegu wrote:On August 10 2013 13:50 FirmTofu wrote:
Town Clarity is someone who has a very confident Day 1. He pressures people, attacks with authority, and backs off only when he is confident that the player he is attacking is not scum. Clarity displayed NONE of that during day 1. Clarity played rather passive and although he was relatively active, his accusations were a lot less characteristic of his town play. Well FT posted this right before his mislynch after his flip maybe people looked at that, SnB still had a scum read on him iirc. If you really want me to Ill look more but I dont think looking for town RB is something that needs to be done right now as again it isnt relevant. On August 16 2013 00:40 Onegu wrote:
Guess since Im the person who first pushed for a SnB lynch with the lords I should vote him
##VOTE:StrongAndBig Firmtofu is dead. SnB had a scumread on Clarity. You think there is a town roleblocker who blocked Clarity on N1, and you on N2. Now, why did you vote for the guy who was most likely to be the town roleblocker in your mind on D3? I know why. Because scum! Wow are you serious? You asked me who had scum reads on clarity, I never once said I think one of those two are town RB, there is no reason for me to try to find town RB, I was just point out a few people had scum reads on clarity so it is likely others had a scum read on him also.
Can anyone see why this post makes zero sense?
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On August 17 2013 18:39 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 18:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 18:36 Onegu wrote:On August 17 2013 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 18:26 Onegu wrote:On August 10 2013 13:50 FirmTofu wrote:
Town Clarity is someone who has a very confident Day 1. He pressures people, attacks with authority, and backs off only when he is confident that the player he is attacking is not scum. Clarity displayed NONE of that during day 1. Clarity played rather passive and although he was relatively active, his accusations were a lot less characteristic of his town play. Well FT posted this right before his mislynch after his flip maybe people looked at that, SnB still had a scum read on him iirc. If you really want me to Ill look more but I dont think looking for town RB is something that needs to be done right now as again it isnt relevant. On August 16 2013 00:40 Onegu wrote:
Guess since Im the person who first pushed for a SnB lynch with the lords I should vote him
##VOTE:StrongAndBig Firmtofu is dead. SnB had a scumread on Clarity. You think there is a town roleblocker who blocked Clarity on N1, and you on N2. Now, why did you vote for the guy who was most likely to be the town roleblocker in your mind on D3? I know why. Because scum! Wow are you serious? You asked me who had scum reads on clarity, I never once said I think one of those two are town RB, there is no reason for me to try to find town RB, I was just point out a few people had scum reads on clarity so it is likely others had a scum read on him also. Can anyone see why this post makes zero sense? I can see why it makes 0 sense to you. You seem to have drawn a connection that the only people who might have had a scumread on me d1/n1 are the people who pushed me in thread. PS snb called me town near the end of day 1
No, that's Onegu's thought process as he said so!!!
I am pointing out why his logic makes zero sense.
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Clarity tell me how Onegu's thought process makes sense.
I'm gonna shop groceries, when i am back i am gonna tell you why it does not make sense.
be back in 15.
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Both scum and town do bluehunt. They do, or can you honestly say you don't bluehunt as town? For example, since D1 i have had a red/blue read on Sharrant because his play has been so different from his play in LXI.
Onegu assumes there is a town roleblocker (which can clearly be seen from his posts). He assumes, at N1 the town roleblocker blocked you (as he has said). He has also implied the town roleblocker probably had a scumread on you. When i ask him who did have a scumread on you at the end of D1 he answers FirmTofu and SnB (it doesn't really matter if they had or not, it matters that Onegu thinks so). Onegu does not remember anyone else having a scumread on you. FirmTofu is lynched D1. There is only SnB left.
Now, who is the most logical person for Onegu to assume is the town roleblocker? Right, SnB. At least for him it HAS to be a big possibility that SnB is the town roleblocker.
If it is not tell me why the fuck is it not???
What does Onegu say about SnB on D2:
SnB. Scum. Doesnt read the thread much but pms alot and gives very little info reguarding his reads. Also what went on in house with him and clarity seems like SnB had some plan going on with his claim and it was messed up.
What does Onegu do on D3. Votes for SnB.
Now, Clarity, how does that make sense?
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I do not really know how to convince you that someone is mafia when all you are willing to look for is if people post or not. I do not know how you scumhunt to be honest.
Or you are scum.
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Like seriously.
If you thought there was a town roleblocker and you thought they had a scumread on you on D1, and the only person alive who has (in your mind) expressed a scumread on you is SnB, would you or would you not think he has a big possibility of being a town roleblocker?
If you did, would you call him scum all game after that without investigating into the matter further?
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Please do not insult me personally, there is no reason to do so.
Did you think you were roleblocked or jailed?
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I am not accusing you of anything, i am trying to understand your thought process because i do not know your alignment.
I do not think there is a jailor because of Vivax flipping scum RB and Grackaroni being jailed on N3. So it's either town or mafia roleblocker. Town roleblocker makes sense if mafia roleblocked Sharrant on N2. Either way, no sane town roleblocker would block Sharrant, that makes Sharrant town. This means either scum roleblocked Onegu, or they withheld the roleblock to make him look more town (this also makes sense because he claimed blue on D2 - actually it makes sense in both Onegu = scum/town).
Did you think anyone else was suspicious of you at D1 end other than SnB?
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On August 17 2013 19:31 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Please do not insult me personally, there is no reason to do so.
Did you think you were roleblocked or jailed? What does it matter if it was JK or RB. And I went backed and looked to get FT post then went with one other person I knew had a scum read day one, I didnt say those are the only ones that had a scum read on him, I just didnt feel like looking for more, I just wanted to show you some people had scum reads on him.
That's the point, "you don't remember" anyone else for a reason. If you were town trying to figure out the night actions in a mindset:
1) Clarity was roleblocked by town roleblocker N1
2) You were roleblocked by a town roleblocker N2
3) Grackaroni was roleblocked by town roleblocker N3
..you would remember, because you would be looking for that town roleblocker BECAUSE IT MAKES ONE LESS SUSPECT TO YOU!!
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On August 17 2013 19:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not accusing you of anything, i am trying to understand your thought process because i do not know your alignment.
I do not think there is a jailor because of Vivax flipping scum RB and Grackaroni being jailed on N3. So it's either town or mafia roleblocker. Town roleblocker makes sense if mafia roleblocked Sharrant on N2. Either way, no sane town roleblocker would block Sharrant, that makes Sharrant town. This means either scum roleblocked Onegu, or they withheld the roleblock to make him look more town (this also makes sense because he claimed blue on D2 - actually it makes sense in both Onegu = scum/town).
Did you think anyone else was suspicious of you at D1 end other than SnB?
EBWOP: This to clarity.-
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On August 17 2013 19:38 Mocsta wrote:
I don't think this convo is productive
The important take is rayn now admits sharrant is playing diff to mafia lix.. when I came in the game saying sharrant is different . Rayn tried to throw shit at me
This guy just changes his tune based on who he's talking to.
He can't hide from me. Even with a 17page filter. He's scum yo
Yo, i should accuse Sharrant on D3 because he got a red check on yamato, who we lynched, who flipped red!
Logic!
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Keep going Mocsta! I am so confirmed town when you flip. :D
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Or do you want to tell us what kinda blue you are gonna flip? Perhaps a jailor? town roleblocker?
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Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more.
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On August 17 2013 20:09 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I'm 99% sure Clarity is town. Maybe 80% sure that Onegu is town. It's also not a town mindset to bluehunt instead of scumhunt (like you seem to focus). If someone doesn't seem to be playing that townish, the first thought should be "scum", not "blue", unless you're scum of course. It's also completely stupid to assume that only people who pushed someone in the thread could have roleblocked someone. So I don't really see any value in your accusations.
Clarity is not even reading the thread as i have clearly pointed out.
Why do you think he is town? Also Onegu, why?
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Are you people really saying you do not bluehunt as town?
If that's somehow true you are bad.
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On August 17 2013 20:17 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 20:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I'm 99% sure Clarity is town. Maybe 80% sure that Onegu is town. It's also not a town mindset to bluehunt instead of scumhunt (like you seem to focus). If someone doesn't seem to be playing that townish, the first thought should be "scum", not "blue", unless you're scum of course. It's also completely stupid to assume that only people who pushed someone in the thread could have roleblocked someone. So I don't really see any value in your accusations. Clarity is not even reading the thread as i have clearly pointed out. Why do you think he is town? Also Onegu, why? ............................................................................................. I've asked twice now what I haven't answered........ Like really, I don't see it. Tell me so I can answer, perhaps? Holy fuck. You did this whole "I advise you to read d3 now because I'm about to nail you as scum" and then your following post was "did you really not answer risen in pms? And why did you not vote vivax immediately when he claimed!!" Like.... wtf are you doing rayn.
I don't need to make a case on you, it'll come on later. Now we are murdering Mocsta.
You stopped giving me answers when i talked about the town roleblovker stuff and who did you think were suspicious of you on D1. Well, you did "answer", but i do not believe you are telling the truth because i think you are mafia.
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On August 17 2013 20:22 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 17 2013 20:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I'm 99% sure Clarity is town. Maybe 80% sure that Onegu is town. It's also not a town mindset to bluehunt instead of scumhunt (like you seem to focus). If someone doesn't seem to be playing that townish, the first thought should be "scum", not "blue", unless you're scum of course. It's also completely stupid to assume that only people who pushed someone in the thread could have roleblocked someone. So I don't really see any value in your accusations. Clarity is not even reading the thread as i have clearly pointed out. Why do you think he is town? Also Onegu, why? It's cliche to say "for PM reasons" but they were the two most active and open Lords in PM contact with me yesterday. Or Onegu not as much, but there was a pretty weird episode in our conversation that didn't feel like it would come from scum. Basically just overall transparency and a good, interested attitude in solving the game (certainly the case with Clarity, somewhat the case with Onegu). Clarity was also very interested in lynching Vivax. It didn't feel fake at all... I mean like no hesitation about going for him.
Wow. Xatalos. Explain.
Clarity was interested in lynching SnB over Vivax.
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Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry.
Xatalos. I am a bit puzzled here. Why is Clarity town to you and me scum (at least i was at some point?). I was the one who brought up Vivax in the first place in D3. It can clearly be seen from my PM's with Risen that i have been suspecting him since D2. Clarity did hesitate lynching Vivax for a long time. Your conclusion is that Vivax gave up in scum QT and Clarity is town because he (clearly?) did not know that or his actions point towards that. Why do you assume so in the first place? Isn't that a bit WIFOMy?
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On August 17 2013 20:09 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos yes he is. He stopped answering when there are no good answers for him any more. I'm 99% sure Clarity is town. Maybe 80% sure that Onegu is town. It's also not a town mindset to bluehunt instead of scumhunt (like you seem to focus). If someone doesn't seem to be playing that townish, the first thought should be "scum", not "blue", unless you're scum of course. It's also completely stupid to assume that only people who pushed someone in the thread could have roleblocked someone. So I don't really see any value in your accusations.
I wanted to answer this before.
I had a scum/blue read on Sharrant until he claimed blue. I would have pushed his lynch on D2 but i didn't get there before he had claimed. Remember what i said to Oats "basically all my scumreads claimed blue".
I have never been talking about people who "pushed someone". I have been talking about people who had "scumread on someone". That's entirely different. Mafia do not want push blue dudes because they claim and then the lynch target will be at least reconsidered. Mafia wants to kill the blue dudes.
On August 17 2013 20:44 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity scum don't have to lie. They don't have to say it in the first place. Why are you so angry when being accused? I wasn't even accusing you in the first place. I was trying to figure out your thought process. Then you started insulting me and my thought process and got angry.
Xatalos. I am a bit puzzled here. Why is Clarity town to you and me scum (at least i was at some point?). I was the one who brought up Vivax in the first place in D3. It can clearly be seen from my PM's with Risen that i have been suspecting him since D2. Clarity did hesitate lynching Vivax for a long time. Your conclusion is that Vivax gave up in scum QT and Clarity is town because he (clearly?) did not know that or his actions point towards that. Why do you assume so in the first place? Isn't that a bit WIFOMy? Actually yes, Clarity did hesitate about Vivax even before he basically already gave up. Something about "legitimate IRL excuses" for not playing properly. Dunno why he would soft defend Vivax at that point. I guess it's a slight victory for you, but far from conclusive. I would also basically instantly know if Clarity was scum based on some information we shared in PMs and only we should know and NKs were made based on that information. But the main point is, Clarity was so transparent and proactive in PMs that it's highly, highly unlikely for him to be scum.
Fair enough. Unless you are playing a ridiculous powerplay as mafia (meaning you roleblocked at least one of your own on N1) i am willing to believe you. Since i do believe at least one of you/Clarity HAS to be town i think at least one of you is telling the truth. regarding this PM stuff, is there ANY possibility that Clarity is mafia so that it could be explained in a reasonable manner?
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