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Well then, what do you think of players OTHER than Risen or Vivax?
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Where is Kush? He disappeared as soon as the discussion moved on. Or is he working on some giant post? Otherwise, let's just kill him tonight #1 priority. johnnywup should be after that.
I think Vivax has a slightly higher chance of flipping scum than snb. I'm also glad to see snb giving reads. In fact, I'm happier with a Vivax lynch overall. Mostly gut feeling, partly iamperfection's stance, partly convenient short posting sprees and disappearances, partly him not being a useful asset to town (even though he should be).
##Vote Vivax
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Indeed. Just give good reasons why johnnywup should live. And more importantly, who instead of him?
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Hmmmm. You do have an interesting theory about him being SK. It's lacking though for reasons you can't know.
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On August 16 2013 04:13 Chromatically wrote:
What townie reads this and thinks this is a scumslip? NO ONE. Maybe in a newbie game this is okay, but there is no way anyone who knows how to play this game (as Risen clearly does) would think this is a scumslip.
Sadly this is where I'm stuck at with him.................
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Hm where is rayn by the way?
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On August 16 2013 04:21 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 04:19 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 04:13 Chromatically wrote:
What townie reads this and thinks this is a scumslip? NO ONE. Maybe in a newbie game this is okay, but there is no way anyone who knows how to play this game (as Risen clearly does) would think this is a scumslip.
Sadly this is where I'm stuck at with him................. Exactly. We're talking about someone who said this: Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 11:47 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him. Scum reads do not equal confirmed scum. You don't seem to agree with this, and I'm going to say you're a bad player because of it. Until you realize the two are different, you'll always be bad. End of story. and yet doesn't know the basics of what makes someone scum? I cannot believe that. Unless you mean you think he's town for it?
I mean it's hard for me to determine if he's the worst townie I've ever seen or a chaotic scum.
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My faith in humanity relies on him being scum, but my sceptic mind suggests that he's just crazy town.
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Sharrant WHY ARE YOU NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS?
WHY SHOULD KUSH BE SPARED? WHO SHOULD BE SHOT INSTEAD OF HIM? EXPLAIN (MORE) WHY JOHNNYWUP IS CLEARLY TOWN?
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On August 16 2013 04:37 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 04:23 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 04:21 Chromatically wrote:On August 16 2013 04:19 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 04:13 Chromatically wrote:
What townie reads this and thinks this is a scumslip? NO ONE. Maybe in a newbie game this is okay, but there is no way anyone who knows how to play this game (as Risen clearly does) would think this is a scumslip.
Sadly this is where I'm stuck at with him................. Exactly. We're talking about someone who said this: On August 15 2013 11:47 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him. Scum reads do not equal confirmed scum. You don't seem to agree with this, and I'm going to say you're a bad player because of it. Until you realize the two are different, you'll always be bad. End of story. and yet doesn't know the basics of what makes someone scum? I cannot believe that. Unless you mean you think he's town for it? I mean it's hard for me to determine if he's the worst townie I've ever seen or a chaotic scum. Look at what his read on Vivax was originally based off of: "He's giving townreads too easily and was noncommittal about the lynch." Which is a good heuristic for finding scum. That shows that Risen does know how to play this game. I cannot believe that someone who has at least a basic knowledge of scumhunting can do something like the Xatalos "scumslip" thing.
The same can be said for most of his doings so far (his fail Sharrant case, fail first casepost etc.). Occasionally he lectures people on how to play yet continues to play terribly. It looks like he knows how to play in theory but never applies it to his own play. I agree, it sounds scummy. Intentional? On the other hand, I do remember him playing terribly in the previous GOT themed Mafia as town. It was a long time ago though.
We're back to the main question: too stupid to be scum or not?
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So me, Onegu, Clarity and s0Lstice have agreed to kill 1) Kush 2) johnnywup. Sharrant disagreed heavily with this (waiting for explanations) and Risen hasn't commented on them. Kush should die with just us four hopefully, but it'd be nice to hear Sharrant's and Risen's stances on a kill list.
1-5 EDT Xatalos
5-9 EDT
9-13 EDT
13-17 EDT
17-21 EDT
21-1 EDT
Pick your times...
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1-5 EDT Xatalos
5-9 EDT
9-13 EDT s0Lstice
13-17 EDT
17-21 EDT
21-1 EDT Onegu
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Decide Clarity 
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On August 16 2013 04:54 Acrofales wrote:Will be reading Vivax after Koshi. Explain yourself.
I think he refers to you trying to derail the Vivax Wagon. Please do comment on Vivax as well.
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Ok then, Risen and Sharrant choose your picks. After commenting on the kill list of course.
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On August 16 2013 04:56 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 04:40 s0Lstice wrote:Chrom, I was trying to think back on what I remember about Risen. Have a look at this filter: clickIt's from SSB-64. He moves around a lot and changes his opinions at a breakneck speed. It can often look like he has no conviction behind his original thought because he so quickly moves on to something else. The context was the same for the s&b vote this game. He settled on the s&b vote, and then quickly moved on to the dialogue with him and not wanting to vote him. Kinda makes sense with the way s&b was here and defending himself with vigor while simultaneously pushing his favored lynch. I originally thought you had a good point with the s&b thing, but in light of this, I don't think it's really alignment indicative. That's a good point. I was noticing how much Risen was moving his vote around to thread sentiment this game, so that might not be alignment-indicative. There is this post, though: Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 05:24 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:21 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:18 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions?
your other answers fall into the category:
[quote] From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. Though to be fair this is an actual point that might make sense if you hadn't just posted a case. He only repeated his earlier weak case and said Vivax was scum for no reason. Why are you soft defending him while voting for him? Wait what? My vote is on SnB. On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote:On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote:On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:
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I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that.
I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false.
1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI.
2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection.
It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.)
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I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him.
I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind.
The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!! I hate people ignoring my case so please link me to or write out exactly what you want answered and I will do so. This is pretty soon after he votes SnB. He makes it clear that he thinks SnB is scum at the beginning, but then cares about SnB's opinion in the second half. It doesn't have the same caring tone that the other post had, but he clearly cared about SnB's opinion while he had a strong scumread on him. It's not as strong, true, but then there's still the other stuff. Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 04:41 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 04:37 Chromatically wrote:On August 16 2013 04:23 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 04:21 Chromatically wrote:On August 16 2013 04:19 Xatalos wrote:On August 16 2013 04:13 Chromatically wrote:
What townie reads this and thinks this is a scumslip? NO ONE. Maybe in a newbie game this is okay, but there is no way anyone who knows how to play this game (as Risen clearly does) would think this is a scumslip.
Sadly this is where I'm stuck at with him................. Exactly. We're talking about someone who said this: On August 15 2013 11:47 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:33 Chromatically wrote:On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote:
And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? It doesn't matter? You're saying that scum Sharrant asked for advice on who to check from town Acro when he was always going to check kush? How does that make SO MUCH more sense than what you posted, so that Sharrant is almost confirmed scum? On August 15 2013 11:16 Risen wrote:On August 15 2013 11:13 s0Lstice wrote:
yea nope
you were concerned with his read on you, not your read on him.
two veeeery different things They're the same thing. You're reading too much into this and obs is laughing at you. Are you seriously threatening people with the OBS QT??? Really? And Sol is exactly right about this. If you believed SnB to be scum, you wouldn't give two shits what his "read" was on you, because it was manufactured anyway. The fact that you cared about his read on you means that you thought he was town, while your vote was on him. Scum reads do not equal confirmed scum. You don't seem to agree with this, and I'm going to say you're a bad player because of it. Until you realize the two are different, you'll always be bad. End of story. and yet doesn't know the basics of what makes someone scum? I cannot believe that. Unless you mean you think he's town for it? I mean it's hard for me to determine if he's the worst townie I've ever seen or a chaotic scum. Look at what his read on Vivax was originally based off of: "He's giving townreads too easily and was noncommittal about the lynch." Which is a good heuristic for finding scum. That shows that Risen does know how to play this game. I cannot believe that someone who has at least a basic knowledge of scumhunting can do something like the Xatalos "scumslip" thing. The same can be said for most of his doings so far (his fail Sharrant case, fail first casepost etc.). Occasionally he lectures people on how to play yet continues to play terribly. It looks like he knows how to play in theory but never applies it to his own play. I agree, it sounds scummy. Intentional? On the other hand, I do remember him playing terribly in the previous GOT themed Mafia as town. It was a long time ago though. We're back to the main question: too stupid to be scum or not? I'm at the other end: too stupid to be town. There's no thought process that results in his thinking what you said is a scumslip. The only explanation is that he's trying to fake finding one. Look at how he backs off of the scumslip. He never realizes, "oh, there's nothing alignment indicative in there at all, I guess that's not a scumslip". He realizes that he misread the original post. That way, he can back off of the "slip" without actually having to explain his thought process (because it doesn't exist).
Hmm. In any case I want to see Vivax hanged more than ever right now. I'm somewhat 50/50 on Risen, but he can be dealt with after Vivax IMO.
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1-5 EDT Xatalos
5-9 EDT FREE
9-13 EDT s0lstice
13-17 EDT Clarity
17-21 EDT FREE
21-1 EDT Onegu
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Why didn't you choose to play for town as Survivor?
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Anyways Vivax is certainly not town now. I'm 50/50 on if he's scum or Survivor, but either way he clearly doesn't care about a town victory. Lynch.
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