GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 159

On August 15 2013 21:44 Mocsta wrote:
I just played with a scum kush and pegged him instantly.

unless he is being coached with what to say; hes playing completely different.

Yes, kush did support a yamato lynch; but i felt it wasnt brought up in a "im right" kinda way.

His filter to me, reads as very unconfident, and thats a town kush as far as im concerned.

Thing is, i dont expect scum to finish him off.. because whats the point?
Its far more valuable for town to waste a lynch (which completely kills someone regardless of how many hp they have)
i.e if scum have 7hp like town seem to have; then 6 town lords cant kill scum in 1 night. so yeah..

On August 15 2013 21:57 Mocsta wrote:
yeah; but thats giving a lot of respect to Kush.

Unfortunately, he doesnt even deserve that level of respect... seriously.. read the scum qt for "sicilian' mafia lol

If you really have that much doubt in kush.. sure shoot him.. but last i checked, the concept of the game was to lynch scum; not clear rid of bad townies.

On August 13 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:
A is true, B is false, C is false A is alone, but B asked C to be false. 

I sent this to jrkirby, I didnt expect him to figure anything out, but wanted to be safe if oberyn lied to thread.

On August 15 2013 22:03 Clarity_nl wrote:


I agree we won't to shoot scum, but I don't understand how you can have such a strong read on him.
My issue is this, if he is scum and we just go "yeah whatever kush is kush" what happens when/if we get to lylo?

You sound confident in the read though, I'll check out sicilian scum qt later. (note how in sicilian obs qt I called kush scum cause he was right about stuff)

On August 14 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote:

Vivax
I liked his first post on Koshi a lot. As at the time I had a scum read on Koshi. Im stuck on Vivax. Since then, I don’t particularly like his posts HOWEVER, I do know for fact he has been very busy outside the game. Its more, Im not sure why he is posting. He seems to be trying to understand the target more; but is not there to follow up. So it becomes pointless, as he does not call them scum either. Again, I want to see more from Vivax regarding iamperfection Day3. Null

Grackaroni
Tough one.. Some things he has done are just so ridiculous you would think only a townie would be so careless. I cant help buy feel this guy is lynchbait, but cant peg why. Prob the whole ‘too scum to be scum’ which he tried to sell when giving his meta. Seemed plausible. Null. I would like to have a better understanding why iamperfection dropped this whole blacksheep earlyu-game stuff on Grack. I cant remember if the reasoning was well detailed.

Raynpelikoneet
Has been bugging me all game. Yet several have a strong town read on him. Some due to PMs which I don’t have access to. Im conflicted. Early game is terrible I think; Mid Day2, is relatively pro-town which balances out. Im not experienced with Rayn, but in Sicilian I felt he was town instantly, and not just because of the pardoner claim. Im not getting that vibe at all; early game he was displayed a lot of “forced aggression” and nitpicking. I think he is scum; but would pick him off last and he is the one I am the least confident about.

Koshi
Had a scum read on him early game. Especially as he maintained his tunnel on oats, which just read as forced points. Long absence; followed by a resurgence in posting late Day2. I actualy don’t mind his recent posting. Willing to give him a chance. Again, I want his opinion on people like chromatically/iamperfection. Null to leaning scum.

Strongandbig
I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town.

On August 15 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Ok. Skimmed all filters and was left with a couple that stuck out to me

Snb
Grackeroni
Koshi
Vivax

Rayn I'm back to 50/50. I think my issue with him is we are treating the same tells 100% opposite. But he's standing up for his belief, as am I. That's indicative of town. So will give him a beeather.

Vivax is scum for sure. His filter is just too "polite" and just prods people but never takes hard stances. Vivax didn't become a respected town player with this type of filter.
I fully endorse a vivax lynch this cycle.

Koshi still sticks out to me. The really poor logic throughout the game. Not wanting to run for lord and then changing mind when an opportunity came through. He has also shown an inflexible mindset. I'm happy with his lynch too.

Grackeroni. I can't pinpoint it off my first skim but.. he's blending it. He shows enough understanding of the thread so is keeping up. But I don't like the moments he chooses to come into the thread. He's not really driving anything so the contributions I feel are fake. Plus u have the whole gumshoe 1hp leak thing. He made a defense of it which was handled well I admit. But too slick compared to his other posts. Smells very funny to me.

Snb.. shoulda realised this earlier. But a town snb always pushes oats as a lynch. Didn't get that this game.. I need to do another read on him too but I don't think yamato pushed him that hard. U could argue he pushed snb as hard as he pushed acro.

In short. My preferred lynch this cycle is vivax.
I can live with snb though.

On August 15 2013 22:22 Xatalos wrote:
Kush is dying tonight. He's on low HP and not playing for town. It would be ridiculous to waste a lynch on him. It would be even more ridiculous to let him live to LYLO. If he's scum, he'll just finish the game with scum. If he's town, it's the easiest mislynch possible (remember that the weakest townies are alive at LYLO to oppose scum). He just needs to die.

On August 15 2013 22:24 Xatalos wrote:
By the way.....

"Strongandbig
I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town."

WHAT?

On August 15 2013 14:50 s0Lstice wrote:
Acro, tell me what you thought of Rayn's filter in Titanic

On August 15 2013 22:27 Mocsta wrote:

I dont really care if Kush is in or out; because I do understand the cons of a town Kush.

Im just saying its poor play because that KP could be used to hit alternative scummy people.

But, if you guys truly dont think he *could* be bad town; then get rid of him.
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As an aside, 3/4 of this game I wouldnt want to end-game with.. so are we going to shoot them all as well?

On August 15 2013 22:29 Mocsta wrote:

Scum SnB in my experience, is always trying to push something.

Thats where that came from. Town often dont give a shit, and live by the 80/20 rule.

Everyone talks about model townies that are transparent and scum hunting; but fact is.. most townies are filled with sheep lurkers, and its the minority that carry the game. Its a heuristic. Reads change; and based on how SnB has handled his pressure this cycle, my read changed and the heuristic was discarded.

On August 15 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote:
I have found that talking to Kush is an utter waste of time. He says one thing, and 10 seconds later he says something entirely different. I feel he has made it his sole purpose to be as useless as possible this game and throw it in our faces.

I don't see any reason why a townie would play like that, so he must be scum. I was asked to compare this to Kush in Smurf. There I get the feeling he is trying to find scum. Here he isn't. He was also about 5 times as active in a smaller, shorter game.

Shoot on sight.

On August 15 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote:
I have found that talking to Kush is an utter waste of time. He says one thing, and 10 seconds later he says something entirely different. I feel he has made it his sole purpose to be as useless as possible this game and throw it in our faces.

I don't see any reason why a townie would play like that, so he must be scum. I was asked to compare this to Kush in Smurf. There I get the feeling he is trying to find scum. Here he isn't. He was also about 5 times as active in a smaller, shorter game.

Shoot on sight.