EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 13
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On August 16 2013 00:11 Mocsta wrote: Clarity. since you are/were here... s0lstice responded to your query.. were you satisfied? (pun intended) Yeah my time with him in pms definitely has made my scumread disappear. That said I don't have the strongest townread on him either but I don't want to lynch him anymore, at least today. I'm kind of underwhelmed by solstice and sharrant their thread presence though... Would be nice if they would fall in line and vote for snb. | ||
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On August 16 2013 01:21 kushm4sta wrote: i literally skim the thread for mentions of my name. Why? nvm... I don't actually want to know. | ||
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On August 16 2013 01:41 Mocsta wrote: This is a point that needs further discussion. Several in the thread ignored the oats/yamato fighting, or tried to write it off as two townies duking it out(e.g. Acrofales) Does this make them scummy? I dunno. Depends if you think I'm scum? I mean, I never called em both town for it or anything but I don't think I ever even commented on it. | ||
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That is your main problem with rayn is it not? btw, snb just said his scum meta is to push oats, and now acro just said his town meta is to push oats. I don't believe in either one since that would be a terrible thing to do, push one person consistently as a particular alignment, but why the difference? | ||
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On August 16 2013 02:38 Risen wrote: I'd rather kill Vivax over SnB, folks. Too much willingness to kill SnB and he has literally had like 0 defenders the entire game. Lot of Vivax apologists, though. Might be a product of the game format. I think 5 of the 6 lords currently are likely town. That doesn't mean I think one of them specifically is scum but the votes are all town. The reason I've defended vivax a bit really is because his n1 pushing of yamato. At one point he told me he had convinced snb that yamato would be a good shot, and he wanted me to ask snb who he'd think was a good shot, to see if he'd mention yamato. When I did, snb said "I'm just going along with iamp's plan of shooting gumshoe" without giving his own opinion. When I pressed and said something like "so you're claiming no responsibility in the outcome? btw vivax told me you agreed on yamato" snb said "yeah, I do agree with the plan, can't change it now since it's night so am shooting gumshoe, but yamato wouldn't be a bad shot" Lots of paraphrasing to hopefully that made sense. I'm not saying it because I believe that makes snb scummy, I'm saying it because I believe it makes vivax more likely to be town. I have had a bunch of interactions with both players and I believe that they can't both be scum together. I think snb is scummier than vivax. I wanna kill snb. If snb keeps contributing like he has today (I liked the dandel post) I might be willing to yolo lynch dandel, though. | ||
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On August 16 2013 03:00 s0Lstice wrote: Let's talk about that yamato vivax thing. Going after yamato in PMs means what exactly. At the end of D1, yamato look pretty clearly bad. The scum team had to recognize this just like the rest of us did. How much credit do we assign Vivax for pushing to make yamato take...1 HP damage? This would be irrelevant just by itself, but even more so if yamato is looking like a lynch tomorrow anyway. I was arguing back at vivax that yamato was null in my eyes. Hell, oats was trying to convince me yamato was town during n1! I was one of the few people that had no clear opinion on yamato, and vivax tried to convince me he's scum. Why? A yamato lynch was nowhere near a certainty d2 without the redcheck. Scum could have easily tried to direct the lynch elsewhere. The only reason a scum vivax would do that is if sharrant was scum too and vivax knew the redcheck was going to happen, and I don't buy that. It's not a perfect explanation, I'm not saying vivax is completely town because of it, but it makes him townier than snb, and as I've said they can't both be scum. | ||
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On August 16 2013 03:02 strongandbig wrote: One other thing: during n2 the only PM vivax sent me about Yamato was basically "what do you think of my case on koshi and oberyn's case on yamato." then in the same PM he asked me a few other questions about my reads on acro and onegu. But he didn't actually try to persuade me at all. IDK what he told you about that exchange but what actually persuaded me on yamato were the points other people made in the thread about how we had to drag reads and contribution out of him like pulling teeth, plus the fact that I thought his push on me was very bad and made me angry at him. Hmm.. I'm gonna go re-read some pms then. I wasn't trying to imply that you shouldn't have shot gumshoe btw, but the fact that when I asked you who you thought were good shots your answer was "we're shooting gumshoe because that was their plan" | ||
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Then he asks me to talk to snb without revealing I talked to him to see if snb mentions yamato. snb, you're saying One other thing: during n2 the only PM vivax sent me about Yamato was basically "what do you think of my case on koshi and oberyn's case on yamato." then in the same PM he asked me a few other questions about my reads on acro and onegu. But he didn't actually try to persuade me at all. IDK what he told you about that exchange but what actually persuaded me on yamato were the points other people made in the thread about how we had to drag reads and contribution out of him like pulling teeth, plus the fact that I thought his push on me was very bad and made me angry at him. This is all correct? Yamato are you around, can you explain this? | ||
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Wait, that's not a sack of balls, that's a sack of potatoes! | ||
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On August 16 2013 03:14 s0Lstice wrote: Why couldn't scum do this? I bussed fuba and stutters all game in Basterd Mini because I knew I wasn't putting them in real danger. How damaging is it to yamato for Vivax to make you go from null to scum on him? Not very. It only gets easier to rule it out as a scum on scum interaction if Vivax was here in thread pushing yamato's lynch with force when it was unpopular and seeing it through to the end, and even then you can never be sure Yamato was basically a good bus. If I was scum I'd have probably bussed the shit out of him towards the end of Day 1. I just don't see those PMs being conclusive either way. I think there was a small chance of yamato getting lynched pre redcheck. I think had vivax convinced me there would have been a much much bigger chance. See no reason to do it as scum, especially since only I would give him towniepoints for it and no one else. That said, this pm stuff snb pointed out looks pretty bad for vivax, maybe, let's see if he shows up. | ||
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snb did a nice dissection of why his thread stuff looks scum, although the house list really isn't indicative of anything, it was asked for. So I guess I'd like to hear more from sharrant and acro first. | ||
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5-9 EDT Clarity? 9-13 EDT Clarity? 13-17 EDT Clarity? 17-21 EDT 21-1 EDT Onegu | ||
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1-5 EDT Xatalos 5-9 EDT Clarity? 9-13 EDT s0lstice 13-17 EDT Clarity? 17-21 EDT 21-1 EDT Onegu | ||
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I'll take either one is my point. So whoever wants one of those two just take it put me in the other. Acro's case is reasonable, I'm fine with keeping my vote on snb, it is the wagon of justice after all. | ||
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