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On August 12 2013 17:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fucking vet shield.
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Seriously though, Ace has had less time to be useful than the other useless lurkers / apathetic scummy players. That's why I think he shouldn't be the priority kill. It's not just his veteran status.
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On August 12 2013 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 17:11 Xatalos wrote:
Seriously though, Ace has had less time to be useful than the other useless lurkers / apathetic scummy players. That's why I think he shouldn't be the priority kill. It's not just his veteran status. Ace is posting. And its been useless. Why as town does Ace post useless things Xata? Is it cause Ace is bad?
Dunno. But don't you think he'd show at least some effort to look useful if he was scum? Whatever, I'm not against lynching/killing him, it's just that there are more pressing matters (Vivax/Snb/Kush).
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On August 12 2013 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 17:40 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 12 2013 17:11 Xatalos wrote:
Seriously though, Ace has had less time to be useful than the other useless lurkers / apathetic scummy players. That's why I think he shouldn't be the priority kill. It's not just his veteran status. Ace is posting. And its been useless. Why as town does Ace post useless things Xata? Is it cause Ace is bad? Dunno. But don't you think he'd show at least some effort to look useful if he was scum? Whatever, I'm not against lynching/killing him, it's just that there are more pressing matters (Vivax/Snb/Kush). Well some effort he has shown. Its just not very good.
I guess so. I wouldn't really mind killing him. I just don't think it's the optimal choice atm.
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On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim?
What exactly do you mean with "assumably"?
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On August 12 2013 18:40 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 12:14 Oberyn wrote:On August 10 2013 06:40 Oberyn wrote:On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.
The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much. I'd like to take another look at this post. Dandel suggests that the most likely situation is that koshi and sol are scum buddies. However, at an earlier point he explained how sol was lying and misrepresenting his town abilities in a pm with koshi and that koshi reported back to dandel with this information. Is is just me or does it make absolutely no sense that a scum player would decide to campaign to convince his own scum buddy, then that scum buddy would report the misrepresentation back to a town player. I really don't understand how dandel could come to a conclusion that they are both mafia. Dandel, could you please comment on this post. Additionally, why did you choose to disappear at the end of d1? No I won't Look for somebody else to softpush. Did you know I will disappear at the end of every day? It's called 6 AM. Agreed. That's actually why I told chrom to shoot the scum slot last night, so that this could be avoided. At that time I didn't know there was a list On which the hyperlurker wasn't even on. For no discernable reason. I blame the maker of the list. Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 17:40 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 12 2013 17:11 Xatalos wrote:
Seriously though, Ace has had less time to be useful than the other useless lurkers / apathetic scummy players. That's why I think he shouldn't be the priority kill. It's not just his veteran status. Ace is posting. And its been useless. Why as town does Ace post useless things Xata? Is it cause Ace is bad? Dunno. But don't you think he'd show at least some effort to look useful if he was scum? Whatever, I'm not against lynching/killing him, it's just that there are more pressing matters (Vivax/Snb/Kush). No, not particularily. The same argument is that he would read the thread if he was town. tl;dr: It's intentionally shit play, which means shoot him. tho i agree we need to shoot/lynch kush as well.
Do you think Oberyn is scum or why would you talk to him like that? He's legitimately asking you. He doesn't need to accept everything at face value even if you're semi-confirmed town, does he?
Dunno what Ace is doing. I agree that he's probably scum, but it's weird how little he seems to care at all.
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On August 12 2013 20:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
I would answer if it mattered in any way at all.
Alas, it does not.
Hmm. Well, maybe so. It wouldn't hurt to answer anyway.
By the way, I think Risen could be scum after all. His first post was so terrible that I thought it couldn't have come from scum. BUT he hasn't really done anything after that. Maybe it was just a tactic of "too stupid to be scum" or something. He didn't push his "reads" at all and I don't know if he even believed in them. He shouldn't be a priority, but not someone to treat as town. I'm eager to see his updated reads though.
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On August 12 2013 20:33 Vivax wrote:
So Oberyn fakeclaimed watcher and Onegu fakeclaimed medic in an attempt to lure out the scum roleblocker?
Fine idea, risky play. You also had the potential to scare a potential town jailkeeper into claiming.
Xatalos, Onegu points out in an answer to Grack that the latter knew of Onegu's PM activity without being supposed to know. He could only know if Oberyn passed that information to you, and you to Grackaroni. Did this exchange happen?
What do you mean? I'm not a Lord.
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On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim.
What would I achieve by fakeclaiming being roleblocked? The only reason I can think of is that game where I was scum and used our RB repeatedly on myself to gain townie points. Do you refer to that? If so, do you think I'm scum? There is really no other sensible reason to fakeclaim being roleblocked that I can think of. So why do you still doubt my claim?
Also, do you think Oberyn and Onegu made a public alliance to lure out a jailer? That seems pretty far-fetched to say the least.
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On August 12 2013 21:09 Vivax wrote:Pretty sure you were lord when Grackaroni wrote the post Onegu is quoting here. It was D1. + Show Spoiler +On August 12 2013 01:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote:Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town. After that he started making posts such On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote:
Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet?
I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why:
1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house.
2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start.
3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum.
4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time.
5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps.
6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful).
7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on.
8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum.
9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency.
I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists:
1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.
This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? I wanted to point out this post, first how does he know we havent talked to jrkirby much, actually at this point in time I had actually started to PM more often than I had been, graken isnt a lord and we didnt say to much in post about our pms with jrkirby, it was yamato we hadnt talked to much. He also talks about blending in but thats not what jrkirby did he brought up points that werent being talked about. Jrkirby always looks scummy and is a very easy target for scum to pick up on and make it look like they are searching scum when they are just going after a weaker player. He then goes on with a bunch of short posts agreeing with random things and basicly dropping kirby. And stays talking about the DI s0l thing alot. Then once he sees a bandwagon starting he jumps on it saying I should be voted. And he goes back and forth on the gumshoe kill and what happened alot. I have a slight scum read on him.
Are you even reading the thread at all?
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On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim. I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it. Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata. What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming?
Well, if one of them flips scum, this should certainly be considered. But at the moment they both feel town so I don't see why we should start to suspect them based on a pretty unlikely (although not impossible) scenario.
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It was Oberyn's idea though so he should be your "main suspect", I guess.
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I was briefly considering if rayn could be scum but I came back with the conclusion that he has to be town. Clearly too much pro-town effort.
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On August 12 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim. I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it. Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata. What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming? Assume you are town jailkeeper, why do you not claim? You're using logic that works both ways and are applying it to only one side. Could one of onegu/oberyn be scum? yeah. Could both be? I'm pretty sure not so much. That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim. Unless i know the cake is a lie.
Or unless I was AFK for the duration. But you're right, it does make sense that X would have known the truth. So do you think Oberyn is scum?
Could you answer my earlier question btw?
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On August 12 2013 21:28 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in Ace´s posts makes him scum?
Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess.
O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim. I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it. Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata. What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming? Assume you are town jailkeeper, why do you not claim? You're using logic that works both ways and are applying it to only one side. Could one of onegu/oberyn be scum? yeah. Could both be? I'm pretty sure not so much. That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim. Unless i know the cake is a lie. I considered oberyn's claim to be a possible fakeclaim. I thought Onegu's claim was real though. If I am scum I just hope it's a fakeclaim because if I claim jailkeeper in thread I'm getting lynched regardless.
That might be what happened as well.
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On August 12 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xata, what earlier question?
What would I achieve by fakeclaiming being roleblocked? The only reason I can think of is that game where I was scum and used our RB repeatedly on myself to gain townie points. Do you refer to that? If so, do you think I'm scum? There is really no other sensible reason to fakeclaim being roleblocked that I can think of. So why do you still doubt my claim?
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On August 12 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 21:34 Xatalos wrote:On August 12 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xata, what earlier question? What would I achieve by fakeclaiming being roleblocked? The only reason I can think of is that game where I was scum and used our RB repeatedly on myself to gain townie points. Do you refer to that? If so, do you think I'm scum? There is really no other sensible reason to fakeclaim being roleblocked that I can think of. So why do you still doubt my claim? I don´t think you are fakeclaiming roleblocked. I think you are the towniest player in this game besides Dandel. I was just sayin you MIGHT be not telling the truth, not that i think it´s the case here. Because that would be super good scum powerplay, claim roleblocked, fakeclaim watcher, fakeclaim medic, make town assume wrong number of roleblockers/jailers/whatever, nothing seems scummy to anyone. Just a good play to "bait out scum roleblocker".
The WIFOM is strong with this one O.o
Wouldn't that all fall apart if one of us flipped scum? Then that'd mean (almost) game over. For no very meaningful gain.
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Not to mention that I think both Oberyn and Onegu are town. And you think I'm town. So it's just a very far-fetched WIFOM theory.
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I actually think Koshi is probably town from his reaction here. It feels genuine.
On August 12 2013 22:50 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm so tired of fakeclaims.... it happens like every game now.
Lynch the fake claimers so we won't have to deal with this shit in future games IMO>>>>>>>>>
This is your only contribution so far? Do you have any other opinions than policy? Like who's scum and why perhaps?
On August 12 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 22:09 Onegu wrote:
and he is getting looked at alot more than he would have if he never claimed. Best case for a scum Oberyn is he trades himself for one blue. Doesnt seem legit No, if town JK did claim, there is no reason to think Oberyn is suddenly more/less scummy than he was before. It has nothing to do with Oberyn and the JK dying does not necessarily mean he is mafia. What means is that he outed a blue, whatever alignment he is.
There could indeed be a scum motivation for this fakeclaim (by Oberyn). It's still only a possibility and not likely IMO.
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On August 12 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote:
@Xatalos: I believed you could be a Blackfyre yesterday because you have NOT been holding loooong embellished speeches that say nothing in very many words, and instead you have said nothing in far less words. Your play yesterday was never to push anybody nor have any real suspicions. You pushed me based on the very same reasons you pushed me in PTP, where I was loyal from the very start and I thought you would have learned your lesson at that jousting tournament, if you were in fact loyal.
Obviously this was all largely academic when I thought you had been locked up and Oberyn had watched someone lock you in at home. Now that the latter is no longer corroborative evidence, I am not quite as sure on how to continue. Your contributions have still been extremely subpar, and your style of discourse is not nearly as fluffy as I remember from your previous escapades. For now it doesn't matter as we will kill the rogue Yamato.
The difficult deadline timing and lack of having a vote may have affected my effectiveness a bit, but I'd say I have been still much more useful than you. Most of my rambling text is in PMs I guess. Although I do still have some in thread. What do you think of iamperfection and your interactions with him? He keeps trusting you and I wonder if you have a take on that.
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