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On July 30 2013 03:38 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, first thing I have to do is take my scum accusation on Vivax back. I went through his filter and it looks really, really townie. Among other, less important reasons because of those: He defended Paper very early when there was no reason for scum to do so. He attacked me with a stupid case but backed off a little when he noticed he overlooked something I said. His logic for the case against xrz looks good. I don't know if I agree with the whole case though (have to look at xrz again before). He generally makes sense. The only things I don't understand are: Why do you compare case patterns, Vivax? Is it because you think one player writes them for the whole scumteam? I think that would be too obvious and very stupid. I still don't like your unvote. You claim to have not known the fact that Paper still would be lynched at that point and that you wanted to cause a no-lynch. I can't understand this. If you would have succeeded then we would be in the dark for a whole cycle where we can't really analyse based on any facts. I personally find that to be horrible. Besides you would be extremely likely to be mislynched the next day because of your unvote. It wastes a whole cycle... The only kind of reasonable explanation (at least for me) for the unvote is that you are scum and you knew Paper would still be lynched, so you tried to get town cred/fuck with other peoples minds. I am not sure that this is the case because you are so townie after all and because I have to admit it would be really bold for scum to make this stunt so for now you are town to me, but it's still weird. No, it has to do with the way scum attacks others. Pick target -> Find every post that could look townie in his filter -> Quote them -> Write a bunch of scummy shit you can find in each post -> Summarize, say X IS SCUM, GET ON HIM -> Vote -> Contribution finished. | ||
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Another really good example is scumArtanis in Pick your Power Boardwalk Empire, just look at the pattern, it's amazingly similar to what clarity and xrz wrote. On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi Geript. Translates to Why on earth would a townie post this? WHY? Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. Investigation and protective roles are truly awful for town. Who'd want less KP at night in the game, right? This post apparently makes Mocsta town. In what world can scum not make a post like this? What is it about this post that makes you read him as this apparent townMocsta? Also, as Mocsta already brought up On its own it's not lynchworthy, but with how poorly scumript has been playing so far I'd say this adds to the case. Vote scum. Vote Geript. | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax, you have a point in your logic regarding those people. I think exazeree looks really fucking awful with his latest contributions. I am not sure about Clarity, he looks like a really bright dude. Who was the third person, JAT? I'm not sure about him either, there were some townie things i pointed out to Oats i found out about him near the lynch. What do you think of them? Also, flank looks like he has a fucking red stamp painted all over him if i ignore the Oats stuff he said. Should i ignore that? Koshi looks significantly better by his contributiond on N1. FT has disappeared and i think he is mafia. Thoughts? I didn't like how JAT joined the PS wagon especially. His reasons were a bunch of disagreements he had with PS's reads, and he seems to lack townie drive (that is quite subjective though, basically communicating as much as possible, pointing out scummy things, try to let yourself get heard) and the activity is generally underwhelming, Not sure what to make of his latest post where he townreads me, I agree with all the reasons, but I don't know why he thinks this is the time to write a townread post on me, if anything it increases the chance I get NKd, although it's probably pretty high anyway cause I can already get away with the shit I've done between almost no-lynching and fakeclaiming vig. FT hardpushed XRZ, I believe you'll have to pick one of them cause i don't see that being a bus at all. What I didn't like about Clarity was his FT case and that he's being rather in the sidelines during this night aside from a few post, but I didn't go through his whole filter yet. I'm not very fond of you either tbh. | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can we agree on Oats and Cora being town vivax? Yeah sure. | ||
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On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote: FirmTofu would like us all to actually discuss the game, instead of all this fluff that's going on, like everyone talking about the lurker lynch policy! Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point. Firmtofu before this point however, did not discuss anything other than lurker lynch policy: + Show Spoiler + On July 27 2013 09:25 FirmTofu wrote: Okay, I'm back on a computer. This comes up every game. How scummy does someone have to be for you to want to lynch them over a lurker? You have to consider that lynching lurkers provides very little information whereas lynching scummy people might tell us a lot about how people are related to one another. On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote: To all of you that are out there... Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not? On July 27 2013 09:41 FirmTofu wrote: Personally, I think we should use it as a last resort. Lynch a lurker only if 1) Half the town is lurking or 2) All the active people look genuinely helpful/useful and none of them look like good lynches. Shitting on town, regardless of if you're being a hypocrite or not, is something scum love doing. ========================================================================================= If you actually went through the trouble of looking at the context of FT's post at the time, he posted it right after Vayne posted the gif of the gal with the crooked teeth, and Koshi counted to 3 in the thread. He didn't complain about the lurker discussion, he complained about general bullshit posting. ========================================================================================= Then there is the useless vote with an easy out, classic scum: "I am voting for you, and I will keep my vote on you until you do X!" This is not a vote to kill scum, this is a vote to have a vote on someone, and he backs off the moment his demands are met. Not only does he back off the moment he's able to, he's also wishy-washy about the case itself. ========================================================================================= That wasn't a vote to kill scum, that was a vote to get XRZ to post his scumreads. And he backed off the moment he did it. Did you really think that made FT scum? You are saying he just did it for the sake of voting. I see a guy using his vote to get information for town, don't you think? ========================================================================================= But the most troubling things I found were his last two posts: Notice how he explains that he's having a hard time reading CJS because of his roleplay, and Paperscraps would be a good lynch too because he's hard to read. That's all well and good, pressure them to be more easier to read, but the mindset is revealed in the part I bolded. He first claims that if he had to lynch someone it would be CJS or Paper because they're currently hard to read, but now he's suddenly saying he's suspicious that they're scum? why? Then he throws a random unsolicited townread into his post, because scum love giving townreads. ========================================================================================= Do scum love giving townreads? I don't know man. It really depends. It usually means they can hardly push suspicion on the guy they townread without having to explain themselves for the townread. In fact, you can catch scum by finding unexplainable townreads. As for your other arguments, I don't understand why someone can't assume that people who post fluff and make themselves hard to read are scum. How does that opinion make FT scum?Like, what's so scum agenda-like about what he was doing? ========================================================================================= This post is the epitome of useless. Instead of focusing on the information we do have, Firm decides to point out that there's no point in scumhunting because for all we know all the people who haven't posted are scum. FirmTofu is pretty likely scum and our best lynch right now. ========================================================================================= Did FT exclusively post that and not do anything else? Had that been the case, then this argument might have been valid, but given that Tofu had shown enough effort before, I don't think this applies at all. ========================================================================================= I really don't like this case broski. | ||
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On July 30 2013 05:16 exarezee wrote: Wait and see. Again, I've never played in a game where you can talk N1. I usually have more information to work with at this stage. I have to leave in about 1hr 15 min and will be gone for the rest of N1 phase, but I'm sure I'll be alive tomorrow. And If I do happen to die, it will be a benefit to your eyes. So my plan is to wait and see what happens during the N1 action phase and then contribute D2 if i'm still there. Opinion on my dissection of the clarity case? Do you think that case came from a townie? | ||
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But aren't you doing exactly what you say is wrong with my case? just picking it apart, finding "mistakes" I'm fact checking you, and asking you about things I disagree with. Furthermore, I don't say at the end "Clarity is scum and should be lynched". That is something that seems hasty, and doesn't show the intent of gaining information from you, it shows intent of hammering you. Anyway, I want to keep this as objective as possible, so let's just keep talking. On July 30 2013 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Why not bring it up day 1? Like, way earlier. Also, yes the case comes on stronger than my read was at the time, but that's the point, I pressure FT and see how he reacts, and he WAS my strongest read at the time so I pushed him Cause I don't always play to the best of my ability, and I had other clues to go after D1. I found FT scummy myself, and you rather townie at first impression. Reading thoroughly requires a lot of time, I'm already spending more than I'd want to on reading and writing so I don't have the perfect overview of the game. Anyway, I'm still going through your filter, if I find something I'll tell you. Ezpz. | ||
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On July 30 2013 05:26 exarezee wrote: I remember clarity's case clearly from reading it on day 1. He along with hzflank, I liked a lot of their posts. I even directly told clairty i liked all his posts except one. I think he approached the case from a town perspective. I think you could make your case as a townie or scum. You do the same thing you fault him for. You dissect the case and point out mistakes. He does not really have any logical mistakes. And you do not show insight as to why he would do something as a town and not as scum. Town wants to solve the game and gain information. Scum wants to act like townie and cause mislynches. If someone posts a bunch of summarized reasons without a real conclusive reasoning behind it, drops a vote, and fucks off afterwards cause they feel they just contributed then it's probably scum. | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote: I kinda want to lynch Koshi now. I can't explain him not giving a read with reasons as town, but I can't explain it if he's scum either. Doesn't make sense as either alignment = scum. What's this random mention of vigi? If you were vigi (which is town only) why would you shoot someone trying to lynch you, or why would the person trying to lynch you be afraid of that. I'm confused. On July 29 2013 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Although I disagree with most of what he's said since he came back, he seems to be trying to figure the game out. Also OMG FOUND A SCUMSLIP classic town, hard to fake. At the very least don't lynch him today. I'm gonna be gone for a couple of hours but will be back with plenty of time to spare. I suggest people look into Oats, Stutters and Malongo. Right now I think I'm willing to lynch Malongo (waiting on him to show up first) or Stutters. | ||
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Reasons for it after the night, I found something else in your filter that's pretty damning. | ||
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I used to be such a pain in the ass as town. | ||
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On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote: Sparrow pfff another smurf. So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 9. Stutters695 In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster 4. IMCaptainJackSparrow 10. hzflank 14. exarezee Everyone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflank Id be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ). | ||
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On July 30 2013 06:27 Clarity_nl wrote: I dunno Vivax, if only I mentioned that in my case on him  SHUT UP SCUM. STOP PROFANATING THIS THREAD WITH YOUR NEFARIOUS PRESENCE. | ||
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How could I be so blind. What the fuck is this. On July 29 2013 08:48 FirmTofu wrote: 7. Malongo On July 29 2013 08:50 FirmTofu wrote: If paper flips green, I'm not sure what to think. I'm pretty sure that you and Malongo are town though. malongo - scum for buddying. hz wagon is just a way to push off votes from paper to someone else. | ||
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