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On July 27 2013 18:37 exarezee wrote:
It's difficult to ascertain tone and sarcasm and some of these less subtle jokes on the internet. I even indicated I thought paperscraps was joking early on. But when posts have 0 use and possibly 0 intentions of helping the scum hunt...then it's not really a funny joke anymore. Paperscrap's posts were really poor imo for a townie, but I can accept the possibility that he was "not being serious".
I don't find the indication he's mentioning in his filter, does anyone else? I just see him using PS' joke posts against PS.
That said, I wonder why XRZ doesn't mind Vayne bullshitting up the thread with obvious troll posts up until this point, and only has eyes for PS, that isn't consistent at all with his indication that he thinks bullshit posts aren't townie (the underlined part)
I also don't understand why he says he can accept the possibility of the posts being joke posts when it ends up having no relevance for his read. He still keeps pushing him afterwards.
@ Clarity
I'm not just thowing three accusations and seeing what sticks. I'm seeing three people who I think have a chance at being scum make cases in very similar ways. Going through post by post in their target's filter and summarize things that are supposed to attract people to the wagon.
It's true that what got you caught in LXI wasn't just the style of the case, but it's also true that it's the style of case you made as scum.
If you're indeed town and want me to convince on it, it would be appreciated if you gave me your insight on my other suspects. You can imagine I'm interested in seeing how you guys interact with each other.
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On July 29 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One thing that bothers me about exarezee is that he says he has played 200 games of mafia but has no idea what wifom means..
So what, is he scum for that?
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Clarity, how happy are you with the suggestion XRZ (exarezee) and Vayne as next two lynches?
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Rayn, XRZ scum
Two of Vayne/Clarity/JAT pretty much.
I'm not stopping to post this night until I've convinced town that XRZ is scum. Case incoming.
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Need a closer look at Rayn before deciding definitely though.
Am I not scum any more rayn?
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On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here.
This guy thinks PS joke vote still makes him scum. Remember his previous post where he said he could accept the possibility that it was a joke post? Well yeah, he doesn't. That post was perfectly pointless, he's waffling around PS and FT, and thinks they are both scum for their votes on him. All other reasons XRZ mentioned in his case don't seem to matter any more, as shown in the next post.
On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.
I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.
Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.
This post is important. Why? Cause it proves XRZ's previous case was bad, and scummy, like I said. He summarized some points he thought PS was wrong about and used them against him, and only one point was the joke post PS made.
What's scummy? All the other points XRZ mentioned in his case don't matter at all now. The only thing he's deeming important now is that joke post by PS, and he says that if he believed that it was really a joke post by PS, then it would only become a slight scum lean, effectively admitting that all points XRZ previously mentioned against PS didn't really matter to him, proving his "case" was fake.
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Btw that was a pretty slamdunk case on XRZ.
One correction though:
thinks they are both scum for their votes on him
XRZ emphasizes that he only thinks one of the guys is scum, not that both are, cause it would "attract too much attention to scum to vote him like that".
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On July 29 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
So bad tunneling townie or scum Vivax? I dunno, Im willing to let him stay alive for a bit and lynch other dudes first.
Did you read it, Oats? Did you understand it? Doesn't seem like.
He's ignoring his own reasons for having PS as scumread, basing evertyhing on that joke post even though he mentioned other reasons as well.
What did he write those other points for, in your opinion?All that shit about lurker discussion PS was apparently wrong about, if he then starts judging PS only for one thing.
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On July 29 2013 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 23:12 Vivax wrote:On July 29 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
So bad tunneling townie or scum Vivax? I dunno, Im willing to let him stay alive for a bit and lynch other dudes first. Did you read it, Oats? Did you understand it? Doesn't seem like. He's ignoring his own reasons for having PS as scumread, basing evertyhing on that joke post even though he mentioned other reasons as well. What did he write those other points for, in your opinion?All that shit about lurker discussion PS was apparently wrong about, if he then starts judging PS only for one thing. I did read it. And it could be bad tunneling townie.
And you think bad tunneling townies forget their reasons for calling someone scum like that?
How is it tunneling anyway if he throws away his case to weaken his own read of PS?
He could have gone like: "Joke post or not, he's still scum for the other reasons I mentioned". That would have been tunneling townie.
Instead he doesn't care about his OWN REASONS.
How is that even tunneling townie.
Jesus christ, Oats.
How do you explain he's ignoring Vayne for posting trash when saying this:
Posting some fluff for the sake of posting and then disappearing is not. I'd rather he didn't post at all, or just make a "i'm going to bed see you guys tomorrow" post instead.
But when posts have 0 use and possibly 0 intentions of helping the scum hunt...then it's not really a funny joke anymore.
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On July 29 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have already explained why it's easy to fake finding a scumslip, and why it might even be beneficial.
Do i really need to quote my own posts regarding that?
The scumslip thing is not alignment indicative.
Cool story bro.
You could also post reasons for why he's scum.
Not just fight reasons for which others give him a townread.
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Stop defending me you mofos lol.
You want an explanation why I didn't pay attention to FT's case? Didn't read it. I found him scummy since he complained about me avoiding his questions, not for his case, and I didn't pay attention to XRZ at the time.
I'll also add that while me and FT often mention the same posts, our observations and conclusions seem to be different.
That's what I get from having just looked through his case at least. I argue that XRZ is scum for mentioning reasons he stops seeing as important, unless I missed something that's not an argument Tofu uses.
The part we have in common is the way XRZ could accept that it was a joke post, but doesn't really get conclusive on it.
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On July 29 2013 23:46 exarezee wrote:
And to address your main case against me Virax.
I lessened my scum read on papers when he posted that his entire day of posts was a joke. The higher the chance I think he was actually joking the whole time, then, the less scummy I deem his posts. However, the next time he comes to the thread, he goes back on the fact that his entire day was a joke. He said that he was trying to get a read from me. Is trying to get a read from someone a joke? The rest of his day's posts were poor too. That is what reinforced my read on him as a scum.
It's not that his entire day of posts was a joke, his vote on you was a joke, and his "let's go lurk" post was sarcastic.
You also used arguments in his previous posts, where he discusses lurker lynching, against him.
Oats, weren't you the guy who said that scum doesn't get jokes? Why do you have such a hardon for defending this guy?
Anyway, XRZ's waffling on the joke shit was ridiculous. Here again, the points of his case:
2nd post. A pretty safe post leaving himself wiggle room. Says he doesn't mind voting a lurker because they are a libability later in the game. True, but it's more of a liability to lose the game before we get to late game. Backs it up that it's hard to get a read...reinforcing his idea that it's not a bad idea to lynch a lurker.
So he knows that we need interactions between the dead and alive to figure out this game. How does he still advocate lynching a lurker? It is basically a waste of a day to lynch someone with few to no interactions. Have the vigilante shoot them for crying out loud or force the scum to night kill them.
This is part of XRZ's case on PS, and these parts so far are simply points he disagrees about with PS, and yet he uses it to push him as scum target.
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These are the points PS joked about that XRZ uses against him.
Leaves for a bit then comes back with this. I've thrown him the softest of scum leans and he comes back with a 1 liner. Notice how none of his previous posts have been similar to this at all.
This is just terrible on so many different levels. I'm not even sure how to interpret this. It makes you look scummy at worst or a useless townie at best. I have absolutely 0 idea why you would post this if you were a townsperson.
Now I ask you again, even if XRZ assumed that the last two were joke posts, how did his first two arguments have any value as argument for PS being scum? If he mentions them to prove that PS is scum, why does he ignore them when he's told that PS was joking about the last two, but the first two still apply, cause they clearly were serious?
The answer is that his first two arguments for PS being scum were not just bad, but also were only posted to push a mislynch on PS, they hold no scumhunting value EVEN for the same guy who posted them, and that's why he stops considering them even when the last two arguments were possibly invalid.
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On July 30 2013 01:06 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 19:34 justanothertownie wrote:
But to answer your question:
gut-wise and without thinking it through very well the 4 persons I would probably lynch are:
koshi, hzflank, maybe stutters/vayne and you
Take this with a grain of salt. Wait a second... You would lynch both Koshi and me? Why? What is it about the interactions between Koshi and I that look scum-scum to you?
He said to take this with a grain of salt.
So he can tell you his fake reads and still justify it when people realize he's lying.
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Btw I'll be shooting Vayne tonight, cause he's a jackass.
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Wow I should read the vig description before fakeclaiming.
I thought it was standard nightvig, not vig that shoots at any time.
Anyway I want the real vig to shoot Vayne 10 minutes into Day 1.
I actually want a gun so I can shoot the fucker myself.
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This game is terrible.
I wish I rolled mafia in this town :/
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On July 30 2013 02:18 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah okay fuck Vayne and vig him once its day unless hes done something useful during this nightphase.
++ towniepoints
On July 30 2013 02:20 Koshi wrote:
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SHOOTING VAYNE YOU FUCKERS?
WE GOT A PERFECT SCUM TARGET IN HZFLANK AND YOU ARE GOING TO SHOOT SOMEBODY WHO IS ANNOYING?
YOU SCUM VIVAX?
-- towniepoints
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Vayne, what do you think about the fact that I have the filter size in this game that I had after 6 days in that game where I rolled scum?
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On July 30 2013 02:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
I think that the roulette setup was stupid and shitty so you didn't really care as much. Also the fact that your PR got killed first day.
I think hzflank is a lot scummier than you anyway after his interaction with koshi. Read like shit so ill be voting him unless anything really weird happens tonight or tomorrow.
What exactly didn't you like about hzflank, honeybear?
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If you spent more time arguing on why somebody is scum it would lend more strength to your cause rather than complaining all the time that I have a scumread on you, cause that's what you have been doing this night phase.
What's your take on Vayne, Rayn, Clarity, Koshi etc etc., what are your current scumreads?
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