It seems pretty obvious scum only has 1kp so you have to remember the game is balanced around that as well. In a normal 12/4 after n2 you're looking at 8/4 or 9/3 and scum might have another night of 2kp depending on the host(if kp rounds up or down).

Stutters695

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August 02 2013 20:21 GMT

#3645

On August 03 2013 05:05 hzflank wrote:

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But this was a 10/4, not a 12/4, and therefore balanced around 1 KP from the start.

Right but if I were scum and everything was balanced along the lines of the usual 4/1 ratio or given the option to do 10/4 w/ 1kp I'd take the 12/4 every game. The power gained from taking an extra night kill is significantly more useful for scum for disrupting town than starting with two less town. As such I'd expect the power role ratio to be off from a normal game.

Stutters695

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August 02 2013 20:38 GMT

#3656

Everything else does though lol.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

August 02 2013 20:46 GMT

#3659

Rayn quick question for you now that everything is out there. Haven't you claimed a PR before as VT? If so what was your mindset in doing it and why isn't it something XRZ would consider. I'm a little concerned that he would fess up to fake claiming after just getting a scum lynch if he was scum since he's almost confirmed cop if he plays it out, spoon feeds town reads through checks knowingwho is town.

If it wasn't you who fake claimed disregard that part but can you reason with me on why this is a good play for scum XRZ to make?

Stutters695

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August 02 2013 21:13 GMT

#3667

Hz: why does XRZ give up on the charade? He can ride that for town for days at the expense of sacrificing their RB to keep him "perma-blocked". The only way that plan falls flat is if Clarity flips scum and gives away that they don't have an RB. Saying he faked the check puts himself into major shit and if he flips scum it practically guarantees he bussed Mal to save Cora or FT(probably Cora) and scum is losing three members in four days. It doesn't make sense.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

August 02 2013 21:15 GMT

#3668

I'm just trying to wrap my head around it.

Stutters695

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August 02 2013 21:40 GMT

#3681

Can you elaborate please? I see some stuff that makes me want to lynch him yet there is some stuff that actually had a point(Rayn is town but his cop claim was very weirdly timed.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

August 02 2013 22:05 GMT

#3696

Can't believe I'm saying this ever, but I agree with Koshi. Gonna go read it in context and try to make sense of this.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

August 02 2013 22:21 GMT

#3704

What I see Hz is he didn't check Clarity because if someone else claimed RB he'd assume that clarity must be town since then an RB exists. That logic is faulty since scum can easily hide an RB n1 if they don't have a good idea of who is blue(I tried to withhold it in Basterd iirc, but no one else wanted to) but it doesn't show a slip in his thinking.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

August 02 2013 22:23 GMT

#3705

On August 03 2013 07:19 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
XRC's read on Clarity was based on his disbelief of the rb claim. If scum had rb'd someone else, XRC would've said the same thing. He did not out himself as a fake-cop when he talked about Clarity. You're trying to catch smoke on that one.

You guys making association cases before flips are so stupid.

So who do we lynch then all-powerful and wise Cora?

Stutters695

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August 03 2013 00:03 GMT

#3781

Well the points on solving this through an XRZ lynch makes sense. I'm in

##vote: XRZ

Stutters695

2610 Posts

August 03 2013 00:04 GMT

#3782

Oh and if we don't lynch Tofu tomorrow, I'm going to flip my shit. No one wants that.

Stutters695

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August 03 2013 00:43 GMT

#3786

On August 03 2013 09:21 justanothertownie wrote:

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Btw. things like that make me feel you are either scum orchestrating a gigantic play or town (who thinks I could be scum) setting up a trap for me...

Hz is town. If you're town and he is trying to set a trap for you, there's nothing to worry about right? Why dies that even concern you?

Stutters695

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August 04 2013 14:30 GMT

#3943

On August 04 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:

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why do we need to make a case?

Because it's MYLO(assuming no save) and if we're wrong we lose? Why is he better than FT?

GG XRZ, last fucking time I decide to lynch off of some pre-flip shit.

Stutters695

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August 04 2013 14:52 GMT

#3953

On August 04 2013 23:34 hzflank wrote:

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Well why did you not put in the effort to try to defend him then?

I was wracking my brain for reasons for the cop claim play and trying to work out if he was more likely scum or town. It was not just pre-flip shit. I don't recall you pushing hard to save him.

I kept providing reasons he would lie as town in that scenario to make sense. In the end between what we learned from his death and the fact I couldn't reconcile risking endgame over a read like that when it felt so close to null, I went with it. Won't be making that mistake again.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

August 04 2013 16:05 GMT

#4009

Trying to catch up on breaks at work since the thread popped a little. Oats is town because he doesn't give a shit. It's simple.