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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 17:22 GMT
#652
Sentinel is banned and I know Aqua is a good guy but it's his first time hosting. I have no idea what normally happens in these situations, but if you (Aqua) have not already perhaps you should check with Cora whether he actually wants to quit or not, as there is a replacement on the list.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 17:33 GMT
#657
On July 29 2013 02:31 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Don't assume I'm quitting. I'm not in a good state to play right now. I will be back after the deadline with a FULL explanation of why I'm acting this way. I'm sorry to everyone but I can't handle playing right now.


Seriously, don't feel the need to explain IRL reasons to us. Just come back and say IRL stuff done and then play the game again.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 17:37 GMT
#661
Koshi, my playstyle is similar to last game where I was scum and also to the game before where I was town. My playstyle is slowly evolving, as it should. Your playstyle is very different to the last game where you were town. Do you not see how this makes you look more scum than me?

You need to start actually scum-hunting because so far there is no evidence of it. What do you think of my case on Paper?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 17:49 GMT
#667
On July 29 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 02:37 hzflank wrote:
Koshi, my playstyle is similar to last game where I was scum and also to the game before where I was town. My playstyle is slowly evolving, as it should. Your playstyle is very different to the last game where you were town. Do you not see how this makes you look more scum than me?

You need to start actually scum-hunting because so far there is no evidence of it. What do you think of my case on Paper?

I said I dislike it. Paper looks cool.


That is not what I asked. What do you think of the reasons as to why I think Paper is scum?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 18:24 GMT
#694
On July 29 2013 02:54 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 02:49 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote:
On July 29 2013 02:37 hzflank wrote:
Koshi, my playstyle is similar to last game where I was scum and also to the game before where I was town. My playstyle is slowly evolving, as it should. Your playstyle is very different to the last game where you were town. Do you not see how this makes you look more scum than me?

You need to start actually scum-hunting because so far there is no evidence of it. What do you think of my case on Paper?

I said I dislike it. Paper looks cool.


That is not what I asked. What do you think of the reasons as to why I think Paper is scum?

I think there is a chance that you are tunneling paper to prove you are scumhunting and to hide your reads on other people. Because it is hard to fake reads on multiple people as scum.

Hence my vote and shizzle.


And what makes it more likely that I am doing that than actually just pushing my scum read?

Is this your first game as scum, Koshi? Personally, I did not find it hard to fake reads on multiple people as scum, but judging by what you have posted so far in this game it seems that you do.

Still, that is the best reason for me being scum that you have posted so far. Why did it take you so long to post that reason? It's not exactly an original reason either as it is basically what Vivax said earlier.

If you are town then I still do not understand your game plan. Are you so confident that you knew that I would question you so that you could push your read on me that way? I did not see you asking a lot of questions to me. If you are town then you should be pushing me at this point. You truly are apathetic towards the lynch, though.

Give me one good reason as to why you are not scum?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 18:36 GMT
#701
On July 29 2013 03:33 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 03:28 exarezee wrote:
You two have drawn too much attention to yourselves early in Day 1. It is pretty bold when there is no N0. It requires very careful coordination to both soft attack/accuse the same person who if he turns up town will put some pressure back on you eventually.

It's just not likely for scum to do this kind of thing. Let's suppose a scum starts the initial vote on someone. It's very rare that another scum will immediately jump onto that ship.

Fair enough. I still think you're scum. This reminds me of my newbie game with hzflank where I tunneled scum and no one believed me. We ended up lynching all the other scum first because everyone thought my scumread was too abrasive to be scum. History repeats itself.


Actually after you died we did it the manly way and lynched your initial scum-read first, because he seemed the stronger of the two remaining scum :p
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 18:48 GMT
#704
On July 29 2013 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Quick question, how does FT know CJS' identity?


He accidentally posted on his Cora account.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 18:48 GMT
#705
Also, Rayn...bring some sanity when you finally join us. Thanks
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 18:50 GMT
#706
I don't know what to do with Koshi at this point. I cannot push him because he is convinced that I am scum and is just avoiding my questions. Unless someone else can get something good out of Koshi then I am going to have to assume that he is scum.

Can someone else try, please?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 18:52 GMT
#707
Paper, can you tell us what you think of this, please.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&currentpage=30#587
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 19:13 GMT
#713
On July 29 2013 04:06 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 03:50 hzflank wrote:
I don't know what to do with Koshi at this point. I cannot push him because he is convinced that I am scum and is just avoiding my questions. Unless someone else can get something good out of Koshi then I am going to have to assume that he is scum.

Can someone else try, please?


Nothing you can do with Koshi. Wait till Day 2. While I don't particularly like that he has no reads, it is Day 1 after all. I don't think that's he's convinced you are town. Diagree with his logic to vote a lurker, but he voted you because you are to him the scummiest of the active players.


Depending on exactly who the scum team is, there is a good chance that a town-Koshi will not live to see day 2. This bothers me because if Koshi is town he should see that and he should really step up his game at this point. A cannot get my head around what a town-Koshi is doing at this point.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 20:58 GMT
#786
I am tired, I have a headache and it is still several hours until the deadline. I would say that I already graduated from stepping on toes to kicking ankles to knees and as I am now grumpy some people should cover their balls...

Tofu, you are either scum or you have been useless as town because you have just tunnelled Exar the whole game. That is great is he flips scum but he is not getting lynched anyway so you are wasting your time.

On July 29 2013 05:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If you hadn't made me filter dive


Here's a tip: filter dive everyone. If you are town then you should absolutely of already done that. Most people have tiny filters anyway. This is especially true since I did make sure that attention should have been directed at Paper earlier.

On July 29 2013 05:39 FirmTofu wrote:
This is a decent post. He starts pushing a read and it looks like he is adapting based on new information (his read on hzflank has changed).


Wrong, it is not a decent post. His read on me changed from town to scum to unsure, yet in this post that you call good he says:

On July 29 2013 03:18 Paperscraps wrote:
If I was scum, I would just be all amicable, maybe start some BS case against some one who made some questionable posts and call it a day.


I think it is fair to say that I have not been particularly amicable this game and therefore it is surprising that Paper does not have a very strong town read on me.

Also, Paper pushing a read at that point does not redeem him as I had already posted:

On July 29 2013 00:20 hzflank wrote:
He gives us a single sentence as to why he wants to lynch Vivax. A single sentence in a game with 400+ posts to use for information. Then he adds a second scum read. He never actually pushes either of these reads at all. Not once does he even direct a post at Vivax or JAT.


And ofcourse Paper conveniently decided not to respond to my post, which is almost as bad as when he previously decided not to answer my questions.

@Paper & Koshi

If I think that you are scum then not answering my questions is not a good way to get me off of your backs. As I currently have a headache I am an easy target so how about you actually provide the requested information that would be useful to town. You know why I think you are scum: talk about it.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 21:07 GMT
#789
Can I answer that Rayn? I want to kick you in the balls too.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 21:33 GMT
#817
Why is Koshi not a lynch candidate?

As far as I can tell, the only good town reason for Koshi's play this game is because he is convinced that I am scum. If he is not genuinely convinced that I am scum then he is likely scum. It's going to be hard for me to be objective, but I think he should at least post a case so that others can read it.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 21:54 GMT
#835
Now why did you not post that earlier Koshi? I will not say that I am 100% convinced but it is better than I was expecting. The bit about thread control makes me think that Koshi really does believe that I am scum. I can pick apart his case but unless there are objections I might just do that during the night phase.

If anyone does want me to fully defend myself now then let me know.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 21:58 GMT
#840
On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo?


Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences.

Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 22:03 GMT
#846
On July 29 2013 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo?


Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences.

Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made?

Unless there are more votes going to pile up for you I guess I don't see why you should. I still don't see why you think Paper is so scummy for the pas 40 hours though.


I did not think that Paper was scummy 40 hours ago. I disliked that he said that everything he had posted up until a point should be ignored so I voted for him. I made multiple posts which included something hinting that my vote was flexible. I fully intended to move my vote once Paper posted again, but then his posts made me think that he actually was scum.

You think I have tunneled Paper all game? What on earth do you think my conversation with you was about? You think that I was scum setting you up for a mislynch, right? I say that I was town trying to open you up to get a read on you. I was attacking you, and therefore not tunneling Paper.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 22:05 GMT
#851
Also Koshi, imagine that I am town for a second and give me one good reason why town-hz should of unvoted Paper at any point during this game.

Paper certainly did not give me a reason to move my vote. Some other people came close, but without Paper also helping them it was not enough.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 22:07 GMT
#854
On July 29 2013 07:04 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 07:03 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 07:00 Koshi wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo?


Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences.

Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made?

Unless there are more votes going to pile up for you I guess I don't see why you should. I still don't see why you think Paper is so scummy for the pas 40 hours though.


I did not think that Paper was scummy 40 hours ago. I disliked that he said that everything he had posted up until a point should be ignored so I voted for him. I made multiple posts which included something hinting that my vote was flexible. I fully intended to move my vote once Paper posted again, but then his posts made me think that he actually was scum.

You think I have tunneled Paper all game? What on earth do you think my conversation with you was about? You think that I was scum setting you up for a mislynch, right? I say that I was town trying to open you up to get a read on you. I was attacking you, and therefore not tunneling Paper.

Which ones? After that he made his list right?


It started with the list. You seen so sure of how I play this game so you should have noticed that when I think that someone is scum I start to ask them questions directly. When I was questioning Paper I was trying to get a better read on him. If he had given me good answers I may not have thought that he was scum. Why do you think I get annoyed when people ignore my direct questions? Why do you think that I go out of my way to answer questions directed at me? This is Mafia 101 here.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 28 2013 22:11 GMT
#859
On July 29 2013 07:09 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 07:07 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 07:04 Koshi wrote:
On July 29 2013 07:03 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 07:00 Koshi wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:
On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo?


Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences.

Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made?

Unless there are more votes going to pile up for you I guess I don't see why you should. I still don't see why you think Paper is so scummy for the pas 40 hours though.


I did not think that Paper was scummy 40 hours ago. I disliked that he said that everything he had posted up until a point should be ignored so I voted for him. I made multiple posts which included something hinting that my vote was flexible. I fully intended to move my vote once Paper posted again, but then his posts made me think that he actually was scum.

You think I have tunneled Paper all game? What on earth do you think my conversation with you was about? You think that I was scum setting you up for a mislynch, right? I say that I was town trying to open you up to get a read on you. I was attacking you, and therefore not tunneling Paper.

Which ones? After that he made his list right?


It started with the list. You seen so sure of how I play this game so you should have noticed that when I think that someone is scum I start to ask them questions directly. When I was questioning Paper I was trying to get a better read on him. If he had given me good answers I may not have thought that he was scum. Why do you think I get annoyed when people ignore my direct questions? Why do you think that I go out of my way to answer questions directed at me? This is Mafia 101 here.

Malongo quoted a post in which paper responded to you.


Paper's response to me was that he did not want to answer my questions. That is about as good as your Unicorn response.
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