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On July 29 2013 00:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 00:03 exarezee wrote:On July 28 2013 23:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
@exarezee
Why are you still on this silly idea that having two wagons is a good idea? It is not. It allows scum to control the lynch by swinging their votes on one person or the other.
Here's some advice for you: find your biggest scumread, and vote for them. Savvy? Because I KNOW I'm town. How does this allow the scum to control the lynch? Why is my idea silly? Don't give a blanket statement that "it allows the scum to blah blah." So, if I said paper is scummy, and tofu is scummy, then it's ok? Ideally we want a consensus on votes. Ideally we would like votes spread around 2 people ONLY. We would have way more information than say there were 1 votes on everybody and 2 votes on another that got that person lynched. Because you are trying to pidgeon-hole town into doing what you want. That's not very townie to do, is it? Not everyone is going to agree with BOTH of your lynch candidates. You need to pick one and let the rest of town either agree with you or bring up another wagon. It will happen naturally. "If you try to chase two rabbits, you will lose them both" -Native American Proverb
Why would I NOT pidgeon-hole this town into doing what I want. I'm 100% confident that I'm town unless I have completely misread my PM. I have no side agendas. I don't know for a certainty whether any of you have side agendas. This so stupid. LIke I can prove this mathematically for you if you like.
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On July 29 2013 00:13 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 00:11 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:03 exarezee wrote:On July 28 2013 23:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
@exarezee
Why are you still on this silly idea that having two wagons is a good idea? It is not. It allows scum to control the lynch by swinging their votes on one person or the other.
Here's some advice for you: find your biggest scumread, and vote for them. Savvy? Because I KNOW I'm town. How does this allow the scum to control the lynch? Why is my idea silly? Don't give a blanket statement that "it allows the scum to blah blah." So, if I said paper is scummy, and tofu is scummy, then it's ok? Ideally we want a consensus on votes. Ideally we would like votes spread around 2 people ONLY. We would have way more information than say there were 1 votes on everybody and 2 votes on another that got that person lynched. Because you are trying to pidgeon-hole town into doing what you want. That's not very townie to do, is it? Not everyone is going to agree with BOTH of your lynch candidates. You need to pick one and let the rest of town either agree with you or bring up another wagon. It will happen naturally. "If you try to chase two rabbits, you will lose them both" -Native American Proverb Why would I NOT pidgeon-hole this town into doing what I want. I'm 100% confident that I'm town unless I have completely misread my PM. I have no side agendas. I don't know for a certainty whether any of you have side agendas. This so stupid. LIke I can prove this mathematically for you if you like. You are trying to convince us to kill either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. How are you not trying to pidgeon-hole us? Please tell me how mathematically, we can lynch both of them today. I'd love to see it.
How am I pigeonholing when I am trying to convince you to lynch 1 of 2 people whereas most people are trying to convince me to lynch 1 of 1. I'm doing the opposite of pigeonholing.
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On July 29 2013 00:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey hey exarezee, why dont you think the actions surrounding your case and his response does not make him town?
think you left out a key player name or something here.
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On July 29 2013 00:20 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 00:18 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:13 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:11 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:03 exarezee wrote:On July 28 2013 23:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
@exarezee
Why are you still on this silly idea that having two wagons is a good idea? It is not. It allows scum to control the lynch by swinging their votes on one person or the other.
Here's some advice for you: find your biggest scumread, and vote for them. Savvy? Because I KNOW I'm town. How does this allow the scum to control the lynch? Why is my idea silly? Don't give a blanket statement that "it allows the scum to blah blah." So, if I said paper is scummy, and tofu is scummy, then it's ok? Ideally we want a consensus on votes. Ideally we would like votes spread around 2 people ONLY. We would have way more information than say there were 1 votes on everybody and 2 votes on another that got that person lynched. Because you are trying to pidgeon-hole town into doing what you want. That's not very townie to do, is it? Not everyone is going to agree with BOTH of your lynch candidates. You need to pick one and let the rest of town either agree with you or bring up another wagon. It will happen naturally. "If you try to chase two rabbits, you will lose them both" -Native American Proverb Why would I NOT pidgeon-hole this town into doing what I want. I'm 100% confident that I'm town unless I have completely misread my PM. I have no side agendas. I don't know for a certainty whether any of you have side agendas. This so stupid. LIke I can prove this mathematically for you if you like. You are trying to convince us to kill either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. How are you not trying to pidgeon-hole us? Please tell me how mathematically, we can lynch both of them today. I'd love to see it. How am I pigeonholing when I am trying to convince you to lynch 1 of 2 people whereas most people are trying to convince me to lynch 1 of 1. I'm doing the opposite of pigeonholing. No, you want us to vote for either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. No one else. That's what you are saying when you say that you want 2 specific wagons. You want us to lynch only 2 of 12 possible players today. How scummy is that?
Ok, you gotta be trolling me. Let's assume you are town. Who are your personal top 2 scum candidates. Do you want to see them as Wagon #1 and Wagon #2? If not, please tell me why.
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On July 29 2013 00:28 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 00:23 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:20 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:18 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:13 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:11 exarezee wrote:On July 29 2013 00:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 29 2013 00:03 exarezee wrote:On July 28 2013 23:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
@exarezee
Why are you still on this silly idea that having two wagons is a good idea? It is not. It allows scum to control the lynch by swinging their votes on one person or the other.
Here's some advice for you: find your biggest scumread, and vote for them. Savvy? Because I KNOW I'm town. How does this allow the scum to control the lynch? Why is my idea silly? Don't give a blanket statement that "it allows the scum to blah blah." So, if I said paper is scummy, and tofu is scummy, then it's ok? Ideally we want a consensus on votes. Ideally we would like votes spread around 2 people ONLY. We would have way more information than say there were 1 votes on everybody and 2 votes on another that got that person lynched. Because you are trying to pidgeon-hole town into doing what you want. That's not very townie to do, is it? Not everyone is going to agree with BOTH of your lynch candidates. You need to pick one and let the rest of town either agree with you or bring up another wagon. It will happen naturally. "If you try to chase two rabbits, you will lose them both" -Native American Proverb Why would I NOT pidgeon-hole this town into doing what I want. I'm 100% confident that I'm town unless I have completely misread my PM. I have no side agendas. I don't know for a certainty whether any of you have side agendas. This so stupid. LIke I can prove this mathematically for you if you like. You are trying to convince us to kill either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. How are you not trying to pidgeon-hole us? Please tell me how mathematically, we can lynch both of them today. I'd love to see it. How am I pigeonholing when I am trying to convince you to lynch 1 of 2 people whereas most people are trying to convince me to lynch 1 of 1. I'm doing the opposite of pigeonholing. No, you want us to vote for either FirmTofu or Paperscraps. No one else. That's what you are saying when you say that you want 2 specific wagons. You want us to lynch only 2 of 12 possible players today. How scummy is that? Ok, you gotta be trolling me. Let's assume you are town. Who are your personal top 2 scum candidates. Do you want to see them as Wagon #1 and Wagon #2? If not, please tell me why. No, I choose my top scum read and only focus on getting them lynched. I would rather have one of my top scum reads and someone else's top scum read be #1 and #2 because it provokes discussion and it provokes good case making. If you get your top 2 scumreads on the block, you will just sit back and do nothing because you wouldn't care about who gets lynched after that. It's all in the effort of having good discussion. It's ok to be wrong sometimes too. Being wrong doesn't make you scummy all of the time. If someone has a better argument for a lynch candidate, it's not scummy to agree with someone either. It's only scummy when you tell town "we're lynching either FirmTofu or Paperscraps today". By the way, my top 2 reads are Oatsmaster and VayneAuthority. Still. Koshi is getting up there though.
Why would you not want a scum/scum wagon? (Even though I don't think paper/tofu is scum/scum but possible). YOU, knowing you are a town would rather chance someone else's scum read getting lynched than your own? You don't know if he has any agenda or not! Of course if you only have one scumread then you just push your single read. This is different after Day 1 when some people flips and you know if you can give more credence to someone's picks. This is just not logical that you would not want two people you think scum not to be the wagons.
Of course once my goal of the two wagons is done, I can sit back. How does this make me scummy? I've already identified the best two lynch candidates in Day 1. In an extreme example, suppose I know for certain that both paper and tofu are scum. Should I not want both of them on the wagon?
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Exactly you made my point. Being wrong does not make me scum. They're my 2 best lynch candidates and I will try my best to get one of them lynched. If at the end of the day, neither are a lynch candidate, then I will move my vote onto someone that matters. Being stubborn is saying I'm voting papers! not gonna move!
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On July 29 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
I meant FT exarezee
When paper flips town man. You guys gonna be sad.
I don't really like/understand his logic. I do think papers still is a higher chance of scum than tofu though. I've answered every single one of his points. In the case he made against me, I believe he quoted 5 or 6 posts I made and dissected them. 3 of them were completely inaccurate. And I addressed the other points he made. He gets some town points for "when he found my scum slip" but 2 other people have found my scum slips too and i gave town points to them as well. Eventually I have to stop giving points for that kinda thing and just completely ignore it.
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And Captain Jack -
Please don't make it look like I'm delusional and the only one voting paper. He's getting the most heat, and deservedly so too. So, he's the best lynch to some others (unlike you)
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On July 29 2013 00:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
##Vote: Oatsmaster
I give up. I don't want to play this game anymore.
good attitude bro.
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meh, don't really see why smurfs are allowed in games. gives the smurf too much of an advantage.
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On July 29 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 01:03 exarezee wrote:
meh, don't really see why smurfs are allowed in games. gives the smurf too much of an advantage. live with it. Links to past games?
is it against forum rules to link to another forum?
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I don't really have a lot more to add to the game currently. A lot of talk is about meta between you guys, and I don't want to read 2k posts from previous games.
Just in case papers flips scum and I die tonight, I want to just put out a couple more of my thoughts.
If paper flips scum, i think tofu is a very low chance to be scum.
Clarity and hzflank have been posting with fluidity and logic. Giving them town leans, Their posts resemble a thinking towns person.
Not posting information you have is untolerable (@Vayne). You could be killed at night or anytime in the day by a possible vig. Yeah, you can hold out info for a little while for a purpose...but it's getting closer and closer to end of day. If you have something worthwhile to add, say it. And if you don't have anything worthwhile, don't say you have reads and are not giving them out.
Also, let's try to not put too much credence into clearing people based on how they react to something or some emotion they show that is "difficult" to fake. Let's find inconsistencies in their arguments that derive not from mistakes but from an agenda.
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On July 29 2013 02:51 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
And stop giving me town cred for rage quitting. Give me town cred for this shit that I've done, not the ragequit.
QFT. Couldn't fucking agree more.
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On July 29 2013 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
Although I disagree with most of what he's said since he came back, he seems to be trying to figure the game out.
Also OMG FOUND A SCUMSLIP classic town, hard to fake. At the very least don't lynch him today.
I'm gonna be gone for a couple of hours but will be back with plenty of time to spare.
I suggest people look into Oats, Stutters and Malongo.
Right now I think I'm willing to lynch Malongo (waiting on him to show up first) or Stutters.
I don't really see what it's THAT HARD to fake. Sure, I can give a little town lean on it, but you seem to be all but clearing him for it including unvoting him.
He's looking for information to point to the fact that I'm scum. He has already labeled me scum and is looking for points to prove it. He will be doing this as both roles, because he had previously said I will make a case for exarzee going through all his posts. If for example he were like, exarzee is villager......going to go through his posts and then .... bam found a scumslip..i'd give it more credibility.
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On July 29 2013 03:11 Vivax wrote:
I use to fake mistakes about setup (KP and similar) to get cred.
In the context of Tofu pushing XRZ it might actually have some value in giving him a townread, it simply fits with the timing where he votes and pushes him, so I think it could actually be a good town indicator.
If it were some random zomg scumslip with no context I'd treat it as null, but in this case it's a fine towntell.
He already has me labeled SCUM. He's looking for evidence to prove this either way (it's role independent for him). I don't understand why you can give him more town cred.
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Let's assume you are scum and have labeled someone else scum and do a filter of their posts. You find a post by theirs that you think is really bad and will lend support to your cause. Would you not be excited?
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On July 29 2013 03:18 Paperscraps wrote:
##Vote: justanothertownie
JAT is scum. He just sheeped onto the wagon that was on me with out much thought and gave himself an out when I flip town that I am "probably" scum.
Vivax actually posted some content and I don't think would be the best lynch today.
Stutters I would definitely keep my eye on.
hzflank is weird read for me now, I really don't know if he is pushing as town or scum. It was obvious that he wanted to push on Oats and he even admitted to it, which I liked.
I have been very transparent in my posting up to this point. Yes, I had a lot of town reads when I caught up, You act like it is hard to act "town" day 1. I couldn't care less what people perceive me as. If I was scum, I would just be all amicable, maybe start some BS case against some one who made some questionable posts and call it a day. I thought the people playing this game would be able to read past the simple charades of others, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Good vig shots tonight would be rayn and/or stutters. I think their flips would be more beneficial than the content or rather lack of content they post.
You seem to keep on insisting that people need an out if you flip town. WTF do we need outs. We are playing a game of partial information. If I had no posts from anyone, I give u a 4/13 chance to be scum. Given your posts..I've inreased your chance of scum to somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3. In no way am I 100% certain you are scum. I and others are also not concerned with our survivability in Day 2 as you keep saying we want to have an out. I'm trying to promote a town win.
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On July 29 2013 03:20 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 03:17 exarezee wrote:
Let's assume you are town and have labeled someone else scum and do a filter of their posts. You find a post by theirs that you think is really bad and will lend support to your cause. Would you not be excited? Fixed. Your logic works both ways.
of course it works both ways. You just agreed with my point. We should not give you MORE town cred for what you did.
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On July 29 2013 03:22 FirmTofu wrote:
@exarezee
I want to know why you think Paperscraps and I being on the same scum team is so unlikely. You still haven't justified that logic. Why is it that you would drop your case on me if Paper flips scum?
why don't you filter through my posts? i've explained that at least 2-3 times.
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