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Look at how he INSISTS that both are probably not scum. If he was town, he'd be pushing his scumreads like there's no tomorrow (See: Clarity). He wouldn't be trying to create an out for when Paperscraps or I flip town and he has nothing to fall back on. I don't think two scum can make the play that you and paper made day 1. It's an assumption. I don't insist on this. I just think it's pretty unlikely you are both scum. I've pushed my scumread on paperscraps. Why do I need to fall back on anything? Should we lynch you tomorrow if you lynch me and I turn town? This is a partial information game, we're never going to be always right. Another post saying that he isn't even all that convinced that paperscraps is scum. If he's not sure if Paperscraps is scum, why is he voting him? For information? On Day 1? That's absurd. This logic also is very scum-esque because of how it sets up scum in future days. Assuming Paperscraps and I are both town and Paperscraps is lynched, exarezee can quote this post and go, "Well, I said I was sure one of them was scum, I wasn't sure which one. FirmTofu must be scum guys." I THINK YOU OR PAPERSCRAPS IS A SCUM. This is why I am voting paperscraps. This is why I would like you to be the other wagon. What logic is scumesque? We have to assume you and paper are both town and I am scum for this to be scummy. This information is not readily available I'm afraid. So I don't see where my faulty logic is. Another post insuring himself against my town flip. He knows I will flip town, so he is planning ahead for when I flip by saying, "I'm sorry if I'm wrong". What the hell is this shit? I'm not trying to insure myself of anything. again, this logic is based on knowing I am scum and you are both towns. Then what you say has merit. Look at my case and pretend that I am a townsperson. Is my logic wrong somewhere or incoherent? | ||
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On July 28 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote: I'd say the best nuggets Vayne provided so far were gifs, pics, trolly stuff and a post about his scum meta. That said, I endorse his lynch for today, and stutters' lynch as second option actually cause I can't tell if he's really busy or scum, but I know Vayne wasn't busy and still posted trash. I suggest you all realize that D1 has serious potential to end up in a crapshoot, and that RNGing a lynch makes it more likely to hit scum than finding scum according to mafia database statistics. I'm an adamant supporter of using D1's as vig shots in lack of a better lynch, and I'll admit it: In this spammy, short post and trolly town, I'm kinda still lacking of reliable clues on who could be likely scum, hence I propose we get rid of Vayne for posting shit. Jack Sparrow at least is improving when asked to. Stutters has 3 posts. Why does he have to be busy or scum. There's also not a direct correspondence between trash posts and scum. If that were the case this game has about 7-8 scum in it. | ||
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You see why people find you scummy. Because we missed your sarcasm. I pointed out those reasons. Yet you say that my push on you has no substance. Put yourself in my shoes. I do not know your alignment. If I am a town, does it make sense that I found your posts strange? Can you elaborate on when I am being "so defensively"? I enjoy making arguments about logic and why someone would or would not do something as town or scum. I do not enjoy being attacked by people who make attacks that are based on false information. | ||
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I don't think any interaction between yourself and tofu make one of scum. It's both of your interactions with me at roughly the same time early in Day 1 that leads to my conclusion that one of you are scum. | ||
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On July 28 2013 11:17 Paperscraps wrote: @exar About you being defensive. Tofu and I voted you, then you FoSed both of us. I mean that seems somewhat defensive to me. Just because you post things that are "pro-town" and maybe what you think people want to see, doesn't exclude you from being FoSed. I am wary of people who try to act overly town early on. Again I don't know if it is an act or genuine, hence a reason to vote you and elicit some type of reaction. I didn't FoS both of you after you guys voted me. I made a case at you because I had a scum read on you BEFORE you even voted me! Don't act like I did this out of spite. I didn't make a case on Tofu hardly at all. I pointed out one of his posts that I don't like. You're wary of people who try to act pro-town? WTF. Sorry, I guess I'll joke around and roleplay and make jokes whole game. That will make the game easier to solve. | ||
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On July 28 2013 11:12 Paperscraps wrote: @exarezee If I was in your shoes and looking at my early posts, I would have realized that they were way too over the top to be serious. I voted you and said lets "murder" this guy, haha. Obviously I am trying to get reactions, since you are being so serious right off the bat. I still don't understand how Tofu and I voting around the same time makes at least one of us confirmed scum. That is a stretch. More realistically, it was too people voting a rather serious player who was posting in a very "pro-town" and "controlled" manner to get him to show some real reads and responses. It is easy to act pro-town and push on people with very little to go off of early off in the game. You haven't wavered much in your general tone and seem to be stubborn which is good. If you took at step back and got some objectivity, I think it would go along way to help you out. You have been focused on Tofu and I and haven't really paused to look at others, which is always a good thing to do. If you still think I am the best lynch after reading other people's filters, then by all means keep voting me. I don't think that is likely at all though. I haven't focused on Tofu at all basically. Most of my posts are responding to his attacks on me. What do you want me to look at objectively? Pretty sure I'm more objective that almost everyone. Please show me once in my posts where I have made a factual mistake. And I can point out at least 4 cases where people make factual mistakes in regards to me. | ||
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SMH. | ||
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On July 27 2013 11:41 Paperscraps wrote: Lets all BW and murder this guy! ##Vote: exarezee On July 27 2013 15:04 Paperscraps wrote: Agreed. The day has barely begun. If anyone has a serious FoS, they need to check themselves. Half the town hasn't even posted yet. I was hoping people would want to be a bit more "charismatic" today  , but it looks like playing the standard super serious pro-town meta game will be more beneficial to the passengers on this ship. It is just ever so boring, but I can deal with it.TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. ##Unvote My first real read of this game is that I like where Tofu's head is at so far. I kind of feel bad, that exar wasted his time dissecting my shenanigans, haha, but not too bad  .On July 28 2013 11:17 Paperscraps wrote: @exar About you being defensive. Tofu and I voted you, then you FoSed both of us. I mean that seems somewhat defensive to me. Just because you post things that are "pro-town" and maybe what you think people want to see, doesn't exclude you from being FoSed. I am wary of people who try to act overly town early on. Again I don't know if it is an act or genuine, hence a reason to vote you and elicit some type of reaction. I don't get it. So your vote on me was semi-serious in a joking way. Because you seem to say you wanted to get a reaction. But you also say you were joking in all your posts. Bolding this line for reference: TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. | ||
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On July 28 2013 13:39 Paperscraps wrote: @exar Your need to defend/attack everything that is said about you is not helping. FMPOV I see a stubborn townie who thinks he found scum in the first day and doesn't want to look bad by backing down. Behind every post, even ones that aren't super-serious people can still have an agenda. Whether you believe it or not I don't really care. I have developed a decent read on you now and wish to move along to more important matters. Please tell me what you have done in the thread that merits me to move my vote off you. Since you have come back to the thread, you basically made one giant post where you had null or town reads on just about everyone. | ||
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Let's break down your posts into 1A which ends in you unvoting and 1B which starts when you say you are going to work. At the end of 1A, You state this. "TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all." Could you elaborate on this. Should we ignore your posts completely? Should we interpret them differently? Several people have interpreted your posts as being poor. Please address this. | ||
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Please point out flaws in my logical reasoning. Where do I make a bad logical mistake to imply I am not a townsperson trying to solve the case. | ||
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On July 28 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm not saying your case is bad or anything, but rather discussing the length as to which you keep drilling into it. There's quite a few other people in this game. Tunneling is an easy way to get by as scum without revealing too much about yourself. I do it all the time. I think almost all of my posts today were responses to other people either asking me a question or me correcting wrong information said about me. I haven't been pushing my case much at all. I still don't see what I am tunneling. What blinders do I have on that is affecting my play? | ||
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I see that you want to stop discussions when you don't answer anything that I ask. Tunneling implies that I am so focused on something that I don't see the bigger picture. Please tell me the bigger picture that I'm missing. Don't give me some random saying like putting all your eggs in one basket. I know I'm town. It is certainly possible that paper is town. If papers is town, how am i setting myself up for a failure of a game? Who do you think is a better scum candidate than papers atm? | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:48 FirmTofu wrote: exarezee is a great lynch for today and I don't think we'll get a better one. Even if you aren't convinced by my case, you can always read his responses and see if they look town to you. If I thought his responses were adequate, I would have backed off immediately. The problem is that his defense is pretty meager. First of all, he didn't answer half of my case. He picked and chose the points he felt he could defend strongly. Secondly, almost his entire defensive is in a dismissive tone where he just goes to each point and says, "That isn't true because I'm town." If he was town he'd be addressing my points directly. Also, I find it odd that he isn't voting me after I posted such a lengthy case against him. Remember, he found me scummy before the case, so why doesn't he find me more scummy after it? After all, from his point of view, I'm tunneling a townie. If I were town in his position, I think I would fight back with accusations, not just defensive posts. | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:37 FirmTofu wrote: Malongo is playing oddly different from his town games. Usually he lurks and is completely useless. I'm not sure what changed this time around. Anyone have any questions for me to answer? I'm gonna try and dive some filters now. Malongo is still lurking and pretty much useless. On July 28 2013 15:48 FirmTofu wrote: exarezee is a great lynch for today and I don't think we'll get a better one. Even if you aren't convinced by my case, you can always read his responses and see if they look town to you. If I thought his responses were adequate, I would have backed off immediately. The problem is that his defense is pretty meager. First of all, he didn't answer half of my case. He picked and chose the points he felt he could defend strongly. Secondly, almost his entire defensive is in a dismissive tone where he just goes to each point and says, "That isn't true because I'm town." If he was town he'd be addressing my points directly. Also, I find it odd that he isn't voting me after I posted such a lengthy case against him. Remember, he found me scummy before the case, so why doesn't he find me more scummy after it? After all, from his point of view, I'm tunneling a townie. If I were town in his position, I think I would fight back with accusations, not just defensive posts. I have answered all your questions. Even though paper thinks I shouldn't answer all your questions. I have to vote you because you vote me? What kind of logic is that? I think your role is associated with paper's role and vice versa which is why I don't mind you as a wagon. It's just absolutely ludicrous that you think I should find you scummy for voting me. I just woke up. Will re-read and see if I think anybody is better than paper/tofu to wagon right now. | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: @exarezee Why are you still on this silly idea that having two wagons is a good idea? It is not. It allows scum to control the lynch by swinging their votes on one person or the other. Here's some advice for you: find your biggest scumread, and vote for them. Savvy? Because I KNOW I'm town. How does this allow the scum to control the lynch? Why is my idea silly? Don't give a blanket statement that "it allows the scum to blah blah." So, if I said paper is scummy, and tofu is scummy, then it's ok? Ideally we want a consensus on votes. Ideally we would like votes spread around 2 people ONLY. We would have way more information than say there were 1 votes on everybody and 2 votes on another that got that person lynched. | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:57 Clarity_nl wrote: kinda, lets wait to see what rayn and stutters have to say before discussing it Are you for real? I've really liked all of your posts so far with the exception that you don't really explain when you move papers from town to scum lean. But this post is making me SMH. | ||
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