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rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them?
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On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT?
Not stolen from me, not that that matters. Are you saying you agree or disagree that your listpost has a lot of thread sentiment in it?
If you had read the thread you'd know the answer to that question, no I don't want to lynch him.
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On July 29 2013 04:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? Not stolen from me, not that that matters. Are you saying you agree or disagree that your listpost has a lot of thread sentiment in it? If you had read the thread you'd know the answer to that question, no I don't want to lynch him. I don't care if my reads follow the thread sentiment. They seem to do so, yes. What does that say to you? That i am scum because i think like other people in this game do? Does that sound ligical to you, because to me it sounds ridiculous. Why do you think we should lynch Stutters ot Malongo?`If you can point out something that makes one of them scum i'm willing to look closer into it.
If you agreed with SOME popular opinions in the thread then yes, that's perfectly fine. If you agree with ALL popular opinions in the thread (and do not share a unique perspective with the town) then you're either scum just trying to fit in or an unhelpful townie.
I don't agree with your reasons for Malongo being town, since if he's scum what you say still applies, but what you're saying about Vivax seems genuine.
Am re-reading a bit now so gonna disappear.
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rayn, I've explained what makes FT town, then I explained it again because oats can't read, now I have to do it a third time? Go away.
Wait your townread on Malongo is suddenly very slim? You seemed pretty confident in your list post. Why even have him as green on there. I would think if you base it off one post you better be damn sure your read on him is strong.
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ninja'd
I'm saying I don't know but you're not helping town
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If FirmTofu was a good enough mafia player to fake a discovery of a scumslip, then I would not have jumped on him for being scum 12 hours into the game. Either you believe he played bad on purpose as scum to do this fake and hope it works, or you believe he played bad as town. How does this not make sense?
I'm not saying he's confirmed for the rest of the game but you won't find me voting for him anytime soon.
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Malongo
Let's take a journey, a journey through the posts of Malongo
On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote:Sparrow pfff another smurf. So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet
7. Malongo
9. Stutters695In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster
4. IMCaptainJackSparrow
10. hzflank
14. exarezeeEveryone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 21:46 hzflank wrote:
Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first. The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflankId be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ).
Let's just ignore the random list of activity, even though no one asked him.
Malongo starts his case by admitting that he has no strong reads, or more specifically, that this is his strongest read.
He makes this read based off a single post, despite there being a wealth of information on hz, including my one-on-one time with him. The posts he picks is very early in the game and rather than explaining why it is scummy he explains why it is wrong, and then votes for him.
Much later on day 1 he repeats how the reason he's on hz (he's still on hz btw, and hasn't contributed about anything that's been going on in the thread other than a couple of 1-liners)
On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him.
"Guys, we have no big leads, if he had big leads, I wouldn't be on hz!"
This is basically saying he doesn't believe in his own vote. Now he repeats his case, which is the exact same, and still about the same post in the early hours of day 1.
Take a look at the bolded line again. What is he saying? Well let's assume he's town first:
Malongo: Guys we should get more information, I'm not too certain about things right now.
Okay, that's fair, but then why is his vote still on hz and in posts after this he still claims hz is scum?
Malongo: Guys I don't believe in my case, but since you guys are so scattered I'm just gonna leave my vote parked riiiiiiiight here.
This makes sense to me, the scum perspective. As town it does not.
Low post count, low content, implying he's wrong yet pushing for it anyway.
He scum yo.
##Vote Malongo
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On July 29 2013 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
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This makes sense to me, the scum perspective. As town it does not.
Low post count, low content, implying he's wrong yet pushing for it anyway.
He scum yo.
If you had looked into any recent game Malongo has played you would see that this is characteristic to his town play. In other words, the stuff you are pointing out does not make him mafia. You clearly do not want to lynch FT. Go look at JAT/Paper please. Koshi, what do you think of this: Show nested quote +hzflank - I had a big big red read on hzflank before this: "I did start to prepare a case on Oats yesterday but I cancelled it shortly after starting. As I was writing it I became less sure that Oats was scum and I did not want to post a case that I did not believe in myself. That is fairly normal for me as I seem to be good at convincing myself that someone is not scum." That basically proves that hzflank is town, that is so incredibly genuine.
I'll go look, I tend not to look at meta. I looked at Paper before Malongo and I don't really see it.
I'll look at JAT one more time, as you know I disagreed heavily with Oats' case on him but maybe stuff changed.
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Rayne, you would compare Malongo in this game to Malongo in "I swear this is normal Mini Mafia 2" and say they're similar?
He is talking strongly about his read, he is engaging people in back and forth questions, and then he martyrs himself by the end of it! (btw his read ended up being right, and you believe hz is town..)
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There's been no one trying to lynch anyone other than FT Paper and JAT today, at least nothing else got traction.
I'll consolidate, obviously, and rayn has a point about Malongo as I read more of his other games, but this is bitter.
I'm not so sure about Vivax, I've had him as null all day and vayne's case is 90% meta, so let's give him another day.
I guess out of those three I would prefer Paper...? I mean his wagon started early and he has looked scummy (although more bad than scum), plus he probably has the most association attached to him which'll help day 2.
I felt like Koshi was getting scummier and scummier but the way he's just insistently and badly pushing for an hz lynch just makes no sense to me from a scum perspective.
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Vivax you're not getting lynched and we're not lynching vayne either so please focus on the day 1 lynch until it's night please
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He wants to push HIS wagon over other peoples wagons? The scummy bastard.
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##Vote Paperscraps
Mainly to consolidate and because I'm getting a bit sleepy, will be around still though.
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On July 29 2013 06:55 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:+ Show Spoiler +MalongoLet's take a journey, a journey through the posts of Malongo On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote:Sparrow pfff another smurf. So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet
7. Malongo
9. Stutters695In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster
4. IMCaptainJackSparrow
10. hzflank
14. exarezeeEveryone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 21:46 hzflank wrote:
Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first. The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflankId be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ). Let's just ignore the random list of activity, even though no one asked him. Malongo starts his case by admitting that he has no strong reads, or more specifically, that this is his strongest read. He makes this read based off a single post, despite there being a wealth of information on hz, including my one-on-one time with him. The posts he picks is very early in the game and rather than explaining why it is scummy he explains why it is wrong, and then votes for him. Much later on day 1 he repeats how the reason he's on hz (he's still on hz btw, and hasn't contributed about anything that's been going on in the thread other than a couple of 1-liners) On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him. "Guys, we have no big leads, if he had big leads, I wouldn't be on hz!" This is basically saying he doesn't believe in his own vote. Now he repeats his case, which is the exact same, and still about the same post in the early hours of day 1. Take a look at the bolded line again. What is he saying? Well let's assume he's town first: Malongo: Guys we should get more information, I'm not too certain about things right now. Okay, that's fair, but then why is his vote still on hz and in posts after this he still claims hz is scum? Malongo: Guys I don't believe in my case, but since you guys are so scattered I'm just gonna leave my vote parked riiiiiiiight here.This makes sense to me, the scum perspective. As town it does not. Low post count, low content, implying he's wrong yet pushing for it anyway.He scum yo. You are actually dodging the point when I called out the post of hz being inconsistent with the town benefit to lynch lurkers day1. When I said *no leads* I was clearly calling this post in mind Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 21:46 hzflank wrote:
Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first.
What? You're saying when you said there were no leads you were talking about that post by hz? I really don't understand what you're saying.
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On July 29 2013 06:59 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 06:57 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 29 2013 06:55 Malongo wrote:On July 29 2013 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote:+ Show Spoiler +MalongoLet's take a journey, a journey through the posts of Malongo On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote:Sparrow pfff another smurf. So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet
7. Malongo
9. Stutters695In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster
4. IMCaptainJackSparrow
10. hzflank
14. exarezeeEveryone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 21:46 hzflank wrote:
Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first. The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflankId be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ). Let's just ignore the random list of activity, even though no one asked him. Malongo starts his case by admitting that he has no strong reads, or more specifically, that this is his strongest read. He makes this read based off a single post, despite there being a wealth of information on hz, including my one-on-one time with him. The posts he picks is very early in the game and rather than explaining why it is scummy he explains why it is wrong, and then votes for him. Much later on day 1 he repeats how the reason he's on hz (he's still on hz btw, and hasn't contributed about anything that's been going on in the thread other than a couple of 1-liners) On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen
Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him. "Guys, we have no big leads, if he had big leads, I wouldn't be on hz!" This is basically saying he doesn't believe in his own vote. Now he repeats his case, which is the exact same, and still about the same post in the early hours of day 1. Take a look at the bolded line again. What is he saying? Well let's assume he's town first: Malongo: Guys we should get more information, I'm not too certain about things right now. Okay, that's fair, but then why is his vote still on hz and in posts after this he still claims hz is scum? Malongo: Guys I don't believe in my case, but since you guys are so scattered I'm just gonna leave my vote parked riiiiiiiight here.This makes sense to me, the scum perspective. As town it does not. Low post count, low content, implying he's wrong yet pushing for it anyway.He scum yo. You are actually dodging the point when I called out the post of hz being inconsistent with the town benefit to lynch lurkers day1. When I said *no leads* I was clearly calling this post in mind On July 27 2013 21:46 hzflank wrote:
Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first. What? You're saying when you said there were no leads you were talking about that post by hz? I really don't understand what you're saying. Ergo I am mafia so lets write my name in colors? LOL
What? Holy shit dude, Engelish, Do you Speaketh it?
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I think you're jumping the gun rayn, I think Koshi (might, possibly, not guaranteed) just have meant that he doesn't have to respond until after lynch, since we're not lynching hz
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On July 29 2013 07:08 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo? Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences. Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made? The thing is your case on Paper was conveniently tunneled and wagoned early and nipticked and I found you lying 2 times. A) When you said the guy was not answering you directly. hint: he didB) When you said *how pleople find Paper townie posting. hint: null =/= townieThat and the fact that now we are ending the day with 0 pressure on active lurkers as you wanted with your initial posts. ##Vote hzflank
No, fuck this, consolidate on paper or someone that we might reach a majority on, we need a lynch or we're gonna have a useless day 2.
You applied no pressure to lurkers yourself either, hypocrit.
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On July 29 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 07:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 29 2013 07:08 Malongo wrote:On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo? Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences. Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made? The thing is your case on Paper was conveniently tunneled and wagoned early and nipticked and I found you lying 2 times. A) When you said the guy was not answering you directly. hint: he didB) When you said *how pleople find Paper townie posting. hint: null =/= townieThat and the fact that now we are ending the day with 0 pressure on active lurkers as you wanted with your initial posts. ##Vote hzflank No, fuck this, consolidate on paper or someone that we might reach a majority on, we need a lynch or we're gonna have a useless day 2. You applied no pressure to lurkers yourself either, hypocrit. THAT'S NOT THE POINT MALONGO MAKES
No his point is that pressure on lurkers is important and hz made it so it didn't happen, which is bullshit. Just because hz put no pressure on lurkers doesnt mean he created an atmosphere in which it wasnt possible.
Why the fuck are you and Malongo suddenly jerking off in the corner.
FUCKING CONSOLIDATE
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On July 29 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Koshi: First he says "who are you to decide who do we lynch. -> Implies there are other lynch candidates than FT/JAT/Paper Then he questions hz, his scumread about Malongo, or rather asks why are we ignoring Malongo. When hz answers him about Malongo, he says "no you should not talk about him". This makes no sense from town PoV. scum. Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 07:00 Koshi wrote:On July 29 2013 06:58 hzflank wrote:On July 29 2013 06:55 Koshi wrote:
Why are we ignoring Malongo? Do you want me to fully answer him now? His problem with me stems from philosophical differences regarding lynching lurkers. After that he clutches at straws. He seems to genuinely think that I am scum, though. I never responded to him earlier because until this page he talked about me and not too me, and since I have spent a lot of time replying to people doing that this game there was no town benefit to messing up the thread discussing philosophical differences. Do you want me to fully answer every point that you and Malongo just made? Unless there are more votes going to pile up for you I guess I don't see why you should. I still don't see why you think Paper is so scummy for the pas 40 hours though. He does not want to see what hz (his top scumread) has to say about Malongo (his other scumread). If he thinks hz and Malongo are scum he should be interested what hz thinks about Malongo based on the quote above. Instead he is only talking about Paperscraps.
Lots of leaps in here.
He's asking why WE (you and me, the two active people who replied to the case in thread) ignored malongo.
Then hz asks if he should respond to the case NOW and he says no.
You're just misreading stuff I think, or I'm misunderstanding your case
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