On August 07 2013 10:03 exarezee wrote:
@hz i was close to certain malongo was scum. realky worried about no lynch. it was certainly a judgement call. not going to say i wont do it again, but will think about it more given the responses.

Well if you had not done it we would still of lynched someone, even if it was Malongo.

The problem with doing that is even if you hit scum you get yourself lynched the following day, unless the scum shoot you. You are basically betting on scum shooting you. Now, they should of shot you and I do not know why they did not, it just ended really badly.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 01:20 GMT

#4979

Your play was good, Clarity.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 01:37 GMT

#4988

On August 07 2013 10:25 Oatsmaster wrote:

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I only called you confirmed town

I was suspecting CJS and stutters was definitely scum.

You suspected CJS because you knew that we had a doctor. No one else knew that, so it just made you look scummy to me

God, I read scum QT around the end of D2. If we had consolidated on FT or Cora...

The 4 people most likely to be lynched D2 ended up being Malongo, FT, Cora and Stutters. And it all went to hell because we could not get a majority.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 01:41 GMT

#4992

On August 07 2013 10:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah majority voting is rough.
Another reason xrz claim screwed us :D
Although honestly, by the end of d3 we should have realized it went too smoothly. Everyone was lurking while rayn was spamming and since 6 hours into the day we basically had a majority on xrz.

Well if Koshi had gotten off of my back I might of been able to see clearer

Also, I honestly thought Cora was town. I thought that if we had a doctor they claimed a couple of hours before the end of D3 so that we do not lynch Exar.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 01:42 GMT

#4994

I mean Cora played D4 like scum. Really really really like scum. If I had known Godfather was possible I would of questioned him.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 01:45 GMT

#4998

hmm, I played 1 game as scum and everyone thought I was town. Then an SK killed me while aiming for town and the scum team crumbled since the other scum were all inactive :/

I enjoyed playing scum more than town.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 01:46 GMT

#4999

The big difference is when I played scum I did pushed a D1 wagon hard but then stopped short at the end so the guy did not get lynched. In this game as town I kept pushing so when he flipped green people thought I was more scum based on the flip.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 01:58 GMT

#5010

Yeah. I did look very closely at the arguments between Stutters and you to try to determine their authenticity, but I got it wrong.

I thought that you and Stutters were both individually scum at the end. But how could I vote for either of you when Koshi was being Koshi and Oats had a townslip on Tofu? Also, there was the greencheck on Cora :/

hzflank

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August 07 2013 01:59 GMT

#5011

I mean, how was I supposed to convince Oats that Tofu was scum? I felt that I almost needed to lynch Oats before Tofu, and Oats did look like scum to me.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 02:03 GMT

#5016

And this game was so frustrating for me, I could not tell who was not trying and who was scum.

Vivax did not do much D1 but started to get good N1, then got nightkilled.
Vayne Did nothing but troll until D2, got good N2 and then got nightkilled.
Koshi just trolled and tunneled me even when he should not have.
I had no idea that Oats might be a doctor.
JAT was new and started bad, but he did actually get good from N3 onwards.
Exar made what I consider to be an unnecessary big play that totally changed the game.

The whole game just felt really hard for me. Rayn was useful when not drunk but he was unlocky with his night actions. Clarity was helpful but then got nightkilled.

I thought that Cora was with me due to the green check, but he was being useless and now I know why.

All in all it just seemed like a really hard game for me. I did try, but people hindered instead of helping.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 02:12 GMT

#5019

On August 07 2013 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dont be too hard on yourself hzflank, although when someone hard defends a scumread of yours, one of them probably isnt scum.

Tbh that was an ego problem.

Because I knew I could not be night-killed, I thought the scum team would be worried if I had them all nailed. I thought that you were playing out of desperation to win before you had to nightkill Cora/Rayn.

I was too arrogant.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 02:39 GMT

#5029

To be fair, how much did association cases affect it?

Exar was lynched for his fake-claim. You can call that a bad lynch but I never will. There is no good pro-town reason for making that fake-claim.

I made a bit of an association case against Koshi but that is not why he was lynched.

My case on Oats did not rely on association.

My case on Tofu did not rely on association.

The biggest association that I actually made that really hurt is was that Tofu and Stutters are not both scum.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 02:41 GMT

#5034

A gutsy move? As I said before, if Malongo flipped green then town lost. If Malongo flipped red then town cop looks guilty. That's a bad move every time. The only possible redemption is to un-claim the second the next day starts.

Edit: Even then that relies on Malongo actually flipping red.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 02:43 GMT

#5036

I spent hours finding reason why Exar could be town. I knew that he could be town, I just thought that it was unlikely. It put us in a really bad situation and it seemed to me like the best way out of that situation was to lynch him.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 02:57 GMT

#5042

Ok I am off to bed.

Titanic was an accurate title for this game.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 16:59 GMT

#5063

In hindsight, the three people who were putting absolutely no effort into the game D4 turned out to be scum.

There were a lot of reasons as to why we could not see that properly, though. The green check on Cora really hurt.

I think I would like to second what was said earlier about majority lynch. I am not sure that it is suitable in a game where town need more correct lynches than mislynches. After lynching town D1 (my fault, but I thought it was expected D1 anyway) the majority lynch put us in a position where it was really hard to find scum, because we needed almost everyone to agree.

hzflank

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August 07 2013 17:09 GMT

#5069

Cora, all I can say is you were really good up until N3. On N3 and D4 you were obviously not trying to win for town. But we had that green check on you and the doctor never claimed. Also, you were sitting on Koshi and I was having a hard time seeing Koshi as town.

I was trying to win (Rayn and JAT were obviously also trying to win) and Koshi explicitly stated that JAT and me were scum and he wanted to just call us scum to look good post game. I thought that if Koshi was town he would not be caring about how he looked postgame.