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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 15:36 GMT
#3970
Also Stutters entrance in thread N3 screams scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 15:38 GMT
#3973
On August 05 2013 00:37 justanothertownie wrote:
So, I thought about the Koshi/FT question.
I'm torn. They both look very scummy to me. What throws me off is that I don't think Stutters and FT are on the same scum team so it is not as easy as it could be after this flip. This would mean Koshi would be a better target because he is scum in almost every possible scenario.
Still I read Stutters and Tofus Filter again and while Stutters does not look bad in my opinion FTs filter almost screams scum. Just look at his contribution since his almost-lynch - doesn't look very townie, does it?
Then there is this:
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On August 03 2013 08:47 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, this is where I stand.

If XRZ flips town:
I think it's probably JAT, Stutters, rayn/Clarity/Koshi.
rayn could be lying about the cop claim, but I'm deferring to hz's best judgement on this. I have to agree that no cop is pretty unlikely so until another claim comes up, rayn could still be town.

If XRZ flips scum:
I think it's probably CJS, JAT, Koshi, maybe Stutters.

When you look at his reads concerning a xrz town flip there is me (town - I know it is not obvious for you in this situation), Stutters (I'm not sure here) and especially this: rayn/clarity/Koshi.
It should DEFINITELY be Koshi and just Koshi. I don't know why he feels the need to add rayn and clarity here. Keep in mind this is his xrz town scenario. Total bullshit.

Since pre-flip stuff didn't work that well the last time I think I would slightly prefer a FT lynch. I would hate if we lost and he escaped the lynch 3 times while being scum.

But honestly I am still down for both a Koshi and a FT lynch.

I´m a bit puzzled over this post of yours because if FT and Stutters are both not scum, that means you kinda have to be scum?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 15:41 GMT
#3979
On August 05 2013 00:39 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
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On August 05 2013 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Stutters entrance in thread N3 screams scum.

Just like XRZ was scum and Malongo was 100% town. Right. I love how you point out only Stutters' entrance as being scummy when Koshi's entrance was way scummier and he only returned when there were 3 votes on him. That sounds like a defensive scum play to me.

Oats is town. The fact that he's not caring about anything is pretty consistent with his town meta. Don't get even farther off track with a possible Oats scum because it isn't possible.

I don´t have to point out anything Koshi has said because he is mafia and what he says has nothing to do with what i have to say about stutters.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 15:46 GMT
#3985
On August 05 2013 00:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats, I have explained myself. You're the one that hasn't, all game.
I didn't even call you scum, I said based on your posts alone I would think you were scum, but there are other factors.
hz puts it nicely.

Are you saying you've pushed your reads and influenced town positively? Like, if we lynch two scum and can't find the third I'm looking your way. Although I'll probably be dead by then.

One random thought btw, to no one specific. Is it possible scum didn't kill rayn cause they think I'm doc?

I don´t think that´s the case here. Mafia thought vayne + XRZ are cops. You being a doc fit´s nowhere in there as hzflank is vet. I don´t think scum would assume 4 power roles, unlkess you actually area doc in which case mafia having a GF + roleblocker is not 100% out of the question.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 15:58 GMT
#3994
On August 05 2013 00:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On August 05 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats, I have explained myself. You're the one that hasn't, all game.
I didn't even call you scum, I said based on your posts alone I would think you were scum, but there are other factors.
hz puts it nicely.

Are you saying you've pushed your reads and influenced town positively? Like, if we lynch two scum and can't find the third I'm looking your way. Although I'll probably be dead by then.

One random thought btw, to no one specific. Is it possible scum didn't kill rayn cause they think I'm doc?

I don´t think that´s the case here. Mafia thought vayne + XRZ are cops. You being a doc fit´s nowhere in there as hzflank is vet. I don´t think scum would assume 4 power roles, unlkess you actually area doc in which case mafia having a GF + roleblocker is not 100% out of the question.


I meant that I'm a doc instead of vayne being a cop. So like, they expected me to protect you so they roleblock xrz and kill vayne (since hz is vet)

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On August 05 2013 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats, I have explained myself. You're the one that hasn't, all game.
I didn't even call you scum, I said based on your posts alone I would think you were scum, but there are other factors.
hz puts it nicely.

Are you saying you've pushed your reads and influenced town positively? Like, if we lynch two scum and can't find the third I'm looking your way. Although I'll probably be dead by then.

One random thought btw, to no one specific. Is it possible scum didn't kill rayn cause they think I'm doc?

Clarity, you cant say shit like 'oats look scum off his posts' without backing it up.

AND YOU HAVENT.
Now either back it up or take it back.


I have. If you refuse to read that's fine.
Do you think I'm town? You should.
Am I pushing for your lynch? I'm not.

Are you helping town by pushing this? You're not.

Why would they not hit you and vanilla!vayne instead?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 15:59 GMT
#3997
On August 05 2013 00:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
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On August 05 2013 00:53 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:41 hzflank wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:39 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Stutters entrance in thread N3 screams scum.

Just like XRZ was scum and Malongo was 100% town. Right. I love how you point out only Stutters' entrance as being scummy when Koshi's entrance was way scummier and he only returned when there were 3 votes on him. That sounds like a defensive scum play to me.

Oats is town. The fact that he's not caring about anything is pretty consistent with his town meta. Don't get even farther off track with a possible Oats scum because it isn't possible.


If Oats is town then there are only 4 possible scum left. Do you see FT and Stutters both likely as being scum together?

I think it's very unlikely that FT and Stutters are on the same scumteam.

If I had to make a scumteam lineup, and I really hate to do this because it is stupid, I would put it at:

JAT/Stutters/Koshi/Malongo

There are way too many players that have played very similarly. It's the reason that we are facing MYLO (I think, I know we have one lynch left). These 4 players have all lurked at times, have not contributed to the scumhunt in a decent manner, and have generally been really useless for the entire game. Sure, their filters are long (most likely longer than mine), but they refuse to partake in discussion (especially over the last 2 days) and they refuse to weigh the circumstances of their vote. They just sheeped onto XRZ and allowed a townie to be lynched without giving it a second thought. Imagine if 2-3 players had been reading the thread and made an accurate decision instead of just going "It looks like XRZ is scum herp derp" and just agreeing with the same crappy heuristics that Rayn and company threw out.

Out of all of these players, I truly think Koshi is the scummiest and the most likely to flip scum should he be lynched. That's why I want to vote for him D4.

This just isn't true concerning me. If you read my filter you wouldn't say this.

Dude, your vote is even worse than Koshi's. In 5 posts, you go from "XRZ is town to me" to "XRZ is scum". The 5 posts inbetween were set-up speculation and using the same heuristics as everyone else who voted for XRZ. You even said that the thought process being used was ridiculous, yet you voted for XRC...scum trying to blend in?

Corazon, i do not think the XRZ lynch was bad. At least every townie is on the same page now and i really thought he was mafia.

I agree with your reads, all of them.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:01 GMT
#4003
Sorry Clarity i thought you were asking me that
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:02 GMT
#4004
On August 05 2013 01:01 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 01:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats, I have explained myself. You're the one that hasn't, all game.
I didn't even call you scum, I said based on your posts alone I would think you were scum, but there are other factors.
hz puts it nicely.

Are you saying you've pushed your reads and influenced town positively? Like, if we lynch two scum and can't find the third I'm looking your way. Although I'll probably be dead by then.

One random thought btw, to no one specific. Is it possible scum didn't kill rayn cause they think I'm doc?

I don´t think that´s the case here. Mafia thought vayne + XRZ are cops. You being a doc fit´s nowhere in there as hzflank is vet. I don´t think scum would assume 4 power roles, unlkess you actually area doc in which case mafia having a GF + roleblocker is not 100% out of the question.


I meant that I'm a doc instead of vayne being a cop. So like, they expected me to protect you so they roleblock xrz and kill vayne (since hz is vet)

On August 05 2013 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oats, I have explained myself. You're the one that hasn't, all game.
I didn't even call you scum, I said based on your posts alone I would think you were scum, but there are other factors.
hz puts it nicely.

Are you saying you've pushed your reads and influenced town positively? Like, if we lynch two scum and can't find the third I'm looking your way. Although I'll probably be dead by then.

One random thought btw, to no one specific. Is it possible scum didn't kill rayn cause they think I'm doc?

Clarity, you cant say shit like 'oats look scum off his posts' without backing it up.

AND YOU HAVENT.
Now either back it up or take it back.


I have. If you refuse to read that's fine.
Do you think I'm town? You should.
Am I pushing for your lynch? I'm not.

Are you helping town by pushing this? You're not.

Why would they not hit you and vanilla!vayne instead?


Yep, true. Was hoping someone who I didn't consider confirmed town would answer honestly

On August 05 2013 00:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:53 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:41 hzflank wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:39 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
On August 05 2013 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Stutters entrance in thread N3 screams scum.

Just like XRZ was scum and Malongo was 100% town. Right. I love how you point out only Stutters' entrance as being scummy when Koshi's entrance was way scummier and he only returned when there were 3 votes on him. That sounds like a defensive scum play to me.

Oats is town. The fact that he's not caring about anything is pretty consistent with his town meta. Don't get even farther off track with a possible Oats scum because it isn't possible.


If Oats is town then there are only 4 possible scum left. Do you see FT and Stutters both likely as being scum together?

I think it's very unlikely that FT and Stutters are on the same scumteam.

If I had to make a scumteam lineup, and I really hate to do this because it is stupid, I would put it at:

JAT/Stutters/Koshi/Malongo

There are way too many players that have played very similarly. It's the reason that we are facing MYLO (I think, I know we have one lynch left). These 4 players have all lurked at times, have not contributed to the scumhunt in a decent manner, and have generally been really useless for the entire game. Sure, their filters are long (most likely longer than mine), but they refuse to partake in discussion (especially over the last 2 days) and they refuse to weigh the circumstances of their vote. They just sheeped onto XRZ and allowed a townie to be lynched without giving it a second thought. Imagine if 2-3 players had been reading the thread and made an accurate decision instead of just going "It looks like XRZ is scum herp derp" and just agreeing with the same crappy heuristics that Rayn and company threw out.

Out of all of these players, I truly think Koshi is the scummiest and the most likely to flip scum should he be lynched. That's why I want to vote for him D4.

This just isn't true concerning me. If you read my filter you wouldn't say this.

Dude, your vote is even worse than Koshi's. In 5 posts, you go from "XRZ is town to me" to "XRZ is scum". The 5 posts inbetween were set-up speculation and using the same heuristics as everyone else who voted for XRZ. You even said that the thought process being used was ridiculous, yet you voted for XRC...scum trying to blend in?


If you think he's scum you shouldn't try to convince him that he's scum.

One at a time buddy...trying to lynch the entire scum team at once didn't really work for us D3

Actually it did quite well, only reversed.

Tomorrow´s lynch should be no other than THE KOSHI!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:03 GMT
#4006
Also this is why you don´t do over phase change shenanigans unless you are going to hold on them under any circumstances. It fucks you over. :/
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:11 GMT
#4011
On August 05 2013 01:04 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Literally the first half of D3 was persecuting XRZ with bad logic and the second half was "1/2/3/4 are scum, we're voting them next"

Worst. Lynch. Ever.
Ok that's the end of me talking about the XRZ lynch.

Actually we got quite a lot out of it.
- FirmTofu´s post regarding who is scum with/without XRZ was really horrible. There was zero logic in it.
- Koshi´s been bad and scummy throughout the game and i tried to lynch him on D1 and D2 (that´s also a reason i didn´t think Malongo was mafia). I don´t even bother to recheck the quotes/posts because everyone knows that´s a fact.
- JAT makes no sense with his logic right now. He says he does not think Stutters/FT are both scum but everyone else are town but Koshi. That kinda makes himself scum no?
- Stutters is still meh.. On the other hand he looks good for pushing same targets i have (mainly FT & Koshi eariler, D3 is irrelevant now), but then him sayin he voted for XRZ because of "pre-flip associations" is bullshit. The case was not a pre-flip association, definitely not. Other things on D3 were, but the case was not. Either way he didn´t even understand the case (so his vote makes no sense), or he is mafia who is now trying to justify his vote.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:13 GMT
#4015
lol, i don´t know what to make out of that comment..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:13 GMT
#4016
JAT do you think mafia has a godfather?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:18 GMT
#4022
On August 05 2013 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:
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On August 05 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT do you think mafia has a godfather?

I don't know. Oats can be scum without being GF because as you said yourself scum did not believe you are cop.

Why exactly do you think Oats is mafia, and why is he more likely to be mafia than both Stutters&FT?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:24 GMT
#4027
On August 05 2013 01:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 05 2013 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 05 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JAT do you think mafia has a godfather?

I don't know. Oats can be scum without being GF because as you said yourself scum did not believe you are cop.

Why exactly do you think Oats is mafia, and why is he more likely to be mafia than both Stutters&FT?

He is NOT more likely to be scum than both Stutters/FT wtf are you talking about? I think he is mafia because there are no other possibilities left besides stutters and tofu being on the same scum team.

Fair enough. That´s what i expected unless you wanted to claim scum.

But i do not think Oats is mafia. I do not think Oats as mafia would risk me being a cop and would talk his team into either roleblocking/hitting me instead of vayne.

Stutters does buss. His first scumgame was Basterd mini mafia, where he voted for mkfuba, his teammate on D1. Hell, he made a big case on him. Don´t count out that as a possibility, because Stutters is not bad as mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:27 GMT
#4030
Guys, JAT is probably town. Can you see why?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:35 GMT
#4034
Mafia needs to push 1 mislynch to win the game. This is the moment where you as mafia have the best chances of winning by followin the thread sentiment (Koshi/Stutters/JAT/FT). Why does mafia!JAT feel the need to add Oats into the suspect pool? It does only cause problems and make people think you are mafia because you are dumb.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:38 GMT
#4036
Koshi, FT, Stutters.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:42 GMT
#4038
On August 05 2013 01:40 Stutters695 wrote:
Hz he's saying my meta read on Oats is wrong because if Oats is town he should care so we don't lose. He clearly doesn't know oats then because those rules don't apply to oats.

Does Oats care more about winning as scum in your opinion?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:50 GMT
#4041
Ahh so because you know how he acts as town it´s impossible for him to act the same way in that certain situation as mafia?

Where are you basing this meta read again?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 04 2013 16:51 GMT
#4042
You know that argument is really really weak.
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