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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 15:27 GMT
#4600
@ Stutters

You promised to help solve the game and then you disappeared. Will you have some time today?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 16:54 GMT
#4611
Stutters and Rayn, I really need you to vote for Koshi today please.

I really believe that town are going to win this, but you guys need to get on Koshi.

Oats is scum. Look at the conversation that I had with him earlier. Look at how he unvotes Koshi and votes Stutters with a bad reason. Do not trust Oats. Vote Koshi.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 17:01 GMT
#4613
Oh yeah it is, thanks.

We need Stutters and/or FT to vote also. One of them is town and we need all town votes.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 17:13 GMT
#4617
Rayn, I will absolutely not vote Stutters today, sorry. I think he might be town, but we can go over that tomorrow.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 17:22 GMT
#4618
Think about this Rayn. Let's say you are right and FT and Stutters are both town. How do we possibly win?

There is no way Oats is going to lynch both Stutters and FT. If we lynch Stutters and he flips red then a town-Oats is going to have FT as confirmed town anyway and we need all town votes to win. I really do not think that FT and Stutters are both town also, due to their interactions.

Also I made some good points against Oats that he could not answer without making himself look worse. Then I had to sleep and the thread went to shit. Now Oats has his vote back on Stutters again. I do not know if that means that Stutters is scum or town, but I think it means that Oats is mafia.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 17:31 GMT
#4620
Because Oats thought that Koshi was mafia and most people are pushing for a Koshi lynch. Oats did not provide a good reason for why Koshi is town. In fact, Oats has been trying to get the vote off of Koshi all day, even though Oats claims that he thinks Koshi is scum.

Why is his vote not on Koshi? The only good reason I see is if Oats wanted to set a trap by seeing who else would vote for Stutters.

IIRC this was all in my case on Oats.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 17:33 GMT
#4621
If Oats thinks that Koshi is scum then why post this?

On August 05 2013 20:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
why dont you make a case on stutters?
me/ft/you are willing to vote for him.

Probably Rayn and CJS too. if they are both town.

So thats 5 people
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 17:35 GMT
#4622
Oats' vote was on Koshi D2 until 4 other guys voted Koshi, then he unvoted.

Oats' attacked Exar early D3, but then moved his vote to Koshi once it became apparent that Exar was going to be lynched anyway.

Then on on D4, does Oats vote Koshi? Nope, he votes Stutters.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 17:47 GMT
#4625
If you have time re-read on case on Oats if you did not read it thoroughly. There were some strong points and some weaker points in there. But in the discussion I had with Oats after I posted the case he tried to defend one of the strong points and just ended up looking like scum.

Look at this at noticed the timestamps (I put them in chronological order order):

On August 04 2013 22:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
thanks CJS.
2/2 so far


On August 05 2013 17:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 16:55 FirmTofu wrote:
On August 05 2013 14:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
pretty ok shot Hzflank.

##vote stutters

Oats, you should probably work on reading the thread. Why do you think this is an OK shot when you have had me as a town read for the majority of the game? Also, why are you voting stutters without waiting for my flip?

??
Its a good shot because then we dont waste today lynching you

stutters is scum in every variation of the scumteam I can think of.


On August 05 2013 19:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
CJS might be scum actually.

Hmm.


On August 06 2013 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
Variations meaning
stutters/koshi/JAT
stutters/koshi/CJS
stutters/JAT/CJS

so I shouldnt have variations?


Notice how he thinks CJS is town. Then he has scum team variations. Then he thinks CJS might be scum. Then he has CJS in his variations.

That's in the wrong order. He should of thought CJS was scum before he had scum team variations.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 17:58 GMT
#4628
On August 07 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But Oats is voting for Stutters every time it his vote doesn´t mean shit. Don´t think Stutters is town for that, because i just caught him of lying.

Gush.. Why can´t anyone else seem town than you/Cora. :E


I agree that Oats vote does not make Stutters town. It just makes Oats scum.

I am at the same place I have been for 24 hours. I know 2 scum, but I do not know whether Stutters or FT is the third.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 17:59 GMT
#4630
FT's case against JAT was bad. FT took a point that I previously looked at (JAT's D2 scumslip) and reached the opposite conclusion to what I did. Since we now know that Malongo flipped red, I thought that JAT's supposed scumslip made JAT look more town. FT thought it made JAT look more scum.

Either FT is scum or his analysis is bad. I thought he was trying to force a case that he should not believe in.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 18:11 GMT
#4633
On August 07 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least Oats is justifying his "i refuse to talk anything about FT because townslip", and that is retarded.


I don't know what you mean by this part.

Also, if Koshi is town then he is completely attacking the wrong people. I do not see why a town-Koshi would still be attacking me at this point.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 18:17 GMT
#4635
On August 07 2013 03:14 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:11 hzflank wrote:
On August 07 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least Oats is justifying his "i refuse to talk anything about FT because townslip", and that is retarded.


I don't know what you mean by this part.

Also, if Koshi is town then he is completely attacking the wrong people. I do not see why a town-Koshi would still be attacking me at this point.

Ok hz, can we have a talk?


As long as it is productive. I dont want 3 pages of spam that gets in the way of people looking at productive scumhunting, which from my position is what it seems you have been doing.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 18:25 GMT
#4638
On August 07 2013 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look, there is a small possibility that Koshi is in fact town. FT looks much worse than him, and JAT went mia, again..

At least Oats is justifying his "i refuse to talk anything about FT because townslip", and that is retarded.

I'm here. If you have a question - ask. Otherwise I will continue reading filters.


Well there have been a lot of developments recently so you must have something to say. What do you think of Oats?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 18:26 GMT
#4639
On August 07 2013 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:11 hzflank wrote:
On August 07 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least Oats is justifying his "i refuse to talk anything about FT because townslip", and that is retarded.


I don't know what you mean by this part.

Also, if Koshi is town then he is completely attacking the wrong people. I do not see why a town-Koshi would still be attacking me at this point.

Because he thinks you are mafia. It´s not uncommon for townies to tunnel some dude they think is mafia for bad reasons or not looking at the big picture. Everyone does that some time. Koshi has at least given reasons why he thinks you are mafia. Those reasons actually make sense. Although i think the reasons why you are town outweight the reasons why you are mafia i can see Koshi´s point, at least i understand what he is trying to say and how that is possible from a townie.

Remove the "at least" from Oats comment and it makes much more sense. All game Oats has refused to comment on FT because of townslip. It makes no sense, he is just saying "because of this one town tell i refuse to talk anything about FT, whatever he says".


Why did FT allow Oats to do that?

When Vivax and Rayn said I was town based on a single paragraph I flipped out about it.

Can we get any idea of FT's alignment based on that?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 18:29 GMT
#4640
It's going to be very hard for me to look at Koshi from an objective position. He has made it more difficult for me to play this game and I think he is scum. If you (Rayn) do not want to lynch Koshi then you should work on convincing Cora rather than me.

As for Stutters, he has done a few things that make him look like scum. He has only done a few things that make him look town. He has not been very active and he has rarely played proactivly.

However, I do not want to lynch Stutters today. I do not believe that Rayn's point makes him 100% scum. I will look at voting for him on D5, though.

Realistically, the only person I might be willing to switch my vote to is Oats. But I am happy lynching Koshi today and then pusing Oats on D5.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 18:33 GMT
#4643
Oh I agree. Plenty of things FT has done make him scum. FT has mostly been reactive also. For a guy that signs up to so many games he has been pretty inactive.

Also don't forget the point that I made earlier about FT on D3. Firstly, FT should never be submissive to me like that because as I showed he thinks that I am not a good player. Secondly, he seemed to not know what was even going on in the game. I do not buy that FT is not reading the game. In that recent I Swear 2 game FT fake-claimed Traitor and won the game for town, right? That's a good move. How does a player who makes moves like that play the way FT did in this game on D3?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 18:39 GMT
#4644
Okay Koshi, being productive means we need to look at who to lynch other than you and me. There are 3 scum, Rayn and Cora are likely town.

What do you think of my points against Oats?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 18:54 GMT
#4655
On August 07 2013 03:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:33 hzflank wrote:
Oh I agree. Plenty of things FT has done make him scum. FT has mostly been reactive also. For a guy that signs up to so many games he has been pretty inactive.

Also don't forget the point that I made earlier about FT on D3. Firstly, FT should never be submissive to me like that because as I showed he thinks that I am not a good player. Secondly, he seemed to not know what was even going on in the game. I do not buy that FT is not reading the game. In that recent I Swear 2 game FT fake-claimed Traitor and won the game for town, right? That's a good move. How does a player who makes moves like that play the way FT did in this game on D3?

Hz, I don't think you are not a good player. You are an excellent player. I just thought you made a few mistakes in our newbie game.

My inactivity is not alignment indicative. I have been busy IRL. My inactivity spans all my games in a consistent fashion.

I don't think I've been reactive at all. I've constantly been accusing people. First, XRZ. Then, JAT. Can you explain to me what exactly about my play makes you think I am playing reactively?


You were proactive D1 and the first half of D2. Since then you have mostly been happy with the status quo.

Since Exar flipped, you have only really posted when I have aimed accusations at you. You thought Jat was scum and voted for him. You only made a case because I told you to. And since then you have not actually pushed JAT. You do not even seem to be trying to engage scum to solidify your reads on them.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 06 2013 18:56 GMT
#4656
On August 07 2013 03:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:25 hzflank wrote:
On August 07 2013 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:
On August 07 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look, there is a small possibility that Koshi is in fact town. FT looks much worse than him, and JAT went mia, again..

At least Oats is justifying his "i refuse to talk anything about FT because townslip", and that is retarded.

I'm here. If you have a question - ask. Otherwise I will continue reading filters.


Well there have been a lot of developments recently so you must have something to say. What do you think of Oats?

Oats could absolutely be mafia. He didn't give a shit all game long an just left aggressive comments here and there. Also he never votes with town. I would have called oats scum earlier but you guys said this play is his town meta and since I don't know oats I thought this might be true.
Although this is not a good reason it makes also sense because if he is scum only one of FT/Stutters has to be mafia.


But do you think my points against Oats were good or bad?

If you are actually trying to win the game for scum then you should of read them. Especially since I started with the reason as to why Oats is not confirmed town.
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