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hzflank
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On August 06 2013 11:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Koshi I hate when mafia gets away with shit like this. See Oats and Stutters be mafia. ggyo- so FT is town now? | ||
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Oats is “Confirmed Town” No, Oats is not confirmed town. Rayn believes that Oats is confirmed town due to the N2 night actions. On August 05 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats does not push crazy conspiracy theories (vayne being a cop instead of me), Koshi does. There is a big flaw in this logic. Koshi is scum and therefore we do not know wich of Koshi and scum-Oats submitted the night actions. Particularly since Oats is sleeping in the hours leading up to the deadline while Koshi is active. Oats is not confirmed town. Oats has been town-hunting instead of scum-hunting Town players should scum-hunt. Oats' mission objective this game has instead been to confirm enough people as town so that the remaining players must be scum. In particular, Oats was not actually trying to hard-confirm people as town, but rather get a whole bunch of town reads. On July 31 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote: no shoot malongo or rayn  Rayn why do I always wanna kill you man. Ok at this point I have 7 strong townreads. So therefore the remaining people are scum. Stutters/rayn/malongo/koshi Oats votes for Stutters D4 Oats has been calling Koshi scum for most of the game. He was the first to vote for Koshi D2 after calling Koshi scum multiple times. Then Malongo suddenly self-votes and some people move from Koshi to Malongo. Oats moves from Koshi to Exar. On July 31 2013 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote: ##unvote ##vote Koshi No sane person would do this. Malongo self votes. On July 31 2013 09:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Wat People unvote Koshi. On July 31 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote: fuck it #sheep vivax ##unvote ##vote XRZ Oats never moves his vote to Malongo. Even though Oats had Exar as town based on the earlier list, and Oats had Stutters/rayn/malongo/koshi as scum. For some reason, when one of Oats' scum reads self-voted, Oats moved his vote from his other scum-read to his town-read. On D3, once I pointed out that I did not think a town-Oats would want to vote for Exar, Oats moved his vote to Koshi (Cora was already on Koshi) and left it there. He never actually tried to push the Koshi lynch on D3, though. Then on D4 when Koshi is under massive pressure, Pats just drops his vote on Stutters. He does not give a reason for why he is voting Stutters instead of Koshi. I believe that Oats was trying to vote for scum on both D2 and D3 without ever actually trying to get scum lynched. Additionally, Oats thinks that Koshi is scum, right? Then why ie hs trying to save him D4? On August 05 2013 20:52 Oatsmaster wrote: why dont you make a case on stutters? me/ft/you are willing to vote for him. Probably Rayn and CJS too. if they are both town. So thats 5 people  FirmTofu town-slipped This is just an excuse by Oats to not scum-hunt in Tofu's direction. There is no good reason for a town player to refuse to scum hunt another player from D1 onwards until the end of the game. Additionally, since this is majority lynch and Oats votes early and is not online at the deadline it presents a massive problem. We cannot possibly win the game if Oats is town and Tofu is scum. This is because every town member needs to vote together in order to lynch scum, so town-Oats would just vote for someone else then go afk and the other town players would be forced to sheep Oats. Now we are at MYLO Oats' town-read on Tofu is forced on everyone else. There is no good reason for a town-player to force this. Pretending not to read the thread On D1 I accused Oats of not reading the thread a couple of times. Maybe I was correct or maybe he is scum. However, on D4 we get this: On August 05 2013 14:54 Oatsmaster wrote: pretty ok shot Hzflank. ##vote stutters While it is possible that Oats just did not read the thread properly, you think he would of noticed that Tofu had no in fact flipped. Not to mention that he thought my shot on the guy that he has had confirmed town for the entire game was a pretty ok shot. This is speculation (obviously), but rather than not reading the thread this looks more like he read something about me faking the shot in scum QT saying that people should pretend they do not know that it was a fake shot. Since Oats is in a different timezone he responded much later. Oats has scum team variations Remember how Oats' objective has been getting town reads and finding scum by process of elimination? Well, he had so many town-reads that JAT had to become scum. But since then he has someone managed to find scum team variations amongst his mass of town-reads. On August 05 2013 17:01 Oatsmaster wrote: ?? Its a good shot because then we dont waste today lynching you stutters is scum in every variation of the scumteam I can think of. Oats' entire play has lead to what should be one possible scum-team. He should not have variations. | ||
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hzflank
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The main reason I was holind back this case is because I needed to find out whether or not your vote on Stutters D4 was trap or not. But you said it was not, so I think that you are scum. | ||
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hzflank
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On August 06 2013 11:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats and Stutters are both mafia. no need to try. Just vote for stutters. FT is also scum. So Koshi is town? I think you are drunk Rayn, and partially wrong. I think that either Stutters or FT is town. | ||
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You voted Koshi. Koshi got 5 votes Malongo self voted. Two people unvoted Koshi and voted for Malongo. Then you unvoted Koshi and voted for Exar. Why? | ||
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On August 06 2013 11:44 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Oats is town. You guys are dumb. We will lynch Koshi today. But look at JAT's N3 and D4 play. You seem to be assuming that he is scum without seeing that he is trying to win for town. | ||
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hzflank
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Dont throw the Exar lynch at me until post game. I am willing to argue very strongly about it, but not now. | ||
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On August 06 2013 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Variations meaning stutters/koshi/JAT stutters/koshi/CJS stutters/JAT/CJS so I shouldnt have variations? So you that think Cora might be Godfather? Since when? | ||
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On August 04 2013 22:32 Oatsmaster wrote: thanks CJS. 2/2 so far | ||
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On August 05 2013 20:52 Oatsmaster wrote: why dont you make a case on stutters? me/ft/you are willing to vote for him. Probably Rayn and CJS too. if they are both town. So thats 5 people You say "if they are both town", but if you actually think that one of them is scum you should not of included them. | ||
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On August 05 2013 17:01 Oatsmaster wrote: ?? Its a good shot because then we dont waste today lynching you stutters is scum in every variation of the scumteam I can think of. Was posted two hours before this: On August 05 2013 19:00 Oatsmaster wrote: CJS might be scum actually. Hmm. | ||
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On August 06 2013 13:56 FirmTofu wrote: Read my case please. I did read it and I think that JAT is town. The most interesting part of your case is that you and me both looked at something JAT did and got opposite results. Compare: On August 05 2013 06:12 hzflank wrote: Either Scum-JAT knows that the check is real and is leaving open the possibility of getting Vayne lynched before Malongo. Normally this would be impossible, but since Vaybe trolled D1 there could have been some hope. Still, without a counter-claim it is highly unlikely. We do not know whether first-timer JAT would know that, though. Or Town-JAT has no reason to trust Vayne more than he trusts Malongo. Hzflank was JAT's biggest scum read at the time, so he shared that scum-read with Malongo. This might make him initially more inclined to believe Malongo than Vayne. Conclusion: JAT would be more likely to believe Vayne if JAT were scum. JAT would be less likely to believe Vayne if JAT were town. Minor town-cred for JAT. Follow-up: When Mal and Koshi are getting the most heat and JAT is being put on hold: Conclusion: Tofu and JAT are less likely to be of the same alignment. | ||
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hzflank
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Stutters recently posted this against Oats. It is quite a viscous point that has a good chance of sticking. I even used it in my case. I do not think that Stutters would use this kind of ammo in a scum-scum attack. On August 06 2013 03:58 Stutters695 wrote: No, he hasn't eliminated it down to 3 or he wouldn't have said this. He needs to explain, let him. | ||
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hzflank
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On August 06 2013 02:08 Koshi wrote: I don't even know if I would defend myself if I was town, | ||
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On August 06 2013 23:59 Koshi wrote: I meant if I was in your town position. lol. Ah well. Cora and rayn. We will see. How do you arrive at that context? You were not even talking about me at that point in the post. On August 06 2013 02:08 Koshi wrote: Yeah rayn, you sum it up pretty well. Day 1/N1/D2 was horrible and I should have died instead of XRZ. If I took the game more serious day 1, didn't troll day 2 and actually looked into JAT before going crazy, I might have been able to change the tides of this game. But I made horrible mistakes and I will pay for them. Below you will find my scumteam and I think I might have been able to point them all 3 out with some more town kred and better play. Or at least have more information to actually find the 3 scummers. I don't even know if I would defend myself if I was town, probably not. This is my last post. There is no point in me trying to defend me further if 3/3 hz/rayn/cora are going to lynch me. Somewhat disappointed that they didn't try to put some pressure elsewhere put meh, I am not going to blame them for lynching me. Maybe for some other shit but dnu. Endgame cred (even though I don't deserve any): JAT, Stutters & hzflank. laters. | ||
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On August 07 2013 00:04 Koshi wrote: But maybe you should defend the points I made against you instead of removing my credebility? You know, because when I flip scum people will be looking for other scummies. The game won't be over like you are insinuating here by not defending yourself. You just defended for me. If you are town and I am scum then I would of just kept quiet today and let your lynch go through. Instead I have been active and trying to solve the game. | ||
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hzflank
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So if you flip town then I do not need to defend myself. And if you flip scum then I obviously do not need to defend anything that you have said to me. You have basically proved that we are not both scum. So why should I defend myself today? | ||
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On August 07 2013 00:16 Koshi wrote: Are you dense? This game is over when I flip town? Yes, it is MYLO so if you flip town then the game ends. So lets say that you are town and I am scum, why would of made the thread more active today? I would just of kept quiet and let your lynch go through. What I am instead doing is preparing for when you flip scum. Just stop Koshi. All you are doing is running interference to stop me scum-hunting your teammates. | ||
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