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On August 03 2013 06:48 Koshi wrote:
This is nothing new but I don't understand it.
Exar never intended to un-claim Cop. He was forced to.
If anyone had noticed that above paragraph then Exar could not be a real cop. If Exar was a real cop he would of known why he picked to check Oats before the night-action results. Exar's reason for picking to check Oats included the fact that Exar was roelblocked N2, which he would not of known when he put the cop check in.
Therefore, there was evidence in the thread that Exar could not be a real cop, so he had to un-claim.
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On August 03 2013 06:52 Koshi wrote:
1) XRZ gets roleblocked
2) XRZ says this means Clarity was speaking the truth about being roleblocked N1
3) He picked Oats
He has to pick Oats before he gets roleblocked, though.
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Look
Exar intended to keep to the Cop claim and scum itended push a lynch on Rayn.
Then, Exar makes a not-cop-slip, so Exar has to say that he fake claimed cop and scum can no longer push to lynch Rayn.
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That above paragraph is Exar explaining why he picked to check Oats. It includes a part about why he did not check Clarity, which is because Exar was roleblocked. That is a slip, because when he put in the order to check Clarity, Exar did not know that he had been roleblocked.
Therefore Exar could not be cop. So instead of hoping that no one saw it he un-claimed cop and the thread went nuts, and no one noticed the slip.
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Just read page 155 starting from the D3 post, you should get it.
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Go read the thread in context.
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I am making a big post full of quotes, give me 2 minutes, you will see.
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Exarzee is explaining his choice of cop check target. He says:
He can make a case against some people without needing to check them.
He feels good about Clarity being town because he (Exar) was roleblocked.
So that left Oats, JAT or Stutters
The bolded line cannot be part of his reason for the cop check.
Btw scum team is Exar, Cora and Clarity. I will get to that later, but I am probably going to hard a hard time communicating it. Rayn will get it, though.
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On August 02 2013 09:02 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Well let's make this easy on ourselves:
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet
On August 02 2013 09:06 exarezee wrote:
i got roleblocked
On August 02 2013 09:07 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:Who did you try to check?
On August 02 2013 09:10 exarezee wrote:
oats
On August 02 2013 09:18 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:Why Oats? Not Koshi or any of your other scum reads from the group of 5 you mentioned?
On August 02 2013 10:10 exarezee wrote:
I'm back on the computer.
I can make a case against the others without a peek. This is assuming that the mafia did not have a roleblocker, (which I wish they didn't, because we could assume clarity is scum. I feel good about clarity being town now. I can now assume if someone else were roleblocked, they would have said something) I narrowed down my choice of peeks to justanothertownie, oats, or stutters. I don't have a good feel for their position. I decided to peek oats who was who rayn said he was going to peek.
On August 02 2013 10:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why did you check Oats?
On August 02 2013 10:21 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:10 exarezee wrote:
I'm back on the computer.
I can make a case against the others without a peek. This is assuming that the mafia did not have a roleblocker, (which I wish they didn't, because we could assume clarity is scum. I feel good about clarity being town now. I can now assume if someone else were roleblocked, they would have said something) I narrowed down my choice of peeks to justanothertownie, oats, or stutters. I don't have a good feel for their position. I decided to peek oats who was who rayn said he was going to peek.
You need to read Rayn.
On August 02 2013 10:30 exarezee wrote:answered this one already
Therefore, Exar cannot be Cop.
On August 02 2013 10:33 exarezee wrote:
Here's where my head is at:
Town: Myself, rayn
Almost guaranteed town: clarity, captain jack
scum: oats
Time to solve the game on: tofu, koshi, stutters, hzflank, justanothertownie
On August 02 2013 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck it. This does not make sense to me.
Cora and XRZ help me out here please.
Why would scum not RB me and kill XRZ if we are both town? I even called a check on Oats. I did not in fact check Oats in case of mafia fuckup. I did check Cora and got town result.
Now why did i not get roleblocked if Oats is town? Or scum? Why the fuck not roleblock me and kill XRZ who looks more town than i do? I can´t understand shit any more. I think Oats is a GF or town. CJS is town for sure.
##Unvote:
On August 02 2013 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
actually i am not sure if XRZ is town, Cora please talk to me.
how does this make sense to you, that XRZ was rb´d and not killed, and i was not killed?
On August 02 2013 10:55 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck it. This does not make sense to me.
Cora and XRZ help me out here please.
Why would scum not RB me and kill XRZ if we are both town? I even called a check on Oats. I did not in fact check Oats in case of mafia fuckup. I did check Cora and got town result.
Now why did i not get roleblocked if Oats is town? Or scum? Why the fuck not roleblock me and kill XRZ who looks more town than i do? I can´t understand shit any more. I think Oats is a GF or town. CJS is town for sure.
##Unvote: WTF WTF I'm not convinced you're fucking town anymore. Holy fuck. I claim roleblocked. You don't claim roleblocked. How the fuck would u think I'm not town. So you think me and clarity are fucking scum/scum?
On August 02 2013 10:58 exarezee wrote:
Look at it from rayn's perspective. there are 3 people who could have died/got roleblocked. Vayne died. I claim roleblocked. And he thinks I'm not town? WTF WTF
Exar thought that Vayne was blue
On August 02 2013 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 10:58 exarezee wrote:
Look at it from rayn's perspective. there are 3 people who could have died/got roleblocked. Vayne died. I claim roleblocked. And he thinks I'm not town? WTF WTF Who is the third person besides me/you?
On August 02 2013 11:02 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 11:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 02 2013 10:59 exarezee wrote:On August 02 2013 10:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 02 2013 10:58 exarezee wrote:
Look at it from rayn's perspective. there are 3 people who could have died/got roleblocked. Vayne died. I claim roleblocked. And he thinks I'm not town? WTF WTF Who is the third person besides me/you? fucking vayne. are u this retarded? lol. why is vayne a power role? it doesnt matter if he's a power role or not. he fucking got night killed. mafia THOUGHT he was a power role. that's all that matters. there's 1 roleblock left, used on me or you. IT got used on me. I claimed it immediately. And you think im BSing? Makes absolutely 0 sense from you (town perspective).
On August 02 2013 11:03 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 11:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 02 2013 10:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok so for XRZ to be scum, means that scum has no RB and clarity is scum too.
I dont think that scum has no rb.
Therefore Rayn must be scum. And for some reason didnt kill xrz. Possibly to push his lynch.
Oats. I really am a cop. XRZ, Clarity, FT. look at what post Clarity calls me out for. :DDDDDD if ur a cop, freaking think a little more before you put things out there that people will believe like putting doubt on me. I could get fucking roleblocked rest of the game, and i'll have to prove my innocence, and if u die and are a cofirmed cop, people are going to believe u u know?
On August 02 2013 11:13 exarezee wrote:
I guess I'll have to drop a bomb since rayn I believe is seriously doubting me.
I am vanilla town. This is why I did not accuse rayn of being scum even after I claimed. I'm almost 100% certain he is cop. I was trying to draw the night kill. Did the next best thing by getting roleblocked. Obviously scum thought one of me or vayne were the actual cop. It is certainly believable that vayne could have been the actual cop. We are both getting roleblocked/killed during the day now, so I can reveal this. I know this because I was roleblocked today. I bought a free peek for us. Trust rayn's peek please. Unless there is no detective of course.
Scum team realises that they are completey fucked and Exar says he is not cop
It is going to take me fricking hours to figure out how to explain that to everyone piece by piece 
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it's funny, Rayn's drunked conversation nailed the whole scum team...and Rayn was too drunk to realize it.
##Manner Mules
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On August 03 2013 07:21 Stutters695 wrote:
What I see Hz is he didn't check Clarity because if someone else claimed RB he'd assume that clarity must be town since then an RB exists. That logic is faulty since scum can easily hide an RB n1 if they don't have a good idea of who is blue(I tried to withhold it in Basterd iirc, but no one else wanted to) but it doesn't show a slip in his thinking.
That does not make sense. Exar had to make his check assuming that he would neither be roleblocked or night killed. Therefore he had to assume that scum had no role blocker when he put the check in.
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On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything!
Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall!
They will concede before you are lynched.
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On August 03 2013 07:28 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
I'm pretty sure there have been 2147329845723897 scum teams proposed...all before flips. Does anyone know that making association cases before flips is bad?
Okay then, lets just lynch Exar since he has plenty of votes on him already. We can do the associations on Day 4...I am pretty sure I will still be around.
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On August 03 2013 07:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything! Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall! They will concede before you are lynched. hz, all these leaps you're making to somehow paint me scum. Remember the time when you asked me why I was so town? Those were good times man. Can we go back to those? At the very least can we lynch two scum before me?
Sure. We lynch Exar. If he flips scum then we lynch Cora. If he flips Godfather then we lynch you. Deal?
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Cora, you think that Exar is town anyway, so you should not be too worried.
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On August 03 2013 07:31 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:31 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:28 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
I'm pretty sure there have been 2147329845723897 scum teams proposed...all before flips. Does anyone know that making association cases before flips is bad? Okay then, lets just lynch Exar since he has plenty of votes on him already. We can do the associations on Day 4...I am pretty sure I will still be around. THEN WHY ARE YOU MAKING THEM NOW
My case on Exar is not based on association. I added the association bit so that you can see what I intend to push if Exar flips red.
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On August 03 2013 07:36 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:33 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything! Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall! They will concede before you are lynched. hz, all these leaps you're making to somehow paint me scum. Remember the time when you asked me why I was so town? Those were good times man. Can we go back to those? At the very least can we lynch two scum before me? Sure. We lynch Exar. If he flips scum then we lynch Cora. If he flips Godfather then we lynch you. Deal? I agree to two thirds of this plan. Let's talk about exar flipping town, who do you wanna lynch then? Still CJS or maybe a Koshi/Stutters? (probably stutters) Also, if we flip two goons, will you still think I'm scum?
Last part is easy: there is a green check on Cora so he is GF or town, not goon.
First part well: if Exar flips town then I will look a fool. The most likely scenario then is two from Koshi/JAT/FT/Stutters/Oats. I am not sure which two, at the moment.
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On August 03 2013 07:41 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:38 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 07:33 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 03 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote:On August 03 2013 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Without doubt I am going to get lynched this game at some point. First time for everything! Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall! They will concede before you are lynched. hz, all these leaps you're making to somehow paint me scum. Remember the time when you asked me why I was so town? Those were good times man. Can we go back to those? At the very least can we lynch two scum before me? Sure. We lynch Exar. If he flips scum then we lynch Cora. If he flips Godfather then we lynch you. Deal? I agree to two thirds of this plan. Let's talk about exar flipping town, who do you wanna lynch then? Still CJS or maybe a Koshi/Stutters? (probably stutters) Also, if we flip two goons, will you still think I'm scum? Last part is easy: there is a green check on Cora so he is GF or town, not goon. First part well: if Exar flips town then I will look a fool. The most likely scenario then is two from Koshi/JAT/FT/Stutters/Oats. I am not sure which two, at the moment. I haven't done any in depth analysis stuff today, but are you saying that for xrz to be scum, cjs has to be GF? We're also saying it's unlikely that scum has a roleblocker and a GF? If that's the case xrz isn't scum.
No, I am not saying that. Exar can be scum without CJS being scum. I do not think it likely, though.
Honestly Clarity, it is not me that you need to persuade, but other people. I really want to lynch Exar today and if he flips red then I will want to lynch Cora. I am unlikely to change my mind on that.
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On August 03 2013 07:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like, xrz is scum leads to cjs being scum? yes/no?
No. xrz being scum makes it much more likely that cjs is scum. xrs being town makes it much more likely that cjs is town.
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