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On July 27 2013 20:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Are you feeling attacked?
My above post did not include a direct answer to this. The direct answer is:
Slightly, but not enough to make me worry. Since I became active in the game almost everyone who has posted has directed multiple questions straight at me, but I quite like that.
In every game I have played so far people have thought I was scum in the first half of day 1 (regardless of my real alignment). It is a good thing to be attacked at this point as it provides an easy way for me to post openly if I am scum, or it provides a way for me to get reads on my attackers if I am town.
I assume that you ask if I am being attacked because you suspect that I might be scum who is scared of being caught. The truth is that would not be the case if I were scum as I like to be in the middle of things as either alignment.
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On July 27 2013 21:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
You're saying that if I had replied to your post in a seperate post, and then posted the case afterwards, that completely changes everything?
You're saying that I, as scum, replied to you in the same post as my case on tofu so that you, as town, would feel enticed to defend tofu? Which accomplishes what?
But then you're also saying that I, as scum, did that so that my case would be "less likely to attract votes"?
Please explain what the thing is that "makes me look scummy"
No. It would of changed everything if you had posted your reasons for thinking that Tofu is scum before you asked for other people's opinions. It is scummy to test the waters before you actually post a case.
Me defending Tofu makes it harder for town to get a read on Tofu based on his own defence. Therefore, when writing a case the ideal scenario is for the person to defend the case themselves before other people comment too much on it. In this case that was not possible due to time zones, but by discounting my reasons for thinking Tofu is town as you gave the reasons as to why Tofu is scum you made it more likely that I would defend Tofu. That is scummy.
On second thoughts, your case being less likely to attract votes is not a scum tell on you.
Why did you suggest a wagon on Tofu before you actually posted the reasons for it?
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On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote:Hey guys, just caught up. First impressions: I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this: Show nested quote +TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. So this is not serious at all? Show nested quote +
Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.
Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far. Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff).
One post doth not maketh a townie.
What do you think of Clarity's case on Tofu? Or the exchange between Clarity and myself?
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On July 27 2013 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh god hzflank, stop being so defensive, its annoying.
I think both of you are not talking about anything really.
Hzflank, how do you think you have played this game differently so far from the last newbie where you were scum?
The irony is that I cannot defend my being defensive without being defensive.
I am not sure how I have played this differently. It was really the second half of day 1 where I played like scum in that game (gently ensuring 2 town wagons and calling my scummy buddy scum after those 2 wagons had formed). I think that in my last newbie game I was more subtle because I setup a day 1 target who did not respond much to me. This game I have had a long exchange with a single player which is more beneficial to town than to scum.
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Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first.
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By wagon I mean pressure with multiple votes.
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On July 27 2013 21:28 Clarity_nl wrote:
Give our exchange a good long read, think it through, and tell me if you think I'm scum or town, because you've implied both.
I'll be honest with you, during our exchange I never meant to imply that you were town.
Having read over it a few times I am not as confident in your alignment as I would like to be after such an exchange. However, a lot of the reasoning I might have for you being scum is based on far too many assumptions. Also, I think we got off on the wrong foot when I said that your vote was a joke and you said that 7 minutes was not long enough for me to reply.
The best place I can get to is that I do not want to lynch you right now. I think that there is more chance of you flipping town than scum. Additionally, if you did flip town at this point I do not think it would provide any useful associations.
After rereading your case on Tofu I did not like the top half but the bottom half contained some good points. I still do not think that Tofu is scum, though. His filter looks town to me and having played with Tofu before he is posting in a way that I would expect from him.
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On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here.
How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum?
You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum.
Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad.
Which of them is most likely to be scum?
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On July 27 2013 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here. FT's vote was probably a ploy to see what you would do, apparently it didnt work to well huh. If you push paperscrap, you are scum man. Why cant he joke around? Why does every post have to be useful?
Not every post has to be useful. Some posts have to be useful. If every post in a filter is useless then that person is scum.
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When Jack Sparrow votes it is so democratic that the mods fail to take notice of it.
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On July 27 2013 23:21 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 22:47 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 22:25 exarezee wrote:
I think paperscraps and firmtofu are a good 1,2 wagon combo for day 1.
I don't think both are scum, but I think its a high chance one of the two are. Really strange initial votes on me by both of them. I don't understand why I had to be voted because I didn't provide a reason for a tone read I made. Paperscrap's vote is even more bewildering because he states he was "joking in all his posts." So, if they were townies making these votes I would have to assume they are trying to see if anybody jumps on my bandwagon and gain some information from it....but then they really quickly unvote. Just really strange town play IMO. Really can't see this being done as a scum/scum combo. It draws a little too much attention. Again, could be town/town, but I think its really likely a scum/town combo here. How is that post in any way more useful to town than to scum? You think that Paper and Tofu should be the two lynch candidates but do not state which of them is most likely to be scum. If they are both town then having them be the primary lynch candidates would be great for scum. If one of them is actually scum then you posting that without saying which one you think is scum is really not useful, as if one of them flips town you are in a position where you should assume that the other is scum, which give you a really easy excuse to vote for them if you are in fact scum. Basically, telling us which single person you want to lynch is good. Telling us that you want the votes to be between two specific people is really bad. Which of them is most likely to be scum? It's a useful post for those who think I'm town and several people do. it's also useful to have a nice concise argument that one of those two is scum for if/when i die and turn up town.
But which of them do you think is most likely scum?
If I were scum I would love to see a town post that he would like the vote to be between a specific two people. So to me either your post was more useful to scum than to town, or you are scum. I am leaning towards the former, so please answer the question.
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On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.
I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.
Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum.
Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed.
If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time.
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On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote:
I forgot to address your other point hzflank.
I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.
Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum. Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed. If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time. You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1?
I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town.
Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town.
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On July 28 2013 00:12 exarezee wrote:
Let's look at their summarized sequence of interactions with me and assume they are both town. If you can explain to me their logic in this bizarre sequence, i will acquiesce.
Tofu attacks me about the lurker talk.
I give a scum lean on papers.
Tofu votes me because I did not provide a reason for my scum lean on papers.
Papers comes back to thread and drops a vote on me. No reason is given.
I provide my reason on papers.
Tofu unvotes me and casts suspicion on papers now.
Papers unvotes me.
Papers plays off his posts as jokes.
They wanted to apply some pressure in an attempt to get a read?
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On July 28 2013 00:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
no way paper is mafia with how many people suspect him. Tofu is possible given his play in this game so far but gots to see more. Don't give a shit about day 1 usually anyway lalala
How does multiple people suspecting someone make that person town?
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On July 28 2013 00:31 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 00:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On July 28 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 28 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vayne, try a bit please.
what do you think of justanothertownie? pretty useless I guess? Vig him if we have one. Don't waste a lynch on him. Would you mind telling us who you think is scum? Not quite yet. There's no reason to tell, only reason to show in this game as town. No reason to let yourself be manipulated by scum. I only do lists when I think I am about to die at night.
No one asked for a list. A name and a reason would be good enough.
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On July 28 2013 00:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
The only time town ever lynches scum day 1 is when a scum truly, truly fucks up.
On July 28 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vayne, try a bit please.
what do you think of justanothertownie? pretty useless I guess? Vig him if we have one. Don't waste a lynch on him.
Why do you think that the information gained from lynching JAT would be worth less than the information gained from lynching someone else?
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On July 28 2013 00:42 VayneAuthority wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.tehcute.com/pics/201305/oh-pig-you-re-the-best-spot-.jpg) oh how delightful.
Just because a man has two chicks that does not make him a pig.
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Oats, they have already posted that. Clarity thinks that Tofu is scum and CJS thinks that Oats is scum.
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On July 28 2013 01:12 Koshi wrote:
Townreads
Paperscraps
FirmTofu
Oatsmaster
People I don't want to lynch day 1 reads
exarezee
Vivax
Clarity_nl
hzflank
So who do you want to lynch?
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