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Vivax
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On July 29 2013 00:49 justanothertownie wrote: So Paper only giving town reads is townie to you? That's some unusual logic. Is it so unusual that you find it scummy?i'm curious to see you get into the spotlight, and not shout from the sidelines. If you think paperscraps or me are scum, then i'm all ears, cause your post suggests that exactly. | ||
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I'll review all my rather hasty reads and give you my conclusions on mz, JAT and PS. | ||
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I did start to prepare a case on Oats yesterday but I cancelled it shortly after starting. As I was writing it I became less sure that Oats was scum and I did not want to post a case that I did not believe in myself. That is fairly normal for me as I seem to be good at convincing myself that someone is not scum. | ||
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On July 29 2013 01:12 Clarity_nl wrote: Still have no idea who you mean when you say mz HZ. Got it kinda confused with MeapakZiph. | ||
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Time runs out, and if his post of reads isn't massive & impressive I'll want him hanged. | ||
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Among his reads there's this: On July 28 2013 10:24 Paperscraps wrote: I have finally caught up! I wrote down some reads as I was catching up. First off I need to say some stuff about my play early on. I get why people would find me scummy so far, tone and sarcasm are hard to convey in text. This is why I will play a more standard game from now on. It isn't helping people find scum, if they are looking at me for joking and being sarcastic and not understanding that is all it is. hzflank leaning town - The more and more I read hz, the more I begin to like him. Not afraid to be abrasive and stand his ground. exarezee null - The argument of either Tofu or I having to be scum strikes me as odd. I don't see any interactions between FT and I, that would merit this stance. I would like a more in-depth analysis of this pairing. One thing that bugs me about exarezee is that he has reacted in a "noob" fashion to the two early votes on him. With his 100+ games played on the poker forums, which I have no reason to doubt, I just can't see why he would react so defensively. I am probably over thinking my read on exarezee, but I don't see him flipping scum at the moment, due his push on me which holds no substance and his reaction. Oats leaning town - I am really hoping Oats is town, his reads and post so far have been great. His comprehension of what is going on is probably the best so far. Clarity leaning town - Nothing really to elaborate on Clarity so far, I doubt most of the players would disagree. One great interaction I found so far was this. This interaction seems genuine. If either of hzflank or exarezee were scum, I would say the other isn't. CapJackSparrow null - I totally dig his RP gimmick so far and I am biased toward him in a good way. I want to say I lean town on him, but I would hold judgement on his alignment for now. Tofu null - I don't think his push on exarezee is the best. It seems to be grasping. The thing with making cases in general is you can always twist and skew people's filter to whatever you think is right. Initially I leaned town on FT, but after his case I retract that some what. Vayne leaning town - not sure what to think of vayne as of yet, he comes in every so often and drops some knowledge. I think his vote on clarity is pretty bad though. His filter strikes me as town though. Koshi leaning town - Koshi is a odd ball so far. I like that he town reads me, haha. I mostly agree with the lists he has made so far. I am going to read some filters more in-depth and meditate on what I have come up with so far. I don't have a strong scum read at the moment. Also I realize I haven't commented on some people who have posted, the reads above were what stuck out to me most on my initial read through. This is the stuff Oats said before: July 28 2013 02:06 Possibly vivax. One of these dudes is almost surely scum though. Rayn, stutters, Malongo, Vivax. Actually can everyone give their views on Hzflank? I feel that his first post is really bad. July 28 2013 02:13. So anyway about Vayne, he is playing this game totally different from his sole scumgame on site, serious play there, got into a egobitch fight with marv and yeah. None of that here. At all. Meta says he aint scum. Of course, he might just be really good and faking the bullshit but I dont see why he needs to raw attention to himself when he can play perfectly competent town when he rolls scum. July 28 2013 03:14. hey tofu wanna lynch justanothertownie? Why/why not? Read your case, if Im not wrong, it is basically stuff surrounding paperscraps and his 2 wagon shit right? I dunno man, its a lotta conspiracy theory based on scum setting up wagons and leaving himself outs. From what Ive seen, scum dont really leave themself outs. I dunno, your logic is fine, but I feel that exarezee has been posting really clearly and I can see his thought process and all that townie shit. Also not a good idea to kill active poster day 1. If you compare them with PS' post, it doesn't really show the type of match that you would expect for a guy to go all like "WOW OATS WTF SUCH SICK READS MUST BE TOWN" . Rayn, stutters, me , malongo all appear among Oats' reads, but PS doesn't even mention them in his post. I want to see what Ps has to say to this. | ||
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On July 29 2013 01:53 Stutters695 wrote: First is Vivax: It's really interesting to me he's so gung ho on lynching me for inactivity when, of anyone in this game, he would know my activity isn't a tell of my alignment at all. I play when I'm at work/have free time I'm not spending with my girlfriend. That's a constant as scum or town. He attacked me for a single post, before I've really even started playing when a quick one liner is literally my only course of generating discussion when all I have time to do is drop a phone post. He also put the accusation on the back burner to endorse the lynch of another coinflip in Vayne avoiding discussing the actual happenings of the thread. That's off of what I'd expect from Vivax. He usually has a mix of good reads with bad but as a constant he's stubborn and pushes them. I don't see that here. His reason for lynching Hz is practically identical to his reason for lynching me and he still isn't showing the original thoughts I expect from him. Food for thought(i wouldn't bar lynching him off of this but it's interesting ): last two times he's played as scum in a game I've been in he's attempted to lynch me (YANMM & Roulette) as an easy mislynch due to my usually scummy nature. First time he got lynched over me, second time he backed off the read in a fashion very similar to how he backed off of Hz . I don't think he's a d1 lynch right now but if he doesn't start showing up in a meaningful way I'd definitely lynch him. Things like So basically you don't have a stance on it? can be considered generating discussion in your opinion? Especially, PS said something very similar to what I said in that post, and you chose to attack him but not me, I discussed this with hz. I don't know where you got the notion I bolded, can you walk me through it? What constitutes original thought to you? Do you think I'm recycling other people's opinions? | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Fuck this game. On July 29 2013 00:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster I give up. I don't want to play this game anymore. Autotownread for this, I just don't see scum being such a douche to do this to themselves and their team. But usually shit like this constitutes playing against wincon. | ||
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On July 29 2013 02:21 Clarity_nl wrote: If he's town it's playing against his wincon as well, your logic makes no sense. And yet it's right, I've never seen a player ragequit and flip scum, when the players committment towards his own yh 1 | ||
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Anyway, I won't touch Cora for sure, I think the probable ragequit makes him town. Townies tend to be more egoistical. Stutters, i disagreed cause you reduced my reasons to that single post when they are mroe complex than that. It's true that I found it suspicious that you two went selective on me and paper (which is a fact cause we said the same thing but you only suspected him), but applying that statement to the current situation just isn't right, aside from the fact that I'm currently leaning town on HZ for that part about his Oats post. If he's scum he's a pro actor. So let me recap: You threw shit in from the sidelines, you show really low activity, and you applied your reasoning to PS but not to me. HZ did the same selective thing, but he also tunneled PS in a way I found suspicious cause he tends to interpret what he gets about him in the worst way possible, and replied in your favour when I suspected you, which I found odd at such an early stage. If I get it right, I'm your scumread yes? Then I'm sure you're going to find plenty of reasons for that argument in my filter, I'm eager to hear your case for me being scum. You can claim being busy all you want, I'm also busy every time I roll scum. Looking forward to hear your opinions on other players as well, not just the guy who suspects you. | ||
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On July 29 2013 02:35 FirmTofu wrote: Sorry I lynched you in Bluelightz... Hey guys, I'm just about caught up. I find it extremely suspicious that Vivax has not read/answered my questions about him. Vivax, any reason you've been avoiding me? Yes, I'm human, I'm not at home, I can also be lazy, and I focused on my scumreads. Is anyone who didn't post anything about you scum now? | ||
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Hey guys, I'm just about caught up. I find it extremely suspicious that Vivax has not read/answered my questions about him. Vivax, any reason you've been avoiding me? So you think what I do is extremely suspicious but I didn't say you were scum, not sure how you jumped to that conclusion I'll answer your questions, but explain me this one in the meantime. | ||
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This is so off...isn't it? He just said "fuck lurker lynches", but then votes a lurker. What? Either way, this could just be a pressure vote, working as more bait. This is getting into semantics on what constitutes a lurker, but I voted stutters cause he posted a loaded question that was in no way useful for finding scum, and then fucked off. Now he claimed being busy, but I voted him cause I found that part scummy, not cause of some category I put him into. Bolded relevant. He's flip-flopping on his stance on lurkers again. Is Day 1 a crapshoot or not, Vivax? Should we be lynching scum or lurkers, Vivax? Can you please be more clear as to where you stand on this issue? I think we should lynch lurkers, not scum. Hope this illustrates the value of your question. | ||
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But I think I'll read his whole filter first. | ||
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In the context of Tofu pushing XRZ it might actually have some value in giving him a townread, it simply fits with the timing where he votes and pushes him, so I think it could actually be a good town indicator. If it were some random zomg scumslip with no context I'd treat it as null, but in this case it's a fine towntell. | ||
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@Tofu I don't get what's hard to follow. I say what I find scummy about whom, and I want to lynch people who exclusively post bullshit and sows with ducklings, and people who don't post jack, especially D1 should be used to do the latter. I don't have an internal switch lurker lynch/scum lynch, I have a "get rid of liabilities and lynch scummy people" mindset, that's all. If I switch target frequently it's cause I adapt. | ||
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On July 29 2013 03:17 exarezee wrote: Let's assume you are scum and have labeled someone else scum and do a filter of their posts. You find a post by theirs that you think is really bad and will lend support to your cause. Would you not be excited? There's the other side of the medal, you already know the other guy is town and will elaborate that post according to that mindset, not believe he's scumslipping. But yeah, I see where you're coming from. I use these little things in getting townreads, but ultimately one has to judge the overall picture. You want to lynch FT quite badly I take? | ||
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On July 29 2013 03:50 hzflank wrote: I don't know what to do with Koshi at this point. I cannot push him because he is convinced that I am scum and is just avoiding my questions. Unless someone else can get something good out of Koshi then I am going to have to assume that he is scum. Can someone else try, please? I have that feeling he was mimicking my own targets, and he doesn't really push anything, more like constantly communicating who he would lynch. I don't like his style of play as opposed to the last game I was in with him. But I really like the chap and hence will give him some extra leeway, only day 1 though, koshibro, please show some more ambition D2 :>. I'd like to see more from stutters than just stuff about me. Gonna sift through PS and JAT again after dinner. | ||
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