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On August 07 2013 04:57 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 04:54 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On August 07 2013 04:52 hzflank wrote:On August 07 2013 04:47 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Well you are saying your vote has been on Koshi but Rayn/Oats have changed their votes at least 5 times and it's scaring me haha Then I hope that you read everything that I have said about Oats. I have completely nailed him over the last 12 hours. You should either think that he is scum or that I am horribly wrong. I made this handy guide to reading Oats after tunneling him in a bajillion games in a row: If he cares about what's going on, he's scum If he doesn't care about what's going on, he's town Right now he's still under the second one. Sorry but that is not good enough. I want to win this game. I need more help.
That's totally good enough. That's why I've had a town read on him since the middle of Night 1. There are 3 people who have played way scummier than Oats: Koshi, JAT, and Stutters
You guys try to make association cases and I try to lynch off the scummiest players. My plan is to lynch Koshi, JAT, and then Stutters and get Town MVP because I carried the town on my back.
Then we can have cake and I promise you, it's not a lie.
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We have 5 on Koshi (Koshi can't vote for himself)
Koshi and Stutters haven't voted
Oats is acting like an idiot
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You guys have no right to be complaining. I've been trying to force my reads since D1 and none of you listened to me until now, and your shitty lynch choices D1 and D3 have put us way far behind the scum.
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On August 07 2013 05:15 hzflank wrote:
I cannot believe that you fail to push your reads and then blame other people when we lynch scum. Fuck.
I cannot believe that you blame anyone for lynching Exar after what he did.
I cannot fucking believe that you are refusing to read the game based on a meta read.
I have been harassed all fucking game for stupid reasons. There are several people who must be town who have not scum hunted. This is all bullshit.
I pushed my Oats read D1, I pushed my Malongo read D2, I've been pushing Koshi D3/D4.
I gave a scenario where Rayn and XRC are town but no one bought it. I defended XRC and refuted every argument against him but you all still voted for him.
I've been reading the game and I made a read on Oats. I'm probably right.
Yeah and I'm not one of them, so idk why you are yelling at me.
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Oh shit I forgot it was Bluelightz where you couldn't vote for yourself.
So we have 7 on Koshi.
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hz you're not getting modkilled vote Koshi
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On August 07 2013 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hosts can we get a votecount?
Koshi has 7
Stutters has 1 (Oats)
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Rayn. Really? You drunk again?
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Ok I must go now. Please lynch Koshi.
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On August 07 2013 08:44 Koshi wrote:
You can wait 15 mins? D:
I have work in 15 minutes so...=( I can't
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GG guys.
I'm going to go fish for compliments out of the obs QT to make myself feel better and then comment about the rest of the game.
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Ok so I'd like to think I played a good scum game. I was basically confirmed town by everyone at MYLO and basically forced my lynch through to win the game.
People I feel bad for:
Clarity- Literally the sole town player who established his townieness and was actually trying to win the game. Congrats to him. Shouldn't feel bad about this loss after all.
XRC- Not necessarily for his play (he did kind of swing the momentum in scum's favor), but for his mislynch. That lynch was absolutely crappy and should not have happened under any circumstances. It was so easy as scum to call that a bad lynch and get so much town cred.
hz- Kind of the same as Clarity, but didn't establish his townieness as much. Tried to get town focused come D4 but it was a bit too late by then.
Malongo- I'm really sorry I had to bus you Malongo, but it was way too easy to get towncred and you kind of gave up. You should've asked for more help in the scum QT and have been more active. Sorry =(
Everyone else
Rayn- I'm going to start with you Rayn. I will be brief, but your play screwed the town over, and if you weren't confirmed cop you would've been lynched for sure. I literally told you the scum's plan on D3:
On August 03 2013 01:46 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
You guys are silly.
Keep It Simple Stupid
Scum killed Vayne because he was either right or they wanted to paint his scumreads in red and make it look like they killed Vayne because he was on the right track.
Scum roleblocked XRZ and not Rayn because XRZ had so much more town cred and they knew Rayn was going to get a green check on Oats and still call him gf, allowing scum to refute Rayn's claim.
It's not truly simple, but it's a lot better than the giant ass spider web that Rayn is trying to create.
And you still did not believe me. That's how ridiculous your play was. You need to lighten up on the tunnels, especially when all I have to do is say "Let's lynch Koshi" and then have you make a post like this:
On August 06 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi:
D1:
- Has a FirmTofu as townread because "in every game FirmTofu is capable of looking scummy early on". This makes no sense because if he looks scummy as town, there is no guarantee he would look scummy as mafia too.
- Has Paperscraps as town read for no reason.
- For same reasons that makes FirmTofu town (meta), Koshi says there is no guarantee for vayne to be town. He even explains why the situation is 100% like with FirmTofu. There is a contradiction in his thinking toward vayne/FT. One of them can be town by meta and another one can´t.
- Koshi says he thinks hzflank is mafia for tunneling one dude for the entire day. The thing that makes hzflank mafia is that "mafia can hide behind tunneling so that they would not have to have reads on everyone". Koshi´s reads are at this point are "hzflank, gut-read leaning scum, everyone else null or town for no reasoning or bad reasoning (FT)". Another contradicting statement right there. He is playing just like he says scum would play.
- Another set of posts where he accuses hzflank of only pushing his own wagon and not trying to find other mafia dudes. He is doing exactly the same thing, but he isn´t even trying to push the hz lynch. To me when Koshi interacts with hz it looks like he is interacting with a townie rather than scum.
- After everything he consolidates on Paperscraps, his townread. He has not tried to push any other lynch, did not contribute towards any other wagons, was not pushing hz lynch at all. Basically did nothing to even try lynching mafia on D1.
N1:
- Koshi says Vivax´ vote switch is okay. I did not think that was okay at all unless he was pretty sure Paper was town. Koshi himself says " I knew he was town, and some others new he was town in the end. We didn't have the balls to remove our vote because we would get lynched by people like rayn". lol, at the end of the day HE WAS PUSHING PAPER LYNCH, HE WAS SURE PAPER WAS TOWN, HE DIDN´T HAVE BALLS TO NOT VOTE FOR HIS TOWNREAD!?!?!? Fear, insecurity, justification for a vote after townflip. Townies do not think like this.
- Says he will not be tunneling hzflank on D2, because he is ssure the guy is mafia. Makes sense? Does... not... want.. to.. do.. his.. best.. to.. lynch.. his.. scum.. read... right!
- "Clarity makes posts about everybody, goes in contact with everybody and is speaking his mind. You know that I like that. So Clarity is town. I expect him to create a lot of content Day 2 as well. I can reevaluate but he is town for me. " Clarity is town for exact same reasons why i am scum for Koshi. When i ask for him to elaborate, his answer is "it was a joke".
D2:
- On D2 start Koshi quotes his case on hzflank, some time later he votes for XRZ, no reasoning given. On N1 he said "XRZ fears no lynching from me".
- Suddenly Oats and XRZ are in his scumreads, read the last point, that was also what he said earlier regarding Oats.
- Adds Stutters in the scumlist because Stutters voted for Malongo when vayne´s check came out.
- Exactly 3 hours later Stutters is confirmed town..
- FirmTofu is confirmed town. When asked for reasoning he tells people to compare FT/XRZ filters. Noone even asked anything about XRZ?
- Adds JAT to his scumlist, for reasons that made him town earlier (being new, suddenly he is not new any more for some reason)?
- Says this about JAT: "There is also the fact you also pop up when you are attacked, but blend away when the heat is off you" and "Your scumhunting hasn't been too extensive so far.". I do not think this is true, i think this is extremely true if you compare this to Koshi´s play however.
- Again Stutters becomes mafia. Note that this read has changed three times for Koshi, and all the reasons for the read are from D1. Makes zero sense.
- Koshi tells me that he really needs a red flip on D2. After this he votes for JAT, givves no real reasoning nor follows the vote up on any way.
- After this changes his vote onto Stutters. Same resoning and follow up as above.
- After this he consolidates on to FirmTofu -> CJS -> FT (both are his town reads). Remember, he "badly needed a red flip!!!"
N2:
- Nothing much to say here, calls XRZ town.
D3:
- Sheeps me onto XRZ.
- "That combined with the fact hz and rayn are confirmed town and they want this lynch."
After that:
- I am pretty sure everyone remembers what Koshi has done after that.
Now how on earth does any of this stuff make sense??
I know how, Koshi is mafia!
Yeah. Please reevaluate your play before I have to policy shoot you as vig.
Oats- Start caring about the game. Like seriously.
Vayne- There's no use trying to justify your play. You were a detriment to the town and I really have no clue why we killed you. Someone else said you were on the right track and we killed you. Good thing it just made Rayn more confused.
Yeah I think scum played decently well and we got a bit lucky with some things but this was the worst town atmosphere I have ever seen. If I was town, I would've been so pissed (although I would've pushed for Malongo's, FT's, and Koshi's lynches because they all looked really scummy) as well.
Also: DO NOT MAKE ASSOCIATION CASES BEFORE THE LYNCH EVER
Thank you to the hosts and thank you to my teammates. GG
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Oh thanks for reminding me Clarity:
My ragequit wasn't staged. That post I made detailing my reasons for ragequitting was a legit post. I would never fake quit in that manner unless it was incited by a bad lynch or something (like what I did for XRC's lynch).
I don't know why you guys gave me towncred for it. It was really silly of you guys to think I was town.
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On August 07 2013 11:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Actually another thing about this was that I just finished a game where town lost cause association cases when it was like d1/n1 in this game. And the same shit was happening again. And I knew it wasnt gonna go well cause association cases suck.
Dude you lurked the entire game. You didn't even make a save in the first 2 nights like WTF?
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On August 07 2013 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well if Corazon is mafia the game was invalid.
What do you mean by this?
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On August 07 2013 11:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
but then again do you really want advice from some one that looked really scummy even with a green check? nah probably not loL
Fuck you Vayne. If people thought I was scummy they would've called me gf. You played like shit. Like the worst kind of shit. So don't give me that bullshit.
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On August 07 2013 11:39 hzflank wrote:
To be fair, how much did association cases affect it?
Exar was lynched for his fake-claim. You can call that a bad lynch but I never will. There is no good pro-town reason for making that fake-claim.
I made a bit of an association case against Koshi but that is not why he was lynched.
My case on Oats did not rely on association.
My case on Tofu did not rely on association.
The biggest association that I actually made that really hurt is was that Tofu and Stutters are not both scum.
Yeah but after you made the cases and basically condemned XRC to death you just went:
1/2/3/4 is mafia
It's a really bad way to go about things. You should be looking for ways you could possibly be wrong, which would have been plenty in XRC's case.
Like if you had spent your time finding reasons XRC could be town instead of saying "1/2/3/4 is mafia", you would not have voted for him.
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On August 07 2013 11:40 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 11:39 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On August 07 2013 11:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
but then again do you really want advice from some one that looked really scummy even with a green check? nah probably not loL Fuck you Vayne. If people thought I was scummy they would've called me gf. You played like shit. Like the worst kind of shit. So don't give me that bullshit. I don't think you read the obs ^_^ you seem bitter that you were so obvious, its kay. I'd be mad too if I had to stage a life meltdown to win as scum.
You are truly a terrible person Vayne. Truly terrible.
Read: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=423230
I didn't fake shit, asshole.
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On August 07 2013 11:43 s0Lstice wrote:
basically, any moments of clarity were just flat out buried in all the other garbage.
That's a pun that also proves a point. Well said.
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On August 07 2013 11:46 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2013 11:44 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On August 07 2013 11:40 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 07 2013 11:39 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:On August 07 2013 11:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
but then again do you really want advice from some one that looked really scummy even with a green check? nah probably not loL Fuck you Vayne. If people thought I was scummy they would've called me gf. You played like shit. Like the worst kind of shit. So don't give me that bullshit. I don't think you read the obs ^_^ you seem bitter that you were so obvious, its kay. I'd be mad too if I had to stage a life meltdown to win as scum. You are truly a terrible person Vayne. Truly terrible. Read: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=423230I didn't fake shit, asshole. People I feel bad for:yea and you wonder why you get no sympathy. rose-tinted glasses my friend....
I don't understand what you are saying...
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