EPTI also don't like the fact that Cora is ignoring the accusations on specific people (mainly FT) and accusing other people of same stuff (mainly Stutters) he should find suspicious of FT.
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I also don't like the fact that Cora is ignoring the accusations on specific people (mainly FT) and accusing other people of same stuff (mainly Stutters) he should find suspicious of FT. | ||
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On July 31 2013 08:05 FirmTofu wrote: Oh I will. I'm not done with your case yet. I deliberately didn't post my scum cases yet because I knew I wouldn't have enough time to address them fully before I left for the bus. Since everyone knows where I stand on my scum cases, I figured I'd post information I've gathered on everyone else first. Let me get this straight. You have had time to make town "cases" but not had time to make your scum cases? How is that... what... i don´t even... ASDJASJDASDAMSD rofl. just rofl. | ||
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On D2 you have: 1) Yelled how flank is scum but you don´t want to lynch him because you are bad and bla bla etc etc.. 2) Told people to vig you, and how you are bad 3) made some random cases on JAT/XRZ/Stutters. You don´t have a clear direction in your play. You are trying everything and try to see if something sticks. You are scum. Get lynched. | ||
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On July 31 2013 08:37 FirmTofu wrote: Learn to respect time constraints. Suppose I wrote up everything and prioritized my scum cases. I would have to struggle to respond to all of your posts defending yourself while I was on the bus. It just wouldn't be feasible. I do respect them. You are the one who should learn that. If you don´t have enough time the priority is: - Tell people why someone is mafia, and should be lynched. You are doing the opposite.. | ||
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Look at FT´s read on me, it´s: D1 - OMGUS N1 - "rayn raid Vivax might be scum, when stuff happened he said he is probably town" D2 - OMGUS You call that a good read? | ||
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On July 31 2013 21:18 Koshi wrote: The reason why this is so important that town knows that you are 100% town is the following: 1) If I get lynched today people will see me flip green, you will get a shitton of flak on you tomorrow and it doesn't look like you will be able to defend yourself from what I have seen. (you always defend yourself, but yours scumhunting is lacking and your defense currently as well.) If you flip town after I was lynched, town is fucked. 2) If you flip town today I will get a motherload of shit over me tomorrow. And frankly, I will get lynched and can't blame anybody. I will flip town then and town is fucked. Fact is that I, Koshi need a red flip today to make sure town has a chance to win. I think that I the highest chance on a scumflip is you are XRZ. So proof today that you are town, even if I get lynched today town will be able to use that defense to look elsewhere tomorrow. So you are using fear to make people not vote for their scumreads (in this case you)? That´s classic mafia play. "You will be lynched tomorrow when i flip green" - fucking retarded defense. | ||
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On July 31 2013 21:23 Koshi wrote: You and FT have a special bond. I would encourage you to look past all the things FT says about you and focus on his play not concerning yourself. FT needs to come through with 3 more cases of his scumreads, read them and base your suspicion on that. It sucks that FT thinks you are scum but the best advice I can give you is to look at FT his play besides that. No, the point is in his case he does not give a single reason that makes me scum!!! Also why does it suck to you that FT thinks i am scum? You seem to think that yourself. The wording you use is incredibly odd from town perspective. | ||
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Next JAT. | ||
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that vote is so bad, especially from a guy who has called XRZ town the whole game. | ||
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There are some posts that indicate he is town very much. Like him not reading the setup well enough (if he did, he would know roleblocking does not block vet status - and i think scum would know this, barring Malongo who can do/say whatever whenever). It´s incredibly hard to fake an argument about scum faking a rb on Clarity to block Vivax (vet) and shoot him if you actually know rb does not block vet. Leaning town on him. Next read is Oats, lately he has been able to fool me, and i don´t like that  | ||
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On July 31 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote: Rayn I really need a red flip now. For me, it is best to go and look around at JAT/XRZ. There is a possibility that we got to look at FT/Oats instead, but if they are scum. They tricked me. The 2 times I played with Oats he was the opposite as now. Scum in NWM where he was not this active softdefending Ace a bit but all in all a lurker. As town in sicilian he forgot to do night actions as a parity cop... FT is doing the same thing game after game and he is always town. He starts with 2-3 pretty controverse statements and then rolls from there. I think he did the same here, that with his vote behaviour/scumhunting early on made me think he looked really town this game. That´s one fucking weak meta-read and you are not even answering how his play looks in this game. You´re both scum. | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:17 Clarity_nl wrote: I just don't understand the quoted part of rayn at all, trying to. That is all If vayne was mafia fakeclaiming and someone actually shot Malongo, after the shot vayne can´t come in and say "i was just looking for reactions and that´s why i fakeclaimed" because he will get lynched if Malongo flipped green. He can´t possibly use that as a reasoning AFTER the vigi has already shot. If they are both mafia, there is no reason for vayne to fakeclaim a cop check on Malongo because if a vigi shoots him, they lose a member for no reason. That´s why vayne is town. On July 31 2013 23:01 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn you've been calling Oats town for most of the game, so obviously the thing you noticed happened recently. What was it? This is what i just realized: Recently Oats´ scumplay has looked more and more like his town play. There is however a slight difference. Town!Oats pushes his reads from the beginning and his tone is convincing. He always has scumreads and as i, he jumps on little things from the beginning of the game and doesn´t let go of his reads until something drastically changes. What does Oats do here. He hops on into the lurker lyunch discussion (which is totally uncharacteristic to his town play). He does not call people scum for anything, yet he questions them. As town Oats calls people scum for things and THEN questions them. There is a careful tone in his play, like there was in NWM (which i never realized until i was dead). For comparsion, look at his stance on Ace in NWM N1 and D2. On night 1 Oats understands clearly what i say about Ace and agrees with me (without saying it). On D2 when i am dead he does not tunnel Ace into oblivion (which he would have done as town), no, instead he fucking defends a nuke on Ace later on. For another comparsion, look at Catch 22 mafia where Oats was town. 24 into D1 they dude has called ~3/4 of the players scum and has a clear stance on who he does want to lynch. He is not careful with his comments at all and he is pushing who the fuck does he want to push. Same can be said about bluelightz game. Compare that behaviour into this game and NWM and you can surely see the difference in his play. His scumplay is far more "calculated" and "careful", but he is trying to hide it by posting in the same style as he does as town. With one liners and questions about what is going on in thread. The difference is that as mafia he does not reach to any conclusions. He also never tried to push JAT lynch on D1, that´s not what Oats does. Oats as town wants his target lynched and is very vocal about that, always! In addition to that on D2 he had Koshi as his top 1 scumread, he has "tunneled" Koshi for the whole D2, and suddenly now for no apparent reason he is voting for XRZ who was his townread earlier. Yet again, he had no intentions to convince anyone Koshi is scum, he has no intentions to convince anyone XRZ is scum. That´s what makes Oats mafia. We can kill Koshi later. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Why can´t you see he is town based purely on his claim? You are not this dumb, are you? | ||
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On August 01 2013 02:48 FirmTofu wrote: Since when does he think you guys are confirmed town? He's been flip-flopping on his reads every three pages. Just a few pages ago he was questioning Clarity. Before Day started, he had you as scum(my).We need to start holding him accountable for these drastic and completely unjustifiable read changes. Town rayn does not play this way. He is more methodical and you can clearly see his train of thought. Additionaly, you are considering hypotheticals that aren't necessarily particularly likely. What makes you think all of those people are town in the first place? It's a pretty huge leap of faith to take considering they haven't really been in the forefront of discussion until just recently. Fuck you! I have justified EVERY single read change of mine! EWvery single one, when asked! YOU HAVE NOT! ##Unvote: ##Vote: FirmTofu I am NOT going to change my vote off this mafia member any more. This bullshit has gone so fucking far it´s not funny anymore. Can the town member pease look about this game FOR A FUCKING SECOND objectively and vote for scum??? Cora, Oats plays not like in bluelightz mafia, he plays like in NWM. You are probably scum because you didn´t even read my case apparently. Seriously, wtf is with this town? Everybody is just fucking hopping around talking about some stupid claims and not having a clear stance. The fucking discussion has been going on about the claims FOR A FUCKING DAY and ~8 people can´t decide what to think of them?!?!?!? Get your fucking heads out of your asses and talk about something relevant instead! | ||
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On August 01 2013 03:23 exarezee wrote: can we please just all get on malongo please. i don't want the risk of anything stupid happening. I won't be here on computer at end of day. I will be on phone to try to prevent something stupid happening, but that's about it. I don´t fucking care because we are going to lose this game anyways. People who are actually really scummy are FT, Cora, Oats and Koshi but everyone but Stutters is refusing to even look at what´s been said about them. I can´t convince people about anything because people are not even willing to understand anything. Like it took a fucking 30 hours for people to understand what i said about vayne/Clarity/hzflank. As simple things like this take this long there is no hope for the town. | ||
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Do i need to tell you again why this is so very wrong target? Is there anyone who can think with their own brain? | ||
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