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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 19:23 GMT
#2022
There is lots to talk about...we just have to find it first. if you have not done so yet read pages 77-80 a few times.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 19:28 GMT
#2027
Koshi has to be scum at this point. It was bad enough on day 1 when he just refused to talk to me. Now he refuses to talk to anyone who he 'thinks is scum'. I think that what Koshi is really doing is refusing to talk to people who are trying to scum-hunt on him.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 19:30 GMT
#2029
Why does Koshi scum = Mal scum?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 19:33 GMT
#2032
I'll throw something new into the pot:

I thought that Rayn's big post against Tofu was forced.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720&currentpage=98#1948

I am not sure why yet. It could be that Rayn is scum, but it is odd that scum Rayn needs to force that on Tofu at this point. If could be that Rayn is so convinced that Tofu is scum that he is not looking at it clearly, or at least that he is not seeing it the same way that I see it.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 19:51 GMT
#2038
On Cora:

I disagree with all of his game theory stuff, and therefore certainly do not like that he uses it to attack people. The combination of these two quotes is bad (they are from the same post):

On July 29 2013 15:56 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
If Rayn thought Paperscraps was town (or at least 95% town, coming from that post), he should not have voted for Paperscraps. Why is a no-lynch better than lynching a townie?


On July 29 2013 15:56 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
The same goes for Vivax and his voteswitch timing. He was the last vote off of the Paperscraps wagon and onto the FirmTofu wagon.


Cora basically argues with himself in this post:

On July 29 2013 23:12 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Vivax, I love how you are trying to call every single thing terrible about Paper's lynch, yet you voted for him right at the deadline in the interest of "consolidation", before switching back to FirmTofu.

To everyone who wants to answer:
Is a no lynch better than a mislynch? Is it scummy to vote for someone you don't think is scum, only in the interest of getting a lynch?

I would tend to think that voting for people I have town reads on is a pretty stupid idea, and is scum-motivated because they just want the lynch.

Also @Oats:
If you had been at the deadline, who would you have voted for and why?



Everything Cora says about voting or not voting for your scum read is nonsense because he contradicts himself.

I like the fact that Cora thinks that people who do not scum-hunt are scum, ofcourse.

It's hard to reach a conclusion at the moment. I really wish Cora would spend some time and do some more scum-hunting. There are some very simple associations to make when we see other flips though, as one way or the other Cora has plauyed a very simple game.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 19:57 GMT
#2041
What I don't like is he calls some people scum for voting for a town-read to secure a lynch, and he calls Vivax scum because he did that but suddenly moved his vote in an attempt to cause a no lynch. It makes no sense to call both Vivax and Rayn scum for that because Vivax and Rayn did opposite things.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 20:00 GMT
#2043
On July 31 2013 04:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 04:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Hey, Vayne... maybe you want to give a more detailed reasoning for why you think my play is weird and I therefore have to be scum? Also you could give us some reads apart from me. You don't want to look scummy do you?
On July 28 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 28 2013 14:06 exarezee wrote:
I'm tunneling? What do I not see clearly?

Please point out flaws in my logical reasoning. Where do I make a bad logical mistake to imply I am not a townsperson trying to solve the case.


I'm not saying your case is bad or anything, but rather discussing the length as to which you keep drilling into it. There's quite a few other people in this game. Tunneling is an easy way to get by as scum without revealing too much about yourself. I do it all the time.




Of course I want to look scummy. If this gets anywhere close to endgame I always solve the game in the end. (besides i swear this is normal mafia, which was a disaster)

It wasn't your actions actually, but everyone else. The pressure disappeared so quickly once people started arguing about other stuff that you got swept under the rug.


Great. I'll probably be around towards the end-game with you, right? It's not likely that I am going to be shot any time soon. How about you start communicating with everyone and actually playing the game or I might just decide that you are scum at the LYLO.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 13:17 GMT
#2161
On July 31 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, Koshi was your top scumread. What made you change your mind on him? Or if you did not change your mind, why the fuck are you voting for a target of your scumread?


You should ask that question both ways. Oats was also Koshi's top scum read and it was not greatly followed up.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 13:38 GMT
#2163
On July 31 2013 22:24 Koshi wrote:
What do you think of a JAT or XRZ lynch today hzflank?


Don't know yet, I have been lazy for the last 12 hours and have a lot of grunt work to do before I can get into it. I'll tell you in a few hours.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 14:10 GMT
#2175
I would not call any of those Oats quotes evidence of good scum-hunting. A couple of them could be taken as scum-hunting or also as target-hunting. In fact, I would say Oats' scum-hunting method has been tot town-hunt and then find scum by process of elimination.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 14:12 GMT
#2176
On July 31 2013 23:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also, can we go back to this?
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 31 2013 00:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
How is vayne a confirmed liar if malongo flips green? It was a fakeclaim. Can everyone slow down and try to THINK.
Does it make more sense for malongo to think vayne is blue if pms are enabled, if he is scum or town?

Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim".
I don´t wanna go to this PM shit because there are no PM´s and Malongo should know that.


If malongo flips green, how does that make vayne a confirmed liar?
Show nested quote +
Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim".

What? Doesn't that confirm that it was a fakeclaim?


Mal thought that Vayne was PMed by a fake-cop.

Shoot Mal > Flips green
Vaybe says: Player X PMed me with the red check, lynch player X
Town lynches player X who flips red
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 14:13 GMT
#2177
Sorry Clarity, I think I misread that. Are you questioning why Rayn is not on the same page as you and I?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 14:19 GMT
#2181
Because at the time Of Mal's original post we did not know that it was a fake-claim. Imagine it happening in this order:

Vayne claims guilty check on Mal
Vig shoots Mal and he flips green
Vayne: "lol guys, I was joking about being a cop"

Vayne is going to be lynched.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 14:22 GMT
#2182
On July 31 2013 23:15 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 23:10 hzflank wrote:
I would not call any of those Oats quotes evidence of good scum-hunting. A couple of them could be taken as scum-hunting or also as target-hunting. In fact, I would say Oats' scum-hunting method has been tot town-hunt and then find scum by process of elimination.

Can't disagree if you put it like that. lol

But his recent vote of me indicates he is consistent. Unlike XRZ who has litteraly suspected everybody a little bit but never pushed through except on FT, and fuck me sideways but I call FT town.


Oats does not currently have his vote on you. In fact you could say that Oats removed his vote from you when the pressure (on you) was not subsiding.

Who has Oats pushed this game? He made an early D1 case on JAT, switched his vote to FT and back to JAT. He was sure that PS was town and told us not to lynch him, but Oats did not actually push his case on JAT. He never really tried to get JAT lynched.

And now on day 2, who is Oats actually trying to get lynched? I do not know because he is not pushing hard at all.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 15:20 GMT
#2205
Vayne,

When did you decide to make that fake cop claim? Before or after the Day 2 post?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 15:23 GMT
#2206
Also Vayne, did you believe this when you made the claim?

On July 30 2013 09:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
miller is always a possibility
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 15:25 GMT
#2210
I think you are all missing something regarding the fake cop claim but I am going to be a bastard and not tell you what it is today. If Vayne answers my above questions then I can decide for sure whether I think he is scum or town.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 15:34 GMT
#2212
So what happens if:

VT-Vayne claims cop with a guilty check on Malongo.
Vig says: "Should I shoot Mal or Vaybe?"
Real-Cop says: Well I am real cop so you should shoot Vayne

Vig shoots VT-Vayne
N2 Scum NK real cop
N3 scum NK confirmed town expired Vig

That's a really really bad fake-cop claim to make as a VT. See, I thought that Vayne made the claim because he was the real cop who checked me and got green. As real cop Vayne did not have to worry about a counter-claim. But you would think that a real cop would check the setup for a Framer before picking his N1 target. What's the chance of the real cop not checking for Miller when he checks for Framer?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 15:38 GMT
#2216
On August 01 2013 00:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
way to bluehunt as town, bro


You wanted to lynch him. Now you do not have to because if he is town he gets Night-killed anyway.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 31 2013 15:54 GMT
#2219
On August 01 2013 00:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
and yeah okay vayne is likely town, and I'm really pissed off about that. Even if he is somehow scum I have issues with his play this game

##Unvote


I did not prove that Vayne is town btw. If Vayne had known that there was no Miller then I would never of posted that. What I proved is that the fake cop claim is actually more risky as a VT than as scum.
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