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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 15:46 GMT
#1860
You guys are going to hate me for this but I think Koshi is currently more like to be scum than Malongo.

I am not saying that Malongo is town, but I think there is a higher chance of that than of Koshi being town.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 15:48 GMT
#1861
On July 31 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 00:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
How is vayne a confirmed liar if malongo flips green? It was a fakeclaim. Can everyone slow down and try to THINK.
Does it make more sense for malongo to think vayne is blue if pms are enabled, if he is scum or town?

Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim".
I don´t wanna go to this PM shit because there are no PM´s and Malongo should know that.


I am afraid that you sometimes have to try to put yourself in Malongo's head. I am struggling to believe him, but it is possible.

And we do not seem to have a Vig
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 15:57 GMT
#1878
On July 31 2013 00:53 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
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On July 31 2013 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
CORA HAS THE SAME READS AS ME.

wait thats weird.
weird.


OATS

Maybe when we are not at each other's throats, we are the same deep down inside.


On July 31 2013 00:53 Stutters695 wrote:
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On July 31 2013 00:48 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
I really do not understand why JAT and FT were getting votes. We need to lynch Malongo, Koshi, or Stutters today. Lynching anyone outside of that circle is a pretty stupid idea.

Still riding my dick?


Stutters has two dicks?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 15:59 GMT
#1885
On July 31 2013 00:57 Koshi wrote:
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On July 31 2013 00:55 exarezee wrote:
PUSHING HARD TO NOT LYNCH A TOWN DOES NOT MAKE YOU TOWN. I can't believe people actually try to make that stupid fucking argument. It actually makes you look scum.

I was pushing my scumread. I was not trying that much to not lynch Paper. I did say paper was town in my book.

Also Mr. XRZ. What is your read on hz atm?


If you were pushing your scum read on me so hard...

Why did you leave it so late in the day and only push when prompted to? The left it so late that you did noy even have a chance to push me properly. Yet you claim that you wanted me to be lynched.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 16:04 GMT
#1891
On July 31 2013 01:00 exarezee wrote:
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On July 31 2013 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lolol. His post is basically a copy - paste from HZ´s . :;DDDD


yea that's why i said to ignore my last post when i realized it was a copy paste. can you please tell me what your read on me is at the moment and a little reasoning. It will help a lot in me getting a read on you.


I would not worry about getting a read on Rayn. If I am reading the game correctly (Which I probably am not) then...

If we mislynch today then we need a cop check on Rayn night 2. A guilty check on Rayn means Vayne is likely GF. If we mislynch and Rayn goes unchecked then he just flat out wins if he is scum.

But lets worry about todays lynch first. We might lynch scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 16:13 GMT
#1899
On July 31 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
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If we mislynch today then we need a cop check on Rayn night 2. A guilty check on Rayn means Vayne is likely GF. If we mislynch and Rayn goes unchecked then he just flat out wins if he is scum.

Pulled these associations out of your hat?
Where did it come from man.


This has all basically been said previously when Clarity and I were thinking about it last night.

The actions of Rayn and Vayne around the fake cop check lead me to believe that they are likely the same alignment. Vayne should not of pulled that stunt as scum unless he is the GF.

If we mislynch today then we are at MYLO. There is almost no chance of securing a lynch on Rayn or Vayne day 3. We would need to make sure to hit one of the other two scum while they have 4 players to work against us, and some of their players are generally thought to be town.

I do not think that Rayn is scum. I say to cop check him as a precaution if needed just so that we do not get into a position where it is really easy for scum to win.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 16:34 GMT
#1914
On July 31 2013 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On July 31 2013 01:13 hzflank wrote:

The actions of Rayn and Vayne around the fake cop check lead me to believe that they are likely the same alignment. Vayne should not of pulled that stunt as scum unless he is the GF.

Whats the difference between scum town and town town?


Rayn never questioned Vayne motivations at all. When everyone else was trying to work out if Vayne was cop or scum, Rayn and Vayne were both trying to work out which third parties were scum based on their responses. They both jumped on JAT at the same time for the same reason.

Basically, Rayn and Vayne were completely on the same page about everything. They were even on a similar page about Clarity's RB claim. I do not think that Rayn is scum but Vayne is town.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 16:42 GMT
#1922
And so we end up at:

If we mislynch today then we need to cop check Rayn.

Which is where I started
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 17:46 GMT
#1943
Meh, maybe a scum slip and maybe not. Sometimes people word things little oddly. In fact, I am much more carefree with how I phrase things if I am town. We are not ignoring him, but Koshi and Mal look so bad right now.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 18:02 GMT
#1961
On July 31 2013 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:
I really would like some opinions on my scum roleblocking and shooting vivax idea. If I'm overlooking facts it would be a waste of time looking into clarity now but if there's a good chance that this happened then I'm suspicious of him.


Hmm. I do not think so. That's the exact play that I used as scum (because my teammates would not let me change it to better nigh actions) and it turned out pretty bad. I think scum aimed the RB at who they thought was either doctor or cop.

We can read into it a bit better than that though:

If they were aiming for doctor then they aimed for the person who "If he is Doc he will target Vivax".

If they were aiming for Cop then they aimed for the person who: "If he is Cop then he is the most likely to target one of us who is not the GF".

The perfect RB target would of been a mixture of both of those.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 18:20 GMT
#1977
Figured it out I think.

He was RBed because in his game when a doctor saves someone both parties are notified by pm. Scum could not possily aim for Vivax without RBing Clarity, because if Clarity was Doc he was always going to target Vivax. If Vivax had pushed Clarity too hard on day 2 then Clarity could of dropped a breadcrumb to let him know that he saved him.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 18:34 GMT
#1987
Also, if some or all of Koshi / Mal / JAT are town then they were probably just going to spend 48 hours tunneling me and being useless. To be honest it would of been tiring for me and seriously interrupted my scum-hunting. Hopefully now you three will actually scum hunt elsewhere (Hint: Not me or Clarity)
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 18:42 GMT
#1989
Rayn, lets go on a quick trip through my strange brain...

Do you think that JAT is a smurf? Or do you think that this is his first game?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 18:43 GMT
#1990
EBWOP: also, did you still that that at the start of D2? Or has it changed since then?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 18:53 GMT
#1994
On July 31 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 03:42 hzflank wrote:
Rayn, lets go on a quick trip through my strange brain...

Do you think that JAT is a smurf? Or do you think that this is his first game?

I think i have been pretty clear throughout the game that i believe this is his first game.


So JAT posts this:

On July 30 2013 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok. Still the most likely scumteam for me is now (if this check is for real):
hzflank, FirmTofu, Malongo + maybe rayn or oats.
Details tomorrow.


And you follow up with these:

On July 30 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also JAT is scum. Based purely on his last post-


On July 30 2013 09:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Clarity and FT.


You think that JAT is as first-timer who is scum. JAT posts his scum reads which includes FT who he never previously mentioned as well as Malongo who there was seemingly a guilty check on.

If JAT was a first-timer playing scum then he is not going to post 2 of his buddies out of the blue in a list like that. Therefore, upon proper analysis of that you should not of thought that both JAT and FT were scum.

Now I am not calling you (Rayn) scum for this because you posted quickly without proper analysis and I missed it too at the time. But if JAT is a first-timer then JAT, FT and Mal are unlikely to all be scum.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 18:54 GMT
#1995
On July 31 2013 03:44 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2013 03:42 hzflank wrote:
Rayn, lets go on a quick trip through my strange brain...

Do you think that JAT is a smurf? Or do you think that this is his first game?

Seriously?...


That was a setup question which had a purpose, as you may now see.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 19:00 GMT
#2001
On July 31 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also did not understand why did he assume the check is not real unless he knows Malongo is town. But apparently a lot of people fail at reading the OP so tha's kinda null-tell. :E


Touche
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 19:03 GMT
#2004
On July 31 2013 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you mean by that?


I failed to read the updated Vig role.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 19:10 GMT
#2010
On July 31 2013 04:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Why do you think there are two power roles and why do you assume scum thinks so?


Game balance. with a 10/4 start a single Vet is not enough to balance the game.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 30 2013 19:13 GMT
#2014
On July 31 2013 04:10 justanothertownie wrote:
Doesn't that depend on the scum roles too?


Even if the scum have zero PRs, 10/4 with a single Vet is still unbalanced. That's 2 mislynches to LYLO if they dont hit the Vet, and with no other protective or investigative roles then scum is more likely to win than town.
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