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hzflank
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On July 30 2013 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote: I also dont understand this setup shit. Way too complex man. Scum want to position thenselves so that they can vote for town without implicating themselves. It is much easier to make sure of a mislynch if at least a couple of scum can get their vote on easily. Especially when they are 8 town, 4 scum and 7 needed to lynch. | ||
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hzflank
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On July 30 2013 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote: I also dont understand this setup shit. Way too complex man. Scum want to position thenselves so that they can vote for town without implicating themselves. It is much easier to make sure of a mislynch if at least a couple of scum can get their vote on easily. Especially when they are 8 town, 4 scum and 7 needed to lynch. A big part of your point against Malongo is that he does not properly understand Mafia yet. As you say if Malongo is town then he knows that Vayne is lying, so to Malongo the best way to prove it is to flip himself now so that Vayne can be lynched after. | ||
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On July 30 2013 21:48 Oatsmaster wrote: So he made a case on ft. Tell me how that makes him town and not scum. Explain the town reasons. It's not that he made the case. As Vivax asked me, do you think that case was made by scum? Read it carefully. Also consider Stutter's posts on day 2. They are town. | ||
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hzflank
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On July 30 2013 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is so wrong. If someone lies about a check on yourself you know (or should assume) they are mafia in the first place. You know someone is most likely mafia and you want to have yourself instead of them?? I don't, but I can very much believe that Malongo would. | ||
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hzflank
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On July 30 2013 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why exactly is that? Have you played with Malongo before, or where do you base that assumption of yours? Mostly from this game. I also read a little bit of I Swear 2. Check this post: On July 29 2013 23:20 Malongo wrote: I think the answer is "depends". For me a D1 lynch > no lynch with about anyone on the block including me. Later the amount of info from fliping a player may not worth it. For D2 I think no lynch is like a nono. btw | ||
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On July 30 2013 21:57 justanothertownie wrote: I don't follow this logic. Why would scum need to lynch you specifically? Why do you think Vaynes claim is an answer to yours? Scum did not need to lynch me specifically. What scum do is have different people make attacks and see what sticks. Then they look at thread sentiment and position themselves so that they can realistically vote for someone who several town will also vote for. Scum were positioned so that enough of them could vote for me to get me lynched, If they could even get 3 town plus 2 scum on me, then others would have to join to consolidate anyway. Ideally scum also leave themselves options in case something goes wrong, so that they can follow the thread sentiment and vote for a different townie. Vayne's claim would only be response to mine if my claim put the game in a state where it was likely that scum would be lynched on day 2. For example, after my claim if the two most likely people to be lynched by scum then scum need to do something to change that. So from JAT as town point of view, some of the other people who were going to vote for me are scum. Suddenly when that option goes away Vayne makes a big claim and leaves town JAT in a position where JAT is the most likely to be lynched. | ||
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hzflank
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On July 30 2013 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote: If its all gut feeling, I have nothing more to say. I don;t play by gut feelings. I read that post by Stutter's at least 5 times and I tried to read it from a scum pov and a town pov. It is unlikely that post came from a scum pov. | ||
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hzflank
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On July 30 2013 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote: hey rayn explain why/how clarity fakeclaimed the rb? RB cannot stop dayVig anyway. If Clarity is town then scum must of thought he was the most likely cop or doctor. On July 30 2013 18:00 Koshi wrote: You do fucking know I was scum in NWM right? ADD STUTTERS On July 30 2013 18:01 Koshi wrote: 4 scums. The plot thickens. btw town. XRZ is the lynch for today. hz has 2 days to redeem himself. On July 30 2013 18:33 Koshi wrote: First lynch --> XRZ After that we can decide on Oats Hz and Stutters On July 30 2013 21:50 Koshi wrote: hzflank is so smart. Too bad he is on the scumteam today. But as present to Oats. As this joke has served his purpose My scumteam: XRZ hzflank Oats Confirmed town Stutters Malongo You suddenly went from Stutters being scum to being confirmed town. | ||
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I do not usually do this. | ||
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On July 30 2013 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Im so confused. Clarity claimed to be RBed. Its fake how/why? Sorry that was part of an unfinished post that I decided not to post. For some reason it actually ended up getting included in my Koshi post. | ||
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hzflank
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On July 30 2013 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Im so confused. Clarity claimed to be RBed. Its fake how/why? I do want to discuss this but I am not sure how to approach it. The how is easy. Scum do not have a Roleblocker. The why is the problem. Clarity looked bad at the end of the night phase but looked better with his day posts. Note how Vivax was sure that Clarity was scum. Also check this post by Clarity: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2013 07:57 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't expect to die tonight, but here's a list anyway. xrz: Slight town, his little "I figured it out" on day one with him thinking one of FT or Paper HAS to be scum (even if wrong) makes him town in my eyes. You don't really see this logic from scum, let alone that he kept it up consistently throughout day 1. Also he's had a townread on me with GOOD REASONS for it. FirmTofu: Ugh, really, I think he's town. Yes, it's mainly because of him going OMG FOUND A SCUMSLIP. rayn: I think him jumping on Koshi a bit before lynchtime the way he did makes him lean town, regardless of what Paper flipped. His night 1 however makes me very wary. Oats: Town, spammy oats who speaks his mind is town oats. Sadly he doesn't read the thread before speaking as either alignment. CJS: He town yo. Vayne: vigi this fuck, useless. The "day 1 is useless stuff" I can swallow but then going "I told you so" during n2 and still not explaining the shit he's spewing, useless or scum. Malongo: I'm clueless about him now after learning about his meta. Vivax: I mean, he's supposed to be playing good but he's pushing me. He also just kinda jumped on everything in the thread when I asked him for the case. Lot of effort to "win" though, leaning town. Koshi: I really hated his useless lists day 1. Gets heavy pressure and does this: I mean, who does that? JAT: Dunno. If my two scumreads are correct I guess he's town? hzflank: I kind of ignored my gut on day 1 when I had that interaction with him. He felt extremely afraid and he felt like I was targetting him despite me not doing anything close to that. I think scum are more likely to have this kneejerk defensive response. All the other reasons have been beaten to death. Yes he has this one part in this one post that looks townie but its less convincing that FirmTofu's thing. Stutters: Leaning more and more scum on him. It's not about the short filter, I did look and yes, his meta is to not post that much especially day 1. First, his constant references to his activity always being low, despite when people pressure him they don't mention his activity (except for vivax day 1) His day 1 "case" on Vivax is pretty atrocious. Wanting to lynch CJS on day 1 because of his ragequit is dumb or scum. Night 1 he jumps on the FT bandwagon but decides he needs to have his own unique reasons (which always smells scummy to me) My only problem is, obviously, currently hz is calling stutters scum. Doesn't mean they can't both be scum, but I think it makes it less likely. Regardless, theres my list, Stutters is a good lynch tomorrow. I'm going to bed nao, night night peoples. That is such a middle of the road post that leaves him many options for day 2. To be honest it is similar to Rayn's day 1 post in that it mimics thread sentiment. Also consider that Vivax had Stutters as town and Vivax said he would not vote for me day 2. After my Vet claim and Stutter's started to make some town-like posts, if scum have no RB then I think he might have claimed for town cred. The problem with that is that he was not a good RB target (I can think of several better). I guess my position is to leave it for now as I cannot make sense of it. | ||
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hzflank
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On July 30 2013 07:37 FirmTofu wrote: hzflank, I can get aboard a rayn lynch. His actions are extremely out of place. His reads are flying all over the place and don't any logical sense. It feels like he's trying to attack everyone a little bit to establish himself as abrasive and therefore town. I don't like it at all. This is odd to me. Maybe I am wrong regarding my own play yet I have been very abrasive and I have attacked everyone a little bit. FT seems to think that I am town though, and in the same paragraph he gives reasons for Rayn being scum as being because Rayn is playing somewhat similar to me. | ||
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We may only have 1 mislynch left and we still need to lynch 4 scum. | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually i just figured out something. Clarity´s roleblock claim basically confirms there is a roleblocker in the game whether or not he is telling truth about being roleblocked. And because of that it is more likely that Clarity is town. Can anyone else see why? Yeah got it. Clarity explained part of it well, also. Next question: does it mean that people who were more likely to be roleblocked (than Clarity) are more likely to be scum? | ||
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hzflank
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On July 30 2013 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who do you mean were more likely to be roleblocked? Vayne & Vivax? Would you really believe an obvious claims like vayne´s / Vivax´ are true as mafia? To be honest I was thinking about Oats or CJS. They did nothing during the night phase. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:20 Malongo wrote: Because i am green townie and in this position I have little to no chance to know what is happening behind the scenes. My real initial guess was "player x contacted VA and claimed a positive check". How could scum possibly contact Vayne behind the scenes? | ||
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