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I think that it was scummy of you to open your case against Tofu with an attack on someone else (me). This is particularly true on day 1 where it is dangerous to make reads based on association. I think that the reasoning for your attack was bad as the timing of posts provides little information and in this case I was obviously active in the game and reading it anyway, so it should not have taken me long to form a conclusion.
To talk about your case without defending Tofu, this part interests me the most:
On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote:
If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.
Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.
Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town.
If I were scum with Paperscraps then that is exactly what I would of posted at the time. It is a soft defence that could be designed to shift the discussion away from Paper without making Tofu look bad if Paper flips red. However, that is 100% dependant on Paper being scum and therefore I could not vote for Tofu based on that reason.
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Hey guys, just caught up.
First impressions:
I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this:
TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all.
So this is not serious at all?
Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.
Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far.
Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff).
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My case on FT begins after I reply to your post.
There is even a giant ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ inbetween
So... what association are you talking about?
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On July 27 2013 20:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
My case on FT begins after I reply to your post.
There is even a giant ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ inbetween
So... what association are you talking about?
The association between Tofu and I. There is no good reason to clutter your case on Tofu with shit against me unless you think there may be an association. The only time I (as town) have ever talked shit about one person in a case against another person is when I thought that they were both scum.
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On July 27 2013 20:19 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 20:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
My case on FT begins after I reply to your post.
There is even a giant ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ inbetween
So... what association are you talking about? The association between Tofu and I. There is no good reason to clutter your case on Tofu with shit against me unless you think there may be an association. The only time I (as town) have ever talked shit about one person in a case against another person is when I thought that they were both scum.
I don't really understand what you're doing.
I ask for people's opinion on Tofu cause people are being active and I'm working on a case.
I get a reply from you saying you think he looks town.
So after finishing my case, I quote you, and I say:
I DISAGREE
BECAUSE
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*CASE*
Are you feeling attacked?
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I am feeling like there was no good reason for you to include the bit about me at the top of your case unless you wanted to attack me. I think that putting the bit to me at the top of your case actually detracted from it and potentially enticed me to defend Firm when he should do it himself. I believe that by addressing me at the top of your case against Tofu it makes your case less likely to actually attract votes.
Until your most recent post I had no way to know that you had already started your case on Tofu before you voted for him. You seemed to vote for him first and then provide a case when people requested your reasons.
On the whole, I am feeling that the way you went about your case (Voting for Tofu > questioning me because I disagreed > giving reasons for your vote on Tofu) makes you look a lot more scummy that Tofu.
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You're saying that if I had replied to your post in a seperate post, and then posted the case afterwards, that completely changes everything?
You're saying that I, as scum, replied to you in the same post as my case on tofu so that you, as town, would feel enticed to defend tofu? Which accomplishes what?
But then you're also saying that I, as scum, did that so that my case would be "less likely to attract votes"?
Please explain what the thing is that "makes me look scummy"
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On July 27 2013 20:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Are you feeling attacked?
My above post did not include a direct answer to this. The direct answer is:
Slightly, but not enough to make me worry. Since I became active in the game almost everyone who has posted has directed multiple questions straight at me, but I quite like that.
In every game I have played so far people have thought I was scum in the first half of day 1 (regardless of my real alignment). It is a good thing to be attacked at this point as it provides an easy way for me to post openly if I am scum, or it provides a way for me to get reads on my attackers if I am town.
I assume that you ask if I am being attacked because you suspect that I might be scum who is scared of being caught. The truth is that would not be the case if I were scum as I like to be in the middle of things as either alignment.
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On July 27 2013 21:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
You're saying that if I had replied to your post in a seperate post, and then posted the case afterwards, that completely changes everything?
You're saying that I, as scum, replied to you in the same post as my case on tofu so that you, as town, would feel enticed to defend tofu? Which accomplishes what?
But then you're also saying that I, as scum, did that so that my case would be "less likely to attract votes"?
Please explain what the thing is that "makes me look scummy"
No. It would of changed everything if you had posted your reasons for thinking that Tofu is scum before you asked for other people's opinions. It is scummy to test the waters before you actually post a case.
Me defending Tofu makes it harder for town to get a read on Tofu based on his own defence. Therefore, when writing a case the ideal scenario is for the person to defend the case themselves before other people comment too much on it. In this case that was not possible due to time zones, but by discounting my reasons for thinking Tofu is town as you gave the reasons as to why Tofu is scum you made it more likely that I would defend Tofu. That is scummy.
On second thoughts, your case being less likely to attract votes is not a scum tell on you.
Why did you suggest a wagon on Tofu before you actually posted the reasons for it?
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Information for later in the game, durr
I understand why you're not supposed to defend it, what baffles me is that you thought I was enticing you to do so.
What baffles me more is that you're implying that I, as scum, would do something as innocent as have a reaction to a post AND a case in the same post, so as to entice you to defend someone, which would somehow work towards my scum win?
Give our exchange a good long read, think it through, and tell me if you think I'm scum or town, because you've implied both.
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On July 27 2013 20:13 justanothertownie wrote:Hey guys, just caught up. First impressions: I don't like Paperscraps. First he joins the lurker discussion without adding any content, then he starts to jump on exarezee without any good reason (I'm not really convinced that it was just a joke) and when he gets a little heat for it he totally backs off. I really hate this: Show nested quote +TLDR; Besides the first question on my first post, I haven't been serious at all. So this is not serious at all? Show nested quote +
Lurkers are liabilities later in the game. I don't have a problem with taking them out sooner, rather than later. If you are stuck in a potential mylo/lylo situation with a lurker, it is no fun. Of course, if some one is overly scummy we should lynch them first.
Add to this how he didn't post anything since he noticed people getting suspicious. To me he is the scummiest player so far. Also I'm annoyed by CJS. Going through his filter I can't find anything valuable - he just didn't say anything until this point (apart from fluff).
One post doth not maketh a townie.
What do you think of Clarity's case on Tofu? Or the exchange between Clarity and myself?
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oh god hzflank, stop being so defensive, its annoying.
I think both of you are not talking about anything really.
Hzflank, how do you think you have played this game differently so far from the last newbie where you were scum?
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On July 27 2013 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh god hzflank, stop being so defensive, its annoying.
I think both of you are not talking about anything really.
Hzflank, how do you think you have played this game differently so far from the last newbie where you were scum?
The irony is that I cannot defend my being defensive without being defensive.
I am not sure how I have played this differently. It was really the second half of day 1 where I played like scum in that game (gently ensuring 2 town wagons and calling my scummy buddy scum after those 2 wagons had formed). I think that in my last newbie game I was more subtle because I setup a day 1 target who did not respond much to me. This game I have had a long exchange with a single player which is more beneficial to town than to scum.
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Would you lynch a lurker today?
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On July 27 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Would you lynch a lurker today?
Seriously?
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Yes I would lynch a lurker today. However, I dislike beginning the day with the thought of lynching a lurker. I think the best thing on day 1 would be for at least 3 wagons to form before we even thinking about consolidating (or lynching a lurker). If enough cases are made then there is more chance that one of them is a case against scum and the scum team may react to that. It is hard to make a good case against a lurker, so I would prefer cases against active people to be discussed first.
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What is this wagon crap man.
Hmm wheres rayn?
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On July 27 2013 21:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
What is this wagon crap man.
Hmm wheres rayn?
Read the thread, also try commenting on current stuff going on in the thread, like for example:
What do you think of FirmTofu?
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By wagon I mean pressure with multiple votes.
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Can you post some stuff of relevance oatsmaster? All of your posts have been fluff so far. I'm going to re-read the thread.
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