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DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 03 2013 01:05 GMT
#901
I mean I could be way over-thinking this but the only way you could get a scum read off of Umasi's vote switch is with this reasoning: Umasi is scum, but he changes his vote last minute to appear pro town with the intention of switching back if needed to secure a reps lynch.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 03 2013 01:05 GMT
#902
On August 03 2013 10:04 Nightcat99 wrote:
slam , which quote the one you are answering my question?

I am pretty sure we all read it.

I'm far from sure!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 03 2013 01:06 GMT
#903
On August 03 2013 10:05 DeusXmachina wrote:
I mean I could be way over-thinking this but the only way you could get a scum read off of Umasi's vote switch is with this reasoning: Umasi is scum, but he changes his vote last minute to appear pro town with the intention of switching back if needed to secure a reps lynch.

With no intention of switching back whatsoever!
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 03 2013 01:08 GMT
#904
On August 03 2013 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 10:05 DeusXmachina wrote:
I mean I could be way over-thinking this but the only way you could get a scum read off of Umasi's vote switch is with this reasoning: Umasi is scum, but he changes his vote last minute to appear pro town with the intention of switching back if needed to secure a reps lynch.

With no intention of switching back whatsoever!


Explain yourself please
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 03 2013 01:09 GMT
#905
Umasi:

Aggressively hates no lynch

Switches off reps, but doesn't really push for counter wagon: rather, he goes for no lynch or get Indio as "he is scummier than scam"
Night

HolyFlare implicates him and dies

First thin Umasi does? Vote Indio? NO!! VOTES SCAM!

His defenses are NOT making sense. Indio's "pro town post" came after that vote

If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
August 03 2013 01:09 GMT
#906
On August 03 2013 09:59 DeusXmachina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 09:54 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
On August 03 2013 09:51 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 03 2013 09:46 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:

I still don't think the switch is a smart move for a townie. If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? Why take that chance if you don't have foreknowledge.



If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? I don't get what you mean. If Umasi was scum there would be no reason to not for reps. Scum knew that reps was not scum before he got lynched right?

He did, which is my point. If reps had still been offed, which was pretty likely at the time, and he were mafia, everything would be on umasi at this point, no? Switching a vote to try to save scum?

There are possible town motivations, true, but that seems like a chance not necessarily worth taking from the point of view of the individual player


? You are talking hypothetically if reps flipped red. Can we forget that. There is not hypothetical here. Reps flipped town. He was town and scum knew it. If Umasi was scum why would he switch his vote?

Saving a townie does offer him some towncred points in a way
At any rate, the hypothetical is important in this situation. I'm trying to explore his decision. And if he is town, he made that decision without any foreknowledge, so he would have to consider what happens in both scenarios. A) reps is red and he dies
B) reps is green, some towncred, though obviously the suspicion C) reps is saved(unlikely).

Given the risk of A happening if he is a unknowing townie, I find it an odd choice to make. Of course, if he is mafia, it's also not the best play for the attention. It still feels scummy to me
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
August 03 2013 01:12 GMT
#907
Alakaslam, I think you need to read a little bit more carefully, and post more rationally, we're having a hard time following what you're trying to say. I still want to pressure scam because he hasn't voted, I think he's a smart person to pressure.
Gotard, since he's wrong about infii (at least, I think so), is someone I'll go reread. not right now, watching lcs. I'll talk about him after this game though.

I obviously didn't intend to switch back alakaslam, I was fucking afk, and would have welcomed a no-lynch as I've stated really frequently.

Just because you thought infii was townier does not mean he was actually townier, don't shove your opinions as the law, disagreeing with you is not scummy -.- (directed at slam)
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
August 03 2013 01:13 GMT
#908
On August 03 2013 10:05 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 10:03 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
On August 03 2013 09:44 Umasi wrote:
assume we're a scum team together, what would we get out of tag teaming like you said we did? Is there any reason we would build such a strong connection?
(yeah, it's wifom, the thoughts not even occuring to you, and since I brought up you should just ignore it I guess.)
(btw, the town motivation for no lynching instead of mis lynching is the fact that we don't kill a townie.)

I'm not out to get you. Also, not so stupid as you seem to think friend

I'm new to this game too, I'm not going to play it perfectly. But I'm going to play the damn thing now, not just sit on my hands.

It's a more subtle tag-team, possibly even unintentionally backing up someone who you know to be your teammate (assuming you are mafia, which obviously is still to be decided)

I got a lot of heat for just defending myself, and now I begin to see why. There's a lot coming your way to answer for, so you are busy, but I'd like to see some of your theories come out more too to steer the discussion down other avenues that might benefit the town

You are distracting! This had better be settled. How do you not think a found scum is 100% most important thing? I tell you, Umasi's actions do not fit with his defenses!

I think he is scum right now, for sure. But he should at least be trying to formulate countertheories. If they are shittier than mine we know for sure he is scum, if they aren't bad we may have gained something, even if he is scum. Not trying to totally shift the attention from him, but it doesn't seem like a good way to spend the day if we keep circle-jerking over Umasi's guilt either
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 03 2013 01:13 GMT
#909
On August 03 2013 10:08 DeusXmachina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 03 2013 10:05 DeusXmachina wrote:
I mean I could be way over-thinking this but the only way you could get a scum read off of Umasi's vote switch is with this reasoning: Umasi is scum, but he changes his vote last minute to appear pro town with the intention of switching back if needed to secure a reps lynch.

With no intention of switching back whatsoever!


Explain yourself please

He really doesn't have to, in this situation. Especially since it looks even scummier- you are not thinking about scum perspective. Scum does not want to look scummy, they really don't have to lead or aid mislynches, especially at the cost of towncred. They have nk. They would like to see mislynches, but them dying drags their win out significantly further than not quite mislynch ing.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
August 03 2013 01:14 GMT
#910
Slam, infii at least has POSTED.
Do you NOT want to pressure the lurker? Is that just not something you want to have happen?
Why is pressuring scam to get him to post a bad idea?
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 03 2013 01:15 GMT
#911
On August 03 2013 10:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Umasi:

Aggressively hates no lynch

Switches off reps, but doesn't really push for counter wagon: rather, he goes for no lynch or get Indio as "he is scummier than scam"
Night

HolyFlare implicates him and dies

First thin Umasi does? Vote Indio? NO!! VOTES SCAM!

His defenses are NOT making sense. Indio's "pro town post" came after that vote



Slam. I have already expressed my suspicion of Umasi many times. Like I said his vote switch in my opinion is a townie move.
Could you please address only that. Unless you already did and I missed it. You are hard to follow man.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 03 2013 01:17 GMT
#912
On August 03 2013 10:12 Umasi wrote:
Alakaslam, I think you need to read a little bit more carefully, and post more rationally, we're having a hard time following what you're trying to say. I still want to pressure scam because he hasn't voted, I think he's a smart person to pressure.
Gotard, since he's wrong about infii (at least, I think so), is someone I'll go reread. not right now, watching lcs. I'll talk about him after this game though.

I obviously didn't intend to switch back alakaslam, I was fucking afk, and would have welcomed a no-lynch as I've stated really frequently.

Just because you thought infii was townier does not mean he was actually townier, don't shove your opinions as the law, disagreeing with you is not scummy -.- (directed at slam)

Fail defense, do as you preach

Doesn't get any more console than: if I was wrong and he was scummy, why not vote him start of today? I am bombastic, yes! Once I am so convinced of scum I will be a jerk and more about it.

This is indefensible! It really is! That is why you call me confusing
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
August 03 2013 01:17 GMT
#913
The promise of future activity is good. infii was scummier, but I had more of an expectation he would post things. Therefore, voting scam makes sense, to make him post.
and yeah~zyrre not posting is fucking confusing, he's equally important to pressure, but he's sure as shit done more than scam.

~i'm hardly even watching atm and I want to watch :<
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
August 03 2013 01:20 GMT
#914
I'm going to just get the ball rolling now anyway....
##Vote Umasi

I think you're scum. Give me reason to think otherwise
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
August 03 2013 01:20 GMT
#915
and no slam, YOU DO NEED TO READ MORE CAREFULLY, AND POST MORE RATIONALLY. Not even just focusing on me, forever.
You are actually hard to comprehend sometimes and that is bad, so this is just a person request, make it easy for everyone :<

going against my own policy isn't even scummy, it's just weird. And people think that getting off of reps would give towncred, it honestly shouldn't. It's me acting by my personal views of the situation.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
August 03 2013 01:21 GMT
#916
##Vote Umasi
bolding it
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 03 2013 01:21 GMT
#917
On August 03 2013 10:14 Umasi wrote:
Slam, infii at least has POSTED.
Do you NOT want to pressure the lurker? Is that just not something you want to have happen?
Why is pressuring scam to get him to post a bad idea?

It isn't

Why didnt you see before then? That was my opinion at the time!

Oh but Indio was scummier. VERY WELL. WHY NOT VOTE HIM FIRST TODAY THEN? YOU DID NOT THINK HE WAS TOWN ALREADY. DON'T BOTHER SAYING THAT.

Deus ex such distraction is looking scummy. You act like there is such thing as a SCUMSLIP. There isn't! You have to take motives over a period to truly catch scum! This period is long! It is not just his vote switching, it is the details of that PAIRED WITH HIS VOTING BEHAVIOR AT THE START OF DAY 2.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
August 03 2013 01:22 GMT
#918
I DIDN'T THINK HE WAS TOWN AT THAT POINT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE WAS A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD HE WOULD POST.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
DeusXmachina
Profile Joined November 2010
United States333 Posts
August 03 2013 01:22 GMT
#919
On August 03 2013 10:09 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 09:59 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 03 2013 09:54 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
On August 03 2013 09:51 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 03 2013 09:46 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:

I still don't think the switch is a smart move for a townie. If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? Why take that chance if you don't have foreknowledge.



If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? I don't get what you mean. If Umasi was scum there would be no reason to not for reps. Scum knew that reps was not scum before he got lynched right?

He did, which is my point. If reps had still been offed, which was pretty likely at the time, and he were mafia, everything would be on umasi at this point, no? Switching a vote to try to save scum?

There are possible town motivations, true, but that seems like a chance not necessarily worth taking from the point of view of the individual player


? You are talking hypothetically if reps flipped red. Can we forget that. There is not hypothetical here. Reps flipped town. He was town and scum knew it. If Umasi was scum why would he switch his vote?

Saving a townie does offer him some towncred points in a way
At any rate, the hypothetical is important in this situation. I'm trying to explore his decision. And if he is town, he made that decision without any foreknowledge, so he would have to consider what happens in both scenarios. A) reps is red and he dies
B) reps is green, some towncred, though obviously the suspicion C) reps is saved(unlikely).

Given the risk of A happening if he is a unknowing townie, I find it an odd choice to make. Of course, if he is mafia, it's also not the best play for the attention. It still feels scummy to me


A bunch of scenarios where Umasi is town? We are talking about if Umasi is scum. He already expressed that he vote switched because he believed reps was a bad town. So situation A, reps flips red, that wouldn't implicate him as scum unless you don't believe that he was being genuine when he said that he thinks reps is town (which is what reps turned out to be).
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
August 03 2013 01:24 GMT
#920
On August 03 2013 10:17 Umasi wrote:
The promise of future activity is good. infii was scummier, but I had more of an expectation he would post things. Therefore, voting scam makes sense, to make him post.
and yeah~zyrre not posting is fucking confusing, he's equally important to pressure, but he's sure as shit done more than scam.

~i'm hardly even watching atm and I want to watch :<

The problem with scam is he isn't even going to post anymore except to survive if that. that was discussed at night.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
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