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On August 02 2013 08:53 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 08:42 Umasi wrote:
that's not thought through too well.
You, daneel, are posting (I think) because we pressured you to post, so there's no reason to not pressure scam for not posting.
because we want him to post.
If you ignore a lurker, and don't vote a lurker, why on earth would they not keep on lurking? You'd have to hope it was just a scum not talking.
But what if it's just another lazy town? I'm posting because I got home from work again :p. See my post earlier :p I agree we should pressure him a bit, but I don't think its a good idea to be spending our second lynch on him. Someone said earlier in the thread (you I think)? That you can't get a good read either way on the player if they don't post. So we'd be basically taking a complete shot in the dark. If we are wrong, I think we are in pretty serious trouble (maybe I'm wrong, haven't played this before...) with 3 mafia left, and what, 4 townies and one of the neutrals? I think we would be better off trying to identify more likely mafia that we have reasons for suspecting and trying to nail them down. If we make a strong lynch push for scam what are we going to learn
Does mafia have 2 KP?
Anyway, scam is scummy. Check the thread again.
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
Does 3/3 problems mean 3 mafia or any assortment ie 2 mafia and 1 neutral?
Mega analysis post coming up by the way, I shall also try and vindicate myself within it for your peace of mind slam.
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On August 01 2013 10:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Humph. Well if reps flips red I will be cool. If he flips green, know this: I have stated earlier that my own train of thought looked just like reps if not worse first game. It was because I 100% wanted to survive, rather than hunt scum- because I was tracker, and felt that tracking night actions would make me better prepared to successfully scumhunt.
See this; it hasn't happened yet, but I already feel that if reps flips green holy flare and deus x machina look scummier. Why?
Simple. Reps has given inclination toward being an ideal scum mislynch target.
That being said he hasn't helped things one bit. But I still fosftp for future reference, and yet here is my vote as I agree, we need to lynch.
I am fully aware that I will look scummy right with them if he flips town, because I'll look all knowing and distancing myself from mislynch. I am aware of this fact and still post it. So shouldn't affect your votes!
votes reps
This is weaker than I thought, but do not forget it. Regardless, reading the game I feel they are both town.
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On August 02 2013 08:57 Holyflare wrote:
Does 3/3 problems mean 3 mafia or any assortment ie 2 mafia and 1 neutral?
Mega analysis post coming up by the way, I shall also try and vindicate myself within it for your peace of mind slam.
You already did, back on page 23 or something- I'm reading through the whole game again. Don't bother with that too much.
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On August 01 2013 10:54 Umasi wrote:
Rdaneel, if he flips scum none of this matters
but if reps flips town, and we're all just like "well they went balls out to get him lynched so they can't be scum" and they're ACTUALLY SCUM, what did they lose?
You don't get towncred for pushing a mislynch on a townie.
Likewise though, they aren't condemned because of it. You need more than a single key point to say "this guy IS scum because of THIS action" or "this guy IS town because of THIS action". Look at their motivations for doing something, that's equally important as what actually occurs.
Although this is true in theory, the way they stuck their necks out looks town motivated to me. And flare wasn't with deus initially.
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On August 02 2013 08:49 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 08:37 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Also, I think we need to be careful in how we deal with scam...we really should have taken him out instead of reps. Since we misfired on reps, if we go after scam and he is also a townie we are in some pretty hot water, down 4 townies with little to show. I think its important for us to be pressing more active players, then we can deal with him later if we can get on top of the game And in context of what I have been reading this implicates you STRONGLY. Why are you defending someone who voted no lynch?!?And who still has a sub 3 page filter for certain?
Hmmm. I didn't see that he voted no-lynch....that's definitely suspicious.
Why the fuck would he throw himself out there like that though? Given that he doesn't seem to care enough to play the game, it could very well be a total newbie mistake. We had 4-5 people wondering why to lynch day 1 earlier.
Even if he is mafia, it's a totally boneheaded move. Like I said about Umasi's withdrawal before, its a bad move for either townie or mafia.
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On August 02 2013 00:24 infii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 22:11 Gotard wrote:On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
I never said that I am going to lurk and wait. I will post as much as I possibly can and when I see it necessary. Maybe not but that was my impression and frankly this is pretty much what you do. Lurking and waiting. On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
OTOH he would still be more useful than StiMaDDict or sc_a.M. Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness. Because he could possibly improve in usefulness with more time and less preasure. And if he doesn't we can still lynch him the next day. OTOH there is not much information and thought process from the other two. So I'd rather choose the predictable solution than the unknown. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
Umasi:
He is pressing hard on reps atm. The way he confronts reps seems scummy to me and if reps turns out to be town he will definately be a big candidate for scum next day. You do that again. You say something and then there are no arguments. Why "The way he confronts reps" is scummy? Why reps flipping red indicates that Umasi is mafia as well. Do I really have to explain every single thing in full detail? When participating in discussions I'd expect from the participants at least to be able to think on their own. But I'll do it this time just for you: Here are 3 quick posts from Umasi in which he also votes reps. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:37 Umasi wrote:On August 01 2013 05:44 reps)squishy wrote:Anyone, anyone! That defends me in the smallest way (Usami) you should be super suspicious of them it's the oldest move in the mafia strategy. hey I'm around. I still like deus for scum, and by transition not sold on reps being scum. Here is his defense. Anyone that votes to lynch me is town. Mafia won't waste a lynch someone that the town is going to lynch already. ~oldest move in mafia strategy why do you say this? Are you backtracking from the path of newb? Like, you're trying to change your playstyle to make you look like less of a noob, and I really don't get it, because you're not doing things that are pro town, you're just messing around. Scum? Sure! Troll? guess so! like~I don't know what you're playing at if you're town. On August 01 2013 08:34 reps)squishy wrote:
Deus you talk as if you are sooo positive that I am a townie and you want to lynch me anyway. Why? I smell scum all over you. Why are you backtracking? Why isn't Deus town anymore? ##VOTE reps On August 01 2013 08:39 Umasi wrote:
Deus has been very vocal that he thinks you are scum, but to convince people to vote you, if you ARE town, you're a counterproductive town.
So either way it's benefiting town, is what he's trying to communicate. I don't think that people should vote you because they think you're counterproductive, but because you're scum. On August 01 2013 08:49 Umasi wrote:
reps, you ARE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE
you have preformed jack.
there are LOTS of good reasons for voting you.
There's nothing stopping you from ignoring everyone and going and independently building cases on people and posting them, because I think we can all look past the "who posted it" to the "jesus this is scummy as crap"
when you just sit here and whine about people voting you, that's not a compelling reason to switch off.
He IS correct in thinking that you're hurting us if you're not scum. You are hurting town if you are not scum.
(this implies that if you're scum, you're helping town by being an obvious target)
The way to be interpreted as a townie is to be townie, not to be like "why don't people believe me :<<<<" because scum can say EXACTLY what you're saying. Nothing about what you've done actually helps us read you as town, we just have to wifom ourselves into thinking you're town. But if you just look at everything objectively, you're scum. So in his second post he states that reps is counterproductive but others should vote him for the reason that he is scum. And already in the next post he repeats that reps is counterproductive IN ALL CAPS, which is an easy way to increase preasure on someone. He explains there are LOTS of good reasons to vote him, but interestingly only points out his counterproductiveness. Then there are serveral more accusations "you have preformed jack", "You are hurting town", "Scum? Sure!, Troll? guess so!". Nothing wrong with that its just He writes it in such a lurid way that I tend to think he is trying to set others up on reps. So if we presume that Umasi wants others to jump on the bandwagon and lynch reps, that would be a clear sign for mafia. To continue the thought process, reps did get lynched and he flips town, that would further increase the possibility of Umasi being scum. Any more questions? PS.: I am not pro reps, it's just that I am more anti sc_a.M/Stimaddict.
I don't get why people dislike Indio jones, are they actually reading him?
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Vatican City State733 Posts
My main point is I think he's just a bad player who has no clue what the hell he's doing. Like me!!! Does he look scum? Yeah, there's definite indications. But most of those were about not wanting to randomly start lynching people day one, which may just be a misunderstanding of his and not due to any scumminess.
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On August 02 2013 09:03 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 08:49 Alakaslam wrote:On August 02 2013 08:37 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Also, I think we need to be careful in how we deal with scam...we really should have taken him out instead of reps. Since we misfired on reps, if we go after scam and he is also a townie we are in some pretty hot water, down 4 townies with little to show. I think its important for us to be pressing more active players, then we can deal with him later if we can get on top of the game And in context of what I have been reading this implicates you STRONGLY. Why are you defending someone who voted no lynch?!?And who still has a sub 3 page filter for certain? Hmmm. I didn't see that he voted no-lynch....that's definitely suspicious. Why the fuck would he throw himself out there like that though? Given that he doesn't seem to care enough to play the game, it could very well be a total newbie mistake. We had 4-5 people wondering why to lynch day 1 earlier. Even if he is mafia, it's a totally boneheaded move. Like I said about Umasi's withdrawal before, its a bad move for either townie or mafia.
Lots of scum don't read the thread. They rely on the qt and their teammates who post a gist in there.
Someone states "hey town is discussing no lynch as a possibility XD this looks good, maybe we can play this" and he gets the wrong idea.
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On August 02 2013 09:09 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
My main point is I think he's just a bad player who has no clue what the hell he's doing. Like me!!! Does he look scum? Yeah, there's definite indications. But most of those were about not wanting to randomly start lynching people day one, which may just be a misunderstanding of his and not due to any scumminess.
Read him again. Don't you get scummy on me again. Bad play even if you are.
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Vatican City State733 Posts
Who is indio jones?
You make a good point about not really needing to read the thread though. Interesting
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I don't know why someone WOULD like infii, and would happily accept an explanation. Stim can't, apparently, idk why.
and even thne, he spends a lot of that post talking about the implications of reps flipping town, and at the end says that he's anti scam and stim.
Why is he anti stim? Why wasn't he anti Daneel?
Slam, he blatantly says that he won't post analysis on day one because there is not enough information to go on. (this is accepted to be untrue.)
He also spends most of the time in that quote defending himself against a single vote (I think it was just gotard at the time. if reps was on him at the time, doesn't really count as pressure :<)
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On August 02 2013 01:43 DeusXmachina wrote:
Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. This is a game. Play to win. Reps will bounce back, no hard feelings.
This is a bad post, really bad post, and I want Deus to tell me why.
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On August 02 2013 09:11 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:
Who is indio jones?
You make a good point about not really needing to read the thread though. Interesting
YOU need to and had better!
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On August 02 2013 09:12 Umasi wrote:
I don't know why someone WOULD like infii, and would happily accept an explanation. Stim can't, apparently, idk why.
and even thne, he spends a lot of that post talking about the implications of reps flipping town, and at the end says that he's anti scam and stim.
Why is he anti stim? Why wasn't he anti Daneel?
Slam, he blatantly says that he won't post analysis on day one because there is not enough information to go on. (this is accepted to be untrue.)
He also spends most of the time in that quote defending himself against a single vote (I think it was just gotard at the time. if reps was on him at the time, doesn't really count as pressure :<)
Have you read the thread, or at least Indio's filter?
Hehe my phone autocorrects it relentlessly.
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Vatican City State733 Posts
On August 02 2013 09:12 Umasi wrote:
I don't know why someone WOULD like infii, and would happily accept an explanation. Stim can't, apparently, idk why.
and even thne, he spends a lot of that post talking about the implications of reps flipping town, and at the end says that he's anti scam and stim.
Why is he anti stim? Why wasn't he anti Daneel?
Slam, he blatantly says that he won't post analysis on day one because there is not enough information to go on. (this is accepted to be untrue.)
He also spends most of the time in that quote defending himself against a single vote (I think it was just gotard at the time. if reps was on him at the time, doesn't really count as pressure :<)
I think in the context of that post its because I was on a posting spree a few hours before. The thread would have had quite a few of posts from me and almost none from Stim. go ahead and look back, that was just a couple of hours after I really started playing last night
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On August 02 2013 02:44 sc_a.M wrote:
No, well eventually maybe, I think I am going to get killed next day anyway, the reason you kill reps is the same you can apply to me, only reps started posting earlier (and after seeing the reactions I didn't really bother), what he said made sense to me. That you hate him so much gave me a day I guess. Perhaps after night time when we actually have the chance on some clues we can do more than the random lynching that is occuring at the moment. I don't understand why beeing against random lynching, and nothing else you can do day1 is anti town, but what ever.
##vote no-lynch
I mean, really?
"I give up"
Scum ready to be bussed or such detrimental town. No man. I want you to get back here and play this game.
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@RDO: Two times I said I will elaborate is first on infi, which I stated that I dropped my suspicion on him completely, and on my case on you upon request, which I never did get.
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On August 02 2013 03:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
To be honest, I would be surprised if rep flips red.
As for Alakslam/Umasi, I have a gut feeling that one of them is a scum and it is screw us at the end.
Deus' early aggression and "sticking to his gun" seems pretty town to me.
As for sc_a.M, I would have much liked to see him modkilled.
I don't know who you are..
When I looked at RDaneelOlivaw's filter, he didn't do shit. I will elaborate on further request. (I'm lazy and tired)
This kind of stuff is why I kinda like stim.
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