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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On July 25 2013 22:23 Onegu wrote:
I dont like a cora shot much, and 5T if that is supposed to scare me sorry, firm defended TAA until it was beyond obv he was scum. And in games I have played with him as town or he obs a game I was town we both had very close to the same scum reads while we are very different this game.
That's exactly a good indicator of why he could well be town.
TAA was totally doomed, so defending him is a really really stupid thing to do if he's mafia. Do you think Firm is really really stupid?
~marv
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But again I have never seen him play scum...
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Well, there we go then. There exists the possibility that Firm is playing a really really stupid mafia game and defended a scummy redcheck when the rest of the town wanted to lynch him, but I wouldn't bet on it, would you?
Firm is also a player (like Corazon) who we know will post enough and get more information out of.
~marv
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Sanya12364 Posts
On July 25 2013 21:24 TanGeng wrote:
My top vig target would be Corazon.
Ok, got enough time to follow up with my reasons on Corazon.
I feel the highlight of Corazon as scum is waffling on the TheAwesomeAll vote and considering getmoript and then forgetting his suspicion of getmoript a day later.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 12:15 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok this is really stupid...a town RB, 2 invest, and a vigilante. Someone is lying.
##Unvote
I'm going either Getmoript or TAA. On July 25 2013 05:57 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:53 FiveTouch wrote:
So you think TG is lying, but kirby and Oats are mafia?
Riddle me that one.
~marv Well TG's claim is tied into TAA's flip. If he actually is RB and he blocked TG then obviously the claim is true. 4 blues in a 12 player game and no other active powers have been used by scum other than a possible role block. Does that add up to you? Because it doesn't looked balanced to me. On July 25 2013 06:08 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:07 FiveTouch wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 25 2013 05:58 FiveTouch wrote:
Surely that means then that in fact you don't believe TG is lying, because if you believed he was lying you wouldn't be voting TAA, right?
~marv I don't believe TG's claim and therefore do not believe TAA's claim. So I have no clue what you mean by that. Proposition 1: you think TAA is lying and will flip mafia. Therefore your vote is on TAA Result 1: TAA flips mafia. According to what you wrote here, this makes TG a liar too. TAA is lying about roleblocking TG, TG is lying about being roleblocked. Lovely. Proposition 2: jrkirby and Oats are the remaining mafia, not TG. ???? My scum team is TAA, TG, and jrkirby. If TAA and TG turn out to be town, I'd look at my scum team being jrkirby, Oats, and another player.
From this, my interpretation is that the doubt about TAA/getmoript wasn't genuine as Cora sort of didn't actually run through the TAA as town scenario. In the middlepost, Cora sort of talks about how 4 blues in town would be unbalance and in such a situation the most suspicious blue claim would have to be getmoript. Forgetting about getmoript when asked to name his town TAA scenario doesn't add up for me.
Lastly, there's a bit that I feel could be like a "surrender post" after the TAA outing:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19269044
On July 24 2013 22:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really stopped caring about this game.
Circumstantially:
Without a town RBer claiming, I'm more or less left with the conclusion that scum RB'd me N1 after my D1 VT claim and near mislynch, but I'm still wrapping my head around this play.
A disorganized scum team with one inactive player barely joining the team before the Night Action deadline could have lead to such a decision playing out.
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On July 25 2013 22:44 TanGeng wrote:Ok, got enough time to follow up with my reasons on Corazon. I feel the highlight of Corazon as scum is waffling on the TheAwesomeAll vote and considering getmoript and then forgetting his suspicion of getmoript a day later. + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2013 12:15 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok this is really stupid...a town RB, 2 invest, and a vigilante. Someone is lying.
##Unvote
I'm going either Getmoript or TAA. On July 25 2013 05:57 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 05:53 FiveTouch wrote:
So you think TG is lying, but kirby and Oats are mafia?
Riddle me that one.
~marv Well TG's claim is tied into TAA's flip. If he actually is RB and he blocked TG then obviously the claim is true. 4 blues in a 12 player game and no other active powers have been used by scum other than a possible role block. Does that add up to you? Because it doesn't looked balanced to me. On July 25 2013 06:08 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 06:07 FiveTouch wrote:On July 25 2013 06:01 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 25 2013 05:58 FiveTouch wrote:
Surely that means then that in fact you don't believe TG is lying, because if you believed he was lying you wouldn't be voting TAA, right?
~marv I don't believe TG's claim and therefore do not believe TAA's claim. So I have no clue what you mean by that. Proposition 1: you think TAA is lying and will flip mafia. Therefore your vote is on TAA Result 1: TAA flips mafia. According to what you wrote here, this makes TG a liar too. TAA is lying about roleblocking TG, TG is lying about being roleblocked. Lovely. Proposition 2: jrkirby and Oats are the remaining mafia, not TG. ???? My scum team is TAA, TG, and jrkirby. If TAA and TG turn out to be town, I'd look at my scum team being jrkirby, Oats, and another player. From this, my interpretation is that the doubt about TAA/getmoript wasn't genuine as Cora sort of didn't actually run through the TAA as town scenario. In the middlepost, Cora sort of talks about how 4 blues in town would be unbalance and in such a situation the most suspicious blue claim would have to be getmoript. Forgetting about getmoript when asked to name his town TAA scenario doesn't add up for me.
Lastly, there's a bit that I feel could be like a "surrender post" after the TAA outing: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19269044Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 22:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really stopped caring about this game.
Circumstantially: Without a town RBer claiming, I'm more or less left with the conclusion that scum RB'd me N1 after my D1 VT claim and near mislynch, but I'm still wrapping my head around this play. A disorganized scum team with one inactive player barely joining the team before the Night Action deadline could have lead to such a decision playing out.
This case is really so terrible. There's no way I "waffled" on the TAA vote. I didn't unvote him several times, and I started playing the second half of D2 like TAA was going to be the lynch. I don't understand where you are going with that.
Secondly, I did not call into question Getmoript's claim after TAA had claimed scum RB. While it doesn't really make sense to have 2 investigators, I'm more likely to believe Getmoript now that he was right about TAA. The roles look a bit more balanced with scum having a RB.
And then the last point you made is you trying to fish for reasons to make me look like scum. Try harder.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Pretty desperate for you to be town, TG, just so I can be right, to be honest.
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On July 25 2013 22:29 FiveTouch wrote:
Well, there we go then. There exists the possibility that Firm is playing a really really stupid mafia game and defended a scummy redcheck when the rest of the town wanted to lynch him, but I wouldn't bet on it, would you? I think he freaked out about the redcheck and didn't really think through just how inevitable the lynch was. And as has been stated: He originally said "Let's not lynch potential blues" even though TAA wasn't a potential blue yet. Then as soon as TAA becomes a potential blue, he's like "OMG scumz". By then he probably realized there was no saving him.
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>I'm more likely to believe Getmoript now that he was right about TAA.
lol wtf cora
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First of all, people are calling for my lynch or vigi shot. Don't waste your breath. It's not going to happen. There are people who have played way scummier than me and you all know that. Are you really going to lynch me and turn a blind eye to TG, jrkirby, and Oats? You guys know that it's bad town play to do that. Don't waste anything on me.
I still like my theory that TAA would roleblock TG in order to give him some more town cred. TG's play has reflected a bit more in this because he is trying to post more and actually be useful, but a lot of it seems forced to me.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
There's no evidence that Firm freaked out about anything.
Firm doesn't seem like the freaking-out sort, frankly.
Wouldn't mind him explaining the potential blue thing though. You're right in that that is odd.
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On July 25 2013 22:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
>I'm more likely to believe Getmoript now that he was right about TAA.
lol wtf cora
I meant his claim.
There could be crazy shenanigans going on and he could not be invest, but he nailed TAA so that's good enough for me.
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Your wording is really careful though Cora
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On July 25 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Your wording is really careful though Cora
How so?
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Your wording is really careful though cora.
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On July 25 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Your wording is really careful though cora.
Yeah if you're not going to tell me how it is "careful", then I'm just going to ignore you.
kthxbye
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Sanya12364 Posts
On July 25 2013 22:59 FiveTouch wrote:
There's no evidence that Firm freaked out about anything.
Firm doesn't seem like the freaking-out sort, frankly.
Wouldn't mind him explaining the potential blue thing though. You're right in that that is odd.
I'm still convinced that Tofu was talking about Corazon when mentioning blues.
However, I don't understand the sidetrack to Onegu/getmoript/Cora when the topic was about TAA. And he repeatedly threw out getmoript false claiming scenarios without looking at the TAA response. I guess players more familiar with Tofu play will be able to say if this is genuine inability to discern a clear scum tell or trying to stall a lynch.
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double posted whoops
>I'm more likely to believe Getmoript now that he was right about TAA.
So like wtf is 'more likely to believe' instead of "germoript is totes town"
Its so uncommital, there are no strong words like confirmed or whatever.
It would be appropriate if getmoript pushed a lynch and it was scum but he claimed cop and a red check. How more confirmed can you get?
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On July 25 2013 23:10 Oatsmaster wrote:double posted whoops So like wtf is 'more likely to believe' instead of "germoript is totes town" Its so uncommital, there are no strong words like confirmed or whatever. It would be appropriate if getmoript pushed a lynch and it was scum but he claimed cop and a red check. How more confirmed can you get?
Because to write someone off as 100% town is silly. Getmoript could still be scum by claiming invest and just saying TAA was scum in order to give him major town cred.
While I don't really believe that it was a bus by Getmoript, the possibility is there. I'm not going to call him "totes town", but I do believe that he is invest or at the least town.
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Sanya12364 Posts
On July 25 2013 22:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
This case is really so terrible. There's no way I "waffled" on the TAA vote. I didn't unvote him several times, and I started playing the second half of D2 like TAA was going to be the lynch. I don't understand where you are going with that.
Secondly, I did not call into question Getmoript's claim after TAA had claimed scum RB. While it doesn't really make sense to have 2 investigators, I'm more likely to believe Getmoript now that he was right about TAA. The roles look a bit more balanced with scum having a RB.
And then the last point you made is you trying to fish for reasons to make me look like scum. Try harder.
Oh come on, Cora. The case is all about not whether you believe Getmoript now. It was whether or not you were actually considering TAA as town/scum scenarios. I'm saying you didn't consider the TAA as town because you knew it wasn't going to happen.
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