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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 23 2013 20:33 GMT
#1001
Actually I'm completely speculating. It's hard to believe myself.

Repeat:
I'm not sure why I sucked out a RB on night 1.
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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 23 2013 20:34 GMT
#1002
Conversely if he's town and claimed VT on D1, what better to bring further scrutiny on TG by roleblocking him N1? You know he's gonna claim the RB, why wouldn't you? And then people ask the weird questions that a scum TG would be AVOIDING by NOT claiming RB: "Why would scum roleblock you if you claimed VT?"
Artanis & marv
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
July 23 2013 20:36 GMT
#1003
On July 24 2013 05:31 FiveTouch wrote:
I buy it. I think TG is town and scum are setting him up with the RB.

Think about it. If he's scum, why would he claim RB after claiming VT on D1? That doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective, because he'd have to answer weird questions like "Why would scum roleblock you if you claimed VT?"


With that kind of thinking, you could say that a scum player who was almost lynched could think of that and claim RB to have someone else come to that conclusion, giving that person a town read on the scum player.

If you want to play the WIFOM game, I'd love to play along too...
Grubby's #1 Fan
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 23 2013 20:38 GMT
#1004
On July 24 2013 05:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 04:58 TanGeng wrote:
I'm not sure why I sucked out a RB on night 1.

If scum RB, would scum put me on a blue role?
If town RB, what does it mean? In small games, is a town RB feasible?


I love how your thought about the scum RB'ing you is completely in line with town sentiment, yet your thought about the town RB'ing you is complete setup speculation and WIFOM.

There's literally no explanation why anyone would RB you. I really don't buy your RB claim.


You're the one trying to WIFOM about why he's lying about the claim Cora don't even.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 23 2013 20:43 GMT
#1005
The fact of the matter is, if TG is scum than he
  • Claimed VT D1
  • Dodged Lynch D1
  • ?????? Claimed RB D2?????

??? You're espousing a theory that doesn't make sense from any fucking perspective Cora. You're saying that he claimed VT on D1, and while scrutiny is ALREADY ON HIM, LIED ABOUT BEING ROLEBLOCKED D2!

COORRAAAAA THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE COOORRAAAAAAA!!!!

##Unvote
##Vote: cDgCorazon
Artanis & marv
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 23 2013 20:44 GMT
#1006
On July 24 2013 05:31 FiveTouch wrote:
I buy it. I think TG is town and scum are setting him up with the RB.

Think about it. If he's scum, why would he claim RB after claiming VT on D1? That doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective, because he'd have to answer weird questions like "Why would scum roleblock you if you claimed VT?"
Still curious about this. Is it purely wrapped up in the RB claim and mention of Onegu?
Fe fi fo fum.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 23 2013 20:46 GMT
#1007
@ JJD

Are you still around?
Now that you're on Oatsmaster, what happened to your stance on FirmTofu? Has your read changed at all?
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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 23 2013 20:47 GMT
#1008
On July 24 2013 05:44 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 05:31 FiveTouch wrote:
I buy it. I think TG is town and scum are setting him up with the RB.

Think about it. If he's scum, why would he claim RB after claiming VT on D1? That doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective, because he'd have to answer weird questions like "Why would scum roleblock you if you claimed VT?"
Still curious about this. Is it purely wrapped up in the RB claim and mention of Onegu?

I don't need to explain my townreads to you right now austin, unless TG is on the cusp of getting lynched, don't you worry about why I think TG is town.

-VE
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 23 2013 20:49 GMT
#1009
austin keeps asking odd questions. And not in the odd-austin way, but in an odd-odd way. Not sure what to make of it yet, other than it being odd.

~marv
Artanis & marv
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
July 23 2013 20:51 GMT
#1010
@5T. Why not TAA? I think he's a much better lynch, he's scummy, not doing anything at all and we don't have to worry about misreading him based on bad past experiences.
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 23 2013 20:52 GMT
#1011
On July 24 2013 05:47 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 05:44 austinmcc wrote:
On July 24 2013 05:31 FiveTouch wrote:
I buy it. I think TG is town and scum are setting him up with the RB.

Think about it. If he's scum, why would he claim RB after claiming VT on D1? That doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective, because he'd have to answer weird questions like "Why would scum roleblock you if you claimed VT?"
Still curious about this. Is it purely wrapped up in the RB claim and mention of Onegu?

I don't need to explain my townreads to you right now austin, unless TG is on the cusp of getting lynched, don't you worry about why I think TG is town.

-VE
No, you don't NEED to. But I realized what I wanted from you last night, when asking why you found TG scummy. I wanted...specifics, I wanted you to reference his vote on JJD, votepost, comment about discussion, the avoidance of talking about those things--the specific posts that led to the scumread that led to the wagon that led to the almost-lynch. You spoke in some general terms about things, but you never referenced the start of the wagon or my read or those posts.

Now, he's become a townread. But for reasons that have to do with setup speculation and WIFOM, not his posts, and you're still not going back to those and incorporating them into anything. Like I noted at night, I was watching for people to call TG/Oats scummy and still want to lynch other folks, but also watching for people who come off of them for little/no reason and onto other people. Right now, you blipped on that radar. It's a thing that could go either way, and you explaining yourself lets me know how to interpret this.

Beyond that, AMG CORA SCUM FOR MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AND DRAWING WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM BECAUSE I COME TO DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS AND WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM. I think that vote is poop soup.
Fe fi fo fum.
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 23 2013 20:53 GMT
#1012
Not sure what bad experiences you're referring to? This is VE's baby, with my blessing.

You can't say "why not TAA" without addressing the fundamental concerns that VE brought up.

~marv
Artanis & marv
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
July 23 2013 20:53 GMT
#1013
I agree that discussion about the RB is non-productive. It's either a a town RB suspecting scum OR scum setup.
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 23 2013 20:54 GMT
#1014
I have no bad past experiences with Cora which will color my read of him one way or another. I want to lynch him based on what I'm reading in this thread. Thanks for your concern though getmo.

-VE
Artanis & marv
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
July 23 2013 20:54 GMT
#1015
On July 24 2013 05:53 FiveTouch wrote:
Not sure what bad experiences you're referring to? This is VE's baby, with my blessing.

You can't say "why not TAA" without addressing the fundamental concerns that VE brought up.

~marv

I'll comment when I get off work.
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 23 2013 20:54 GMT
#1016
So austin, what's your current Oats opinion?

~marv
Artanis & marv
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 23 2013 20:56 GMT
#1017
OK, I'm not sure why people are overthinking this TG roleblock thing. He was almost definately targetted by a townie that blocked him becuase they felt he was scummy. Why doesn't that make sense?

And I don't think it's alignment indicative. It just means whoever the roleblocker is felt like he was possibly scum.
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
July 23 2013 20:56 GMT
#1018
On July 24 2013 05:52 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 05:47 FiveTouch wrote:
On July 24 2013 05:44 austinmcc wrote:
On July 24 2013 05:31 FiveTouch wrote:
I buy it. I think TG is town and scum are setting him up with the RB.

Think about it. If he's scum, why would he claim RB after claiming VT on D1? That doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective, because he'd have to answer weird questions like "Why would scum roleblock you if you claimed VT?"
Still curious about this. Is it purely wrapped up in the RB claim and mention of Onegu?

I don't need to explain my townreads to you right now austin, unless TG is on the cusp of getting lynched, don't you worry about why I think TG is town.

-VE
No, you don't NEED to. But I realized what I wanted from you last night, when asking why you found TG scummy. I wanted...specifics, I wanted you to reference his vote on JJD, votepost, comment about discussion, the avoidance of talking about those things--the specific posts that led to the scumread that led to the wagon that led to the almost-lynch. You spoke in some general terms about things, but you never referenced the start of the wagon or my read or those posts.

Now, he's become a townread. But for reasons that have to do with setup speculation and WIFOM, not his posts, and you're still not going back to those and incorporating them into anything. Like I noted at night, I was watching for people to call TG/Oats scummy and still want to lynch other folks, but also watching for people who come off of them for little/no reason and onto other people. Right now, you blipped on that radar. It's a thing that could go either way, and you explaining yourself lets me know how to interpret this.

Beyond that, AMG CORA SCUM FOR MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AND DRAWING WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM BECAUSE I COME TO DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS AND WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM. I think that vote is poop soup.


I didn't realize TG claimed VT overnight. I didn't notice that until filtering him today. I don't think scum would claim VT on D1 period, and I CERTAINLY don't think scum would claim RB on D2 after claiming VT on D1 austin. Is that specific enough for you?
Artanis & marv
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 23 2013 20:58 GMT
#1019
On July 24 2013 05:46 TanGeng wrote:
@ JJD

Are you still around?
Now that you're on Oatsmaster, what happened to your stance on FirmTofu? Has your read changed at all?
No it hasn't changed (and how could it? he's barely posted since then). I think Oats is @ least as scummy though. And an Oats lynch is more likely to happen.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 23 2013 20:58 GMT
#1020
On July 24 2013 05:54 FiveTouch wrote:
So austin, what's your current Oats opinion?

~marv
I still like him for scum, tbh. That one's more troubling than TG currently, but as someone with a fondness for being odd/useless/absent on D1 a decent amount of the time when town, he's doing more than that. He actively contributed little/nothing beyond yelling to lynch rayn. He didn't even vote or get involved in any sort of voting discussion until 6 minutes to go. His magical test didn't prevent him from getting more active during parts of N1.

I have a hard time reading someone who had his D1 as town. Just because he acts differently today does not undo his D1. To some extent, I interpret the different action as D1 "Woe is me I so sad I scum again and qqqqqq" and N1/D2 uptick in action as "HAHAHAHA SUCK IT TOWN, WE TOTALLY GOT A NO LYNCH AND NOW THIS GAME IS MORE ENJOYABLE."

It's not the only interpretation, and it's not my whole read on him, but the D1 attitude and play was SO scummy that I don't automatically come around on D2.
Fe fi fo fum.
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