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Lynching lurker won't give us much info.
##vote Nightcat99
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I have said this many times already, sorry for repeating myself, but until we see a red flip the important question is:
Who is the most likely to flip red today?
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Holy #### Gotard!
Talk about not giving us much info.
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Gotard should be lynched today for sure.
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Sidenote: I won't be here two hours before lynch..
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What's the point of lynching Superfluous right now? Since he's gone there's no discussion around him. his case was closed after first day. He can only hope that people will think that day one was town-town lynch which is the case.
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On July 18 2013 04:55 Gotard wrote:
What's the point of lynching Superfluous right now? Since he's gone there's no discussion around him. his case was closed after first day. He can only hope that people will think that day one was town-town lynch which is the case.
if thats the case then why isnt he helping us scumhunt. If he has nothing to hide, then why wouldnt he post when he isnt under threat?
if he believes his case is closed then why is he afraid of posting?
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On July 18 2013 04:55 Gotard wrote:
He can only hope that people will think that day one was town-town lynch which is the case.
How do you know that day 1 was town-town?
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People are afraid. They didn't see mafia defending their mate. They are scared or killing their buddy again.
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May as well make the cases for all of them while I'm here (I'll be out for the deadline starting at 5:30pm Eastern USA time, which shouldn't be a problem since the hz plan calls for us to lock our votes in an hour ahead of time):
Alakaslam:
Jumped into the trap laid by myself, hz, and (unwittingly) Onegu -
On July 18 2013 03:26 Alakaslam wrote:
Ebwop 2 of my posts up
In other words why not Hzflank? He voted you too and was the only other one who then switched his vote, causing me to be solo
Backs off his pressure of me IMMEDIATELY upon figuring out that he has fallen into said trap:
On July 18 2013 03:36 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
And there goes the ninja voteswap. Alakaslam is panicking now. That happened as soon as I finished the point where I said stop talking about the tribunal because SVENGALI if I was panicked I'd not say that ONEGU COME TUNNEL :D
Echoes unfounded support of Super by his predecessor cloud-9 -
On July 18 2013 04:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@Alakaslam
What do you think of Superfluous? Town ish but why is he gone. Let me look you up or I will wind up not answering you
On July 14 2013 13:54 cloud-9 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary:
To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting
This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. I agree that these objectives can belong to either alighnment and it is my intuition at this present moment that super is being earnest in his attempts to find scum.
Had a scum read on Chrom he never pressured:
*QUOTE UNAVAILABLE. NO EVIDENCE OF PRESSURE EVER DETECTED*
Unwilling to carry on a conversation. Due to inability to explain his actions? Devolves to 'No U' when not appropriate:
On July 18 2013 03:22 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 18 2013 03:09 Alakaslam wrote:On July 18 2013 02:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@Alakaslam
I'm very eager to hear your thoughts on my answers to Onegu's case. I like them, you did quite well. But that isn't why I voted you. Meta meta! Thou art a bombastically assured individual this game, not the hurricane I know*. Then again I have changed some as well. Of course, at this point I am solo voting you**, why do this in majority***? So see the thread. I had already liked a Gotard lynch before****. *: Using meta**: Misrepreseting facts (see: lying)***: WIFOM****: Unwillingness to vote Gotard despite scum readNot a good look, slambro. You are doing much of what you accuse me of in here by doing this Not good look Rofl
Declares that I was 'wrong' about what was going on in the scum QT. Not 'he couldn't have known' (as Onegu said). But that I was actually definitively 'wrong' about what was going on there:
On July 17 2013 00:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh yeah him being wrong about qt- does this not point to him being null, he could make same mistake town or scum
This reaction to the Roleblock:
On July 16 2013 10:32 Alakaslam wrote:Shit
(This point continued at the bottom of the page. It's important to set this point up organically, as you will see)
Fearful of the Tribunal (a natural scum reaction if they were three townies):
On July 16 2013 00:50 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 23:52 hzflank wrote:
Just caught up. Initial thoughts:
Chrom and Super are not both scum. That's the only really solid association that I see. Chrom started to heavily defend Super 8 hours before the lynch, and that would never of happened if they were both scum. So to the people who are already making that association I suggest that you think along other lines.
I do not like that whole council thing. It made it too easy to sheep. It was too early in the game for players to have such solid town reads on each other. I almost feel like people tried to put a reverse-sheep on me where I was told I that I should not move my vote (I will vote as I think best, I do not need other people to give me reasons to vote).
First order of business is to be a play by play on the council thing. That whole council shpeil is based on too much NMM XLIII meta anyway. How the hell was that formed day 1... It like begging for Svengali play. Please google Svengali, outside of the context of mafia, if you don't get it. It's a French novel that I haven't read but that I know the gist of. Umasi where is the Chezzy post? Need it buried in a GOOD case
(Quick point on the above, neither Umasi and Rainbows were in NMM XLIII. Not sure what he's talking about here)
Jarring disparate read on two of the townies townies since Lady Galadritown went town shopping in Townton Abbey:
On July 15 2013 11:51 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude Lose shit meter 100%, in the total opposite fashion to other games. I have LOST IT! I neeeeeeeed to read. If I don't I would tunnel Chrom and Umasi into the dirt even if one flipped town. Gimme a sec!
Continuing with the reaction to the roleblock:
On July 16 2013 10:36 Alakaslam wrote:
Appears they ed: (the mafia) may (have a roleblocker). However you may have been jailed too.
Hmm.
I actually don't think jailer should claim if he did, actually I don't know if it was wise to claim this Chrom. I don't know though, how does it help town?
Now I want to reference the Night 1 flips. I assumed the SK killed Koshi (scum read) and mafia killed Rainbows (town read to me). I posted with this assumption, and hz jumped down my throat for it. Now remember, Chrom was one of Alakaslam's hardest Scum reads. Why would Alakaslam assume the mafia roleblocked him if he were scum? Wouldn't he assume the Town roleblocked him?
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The above is my case for Alakaslam being scum.
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On July 18 2013 04:55 Gotard wrote:
What's the point of lynching Superfluous right now? Since he's gone there's no discussion around him. his case was closed after first day. He can only hope that people will think that day one was town-town lynch which is the case.
Whoa, what? You think Superfluous is town?
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EBWOP: Oh, my heart stopped. I thought that was Onegu saying that. Just gotard, no worries.
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On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt
Do I look intuitive to you?
This actually makes stronger a previous point of mine regarding myself.
However I now believe I can help town by this, which is so hard by phone I actually got to a PC. (I need to get P.O. Numbers for my fuel purchases anyway).
+ Show Spoiler +Oh this is so much easier not needing to type bbcode And find Images! :D ![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Flickr_jennerosity_3399911471--Nachos.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.themlbnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/new_york_mets_logo-95091.gif) Wooohoooo ![[image loading]](http://www.lolsx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/15112012125305-the-original-portal.jpg) My theme song
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On July 18 2013 05:09 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt Do I look intuitive to you? This actually makes stronger a previous point of mine regarding myself. However I now believe I can help town by this, which is so hard by phone I actually got to a PC. (I need to get P.O. Numbers for my fuel purchases anyway). + Show Spoiler +
Are you soft-claiming a PR?
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On July 18 2013 05:09 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Oh, my heart stopped. I thought that was Onegu saying that. Just gotard, no worries.
Gotard has been scum on Super, that's still a problem.
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alaka, respond to his case, dont just try to pass it off as: "SEE THESE FUCKUPS I MADE PROOVE HIM MORE SCUM"
actually tell us why the inconsistencies and defend youself.
dont tunnel him so hard that you ignore cases against yourself.
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On July 18 2013 05:11 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 05:09 Alakaslam wrote:On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt Do I look intuitive to you? This actually makes stronger a previous point of mine regarding myself. However I now believe I can help town by this, which is so hard by phone I actually got to a PC. (I need to get P.O. Numbers for my fuel purchases anyway). + Show Spoiler + Are you soft-claiming a PR?
Any colour you like
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On July 18 2013 05:11 Xzavier wrote:
alaka, respond to his case, dont just try to pass it off as: "SEE THESE FUCKUPS I MADE PROOVE HIM MORE SCUM"
actually tell us why the inconsistencies and defend youself.
dont tunnel him so hard that you ignore cases against yourself.
Problem is part of what he wants me to do is explain why I am suspicious of him.
I'm not gonna defend myself, svengali has you all mesmerized. If I flip this will help more than defending myself against him, if he's town defending against him is scum's job.
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On July 18 2013 05:11 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 05:09 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
EBWOP: Oh, my heart stopped. I thought that was Onegu saying that. Just gotard, no worries. Gotard has been scum on Super, that's still a problem.
Sort of. He was an entrenched vote on Kirby when Super was a candidate Day 1. He thinks super is scum in words only, not with his vote.
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