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@Alakaslam
What do you think of Superfluous?
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On July 18 2013 03:58 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:54 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2013 08:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:54 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Correct. I would not have posted this particular post as scum. On July 13 2013 08:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 13 2013 08:43 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:41 Umasi wrote:On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote:On July 13 2013 08:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
The following was written on the contingency I got Town in my role PM. I generally don't like early Day 1 town conversations because it's 100% fluff and teasing and clouds the filters. Necessary evil? Perhaps. But let's try to kick this game into overdrive early, shall we?
Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? On July 13 2013 08:20 Rainbows wrote:On July 13 2013 08:07 StiMaDDict wrote:
I can only look at jrkirby's post as a pressure vote at this point. He didn't seem to be the type to joke around from the pre game though.
This post is scummy. Gives a reason for jkirbys post and then casts doubt on it. U scum? I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation as to why you honestly think this is scummy. I certainly wouldn't post that if I were scum, it is nothing but a good thing for town. Why WOULD he want to post that as scum? to look town. Scum love to spew general pro town thingsvto get ez town cred.. This is correct. In general, these sorts of posts should result in a null read in a veteran game. But Early Day 1, when it's generally assumed nothing interesting is happening, seemed like a good time to get PSA's out of the way for a newbie crowd. The info is valuable, but it should not get me town cred. It's more important to me that there's a town consensus on the actual content of the post, not my alignment. (Plenty of time for that later.) You obviously think that your post was pro town, right? That's why you shouldn't have posted it as scum. But then you say that you shouldn't get town cred from it, indicating that you don't think it's pro town. ? Pro town in a newbie game, yes. Probably wouldn't have posted it in a Veteran game unless I really felt the Day 1 conversation stagnating early. I think all my posts are pro-town. Otherwise, why would I post them? (That should apply to everyone but those with a severe inferiority complex.) see this, and last game you saw that immediately, this game I am not part of the scum team so... Onegu style takes advantage of the fact What does this mean? 1.) What did I see immediately? My inferiority complex 2.) What is 'Onegu style'. Prey on town mistakes for towncred and mislynch power 3.) What is it that 'Onegu style' takes advantage of? Unsure and unskilled players (my inferiority complex/beliefs) IOW let me try and find stuff looking thru filter right now as this is actually a scummy move by me
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On July 18 2013 04:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@Alakaslam
What do you think of Superfluous?
Town ish but why is he gone.
Let me look you up or I will wind up not answering you
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On July 18 2013 04:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Right now, I'm hoping Super is just Real-Life inactive and not intentionally lurking. We could use a counter-triple-kill (lynch scum, modkill scum, SK shoots scum). A boy can dream...
its like he just did his job of getting suspicion off him and removing himself from the lynch candidates then goes inactive, like it doesn't matter who gets lynched as long as it isnt him. Thats pretty scummy,
suppose he pops in the last few hours, which honestly to me is at any point between now and the lynch, the closer to the lynch the worse.
IMO this looks like a good way to wait until a bandwagon has formed on not him, then show up when its too late to form another candidate. and thats scummy as hell to me. and as far from pro-town you can get short of posting 100% spam.
hes already posted so all he has to do is throw a last minute vote on the bandwagon, and then he is magically forgotten about again.
and watch, now that he is being talked about he is in a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" because hes lurked for too long, and so he would appear once hes starting to be talked about again/deadline. Whatever he does at this point looks scummy, which is frustrating because unless he gets a rock solid case on somebody he is my top scumread.
He is my lynch candidate.
However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it.
i think lynching super helps us more, do you want super at LYLO? atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare.
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On July 18 2013 04:18 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Right now, I'm hoping Super is just Real-Life inactive and not intentionally lurking. We could use a counter-triple-kill (lynch scum, modkill scum, SK shoots scum). A boy can dream... its like he just did his job of getting suspicion off him and removing himself from the lynch candidates then goes inactive, like it doesn't matter who gets lynched as long as it isnt him. Thats pretty scummy, suppose he pops in the last few hours, which honestly to me is at any point between now and the lynch, the closer to the lynch the worse. IMO this looks like a good way to wait until a bandwagon has formed on not him, then show up when its too late to form another candidate. and thats scummy as hell to me. and as far from pro-town you can get short of posting 100% spam. hes already posted so all he has to do is throw a last minute vote on the bandwagon, and then he is magically forgotten about again. and watch, now that he is being talked about he is in a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" because hes lurked for too long, and so he would appear once hes starting to be talked about again/deadline. Whatever he does at this point looks scummy, which is frustrating because unless he gets a rock solid case on somebody he is my top scumread. He is my lynch candidate. However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it.
i think lynching super helps us more, do you want super at LYLO? atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare.
The bolded is exactly what I thought at one point. But there is an explanation: What if his scumbuddies are lurking. If Super is scum and legit afk, he obviously won't defend Gotard. Then it just takes one independently-acting scummer to see the writing on the wall and Bus gotard, or otherwise just blend in.
I love a Super lynch tonight if he posts or votes, but I don't like a Super lynch if he's going to get /replaced (kicked for inactivity).
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On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon.
& like I said this makes no sense.
These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali!
Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now?
And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game.
This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though
This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow
So take with salt
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On July 18 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:18 Xzavier wrote:On July 18 2013 04:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Right now, I'm hoping Super is just Real-Life inactive and not intentionally lurking. We could use a counter-triple-kill (lynch scum, modkill scum, SK shoots scum). A boy can dream... its like he just did his job of getting suspicion off him and removing himself from the lynch candidates then goes inactive, like it doesn't matter who gets lynched as long as it isnt him. Thats pretty scummy, suppose he pops in the last few hours, which honestly to me is at any point between now and the lynch, the closer to the lynch the worse. IMO this looks like a good way to wait until a bandwagon has formed on not him, then show up when its too late to form another candidate. and thats scummy as hell to me. and as far from pro-town you can get short of posting 100% spam. hes already posted so all he has to do is throw a last minute vote on the bandwagon, and then he is magically forgotten about again. and watch, now that he is being talked about he is in a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" because hes lurked for too long, and so he would appear once hes starting to be talked about again/deadline. Whatever he does at this point looks scummy, which is frustrating because unless he gets a rock solid case on somebody he is my top scumread. He is my lynch candidate. However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it.
i think lynching super helps us more, do you want super at LYLO? atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare. The bolded is exactly what I thought at one point. But there is an explanation: What if his scumbuddies are lurking. If Super is scum and legit afk, he obviously won't defend Gotard. Then it just takes one independently-acting scummer to see the writing on the wall and Bus gotard, or otherwise just blend in. I love a Super lynch tonight if he posts or votes, but I don't like a Super lynch if he's going to get /replaced (kicked for inactivity).
hes already posted, and he can wait to vote until he deems it too late to be lynched tonight yet not too late to instantly get lynched the next day, queue the damned if you do damned if you dont.
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On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt
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Super and Gotard are both obvscum, I really don't see how anyone can say otherwise.
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On July 18 2013 04:24 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 18 2013 04:18 Xzavier wrote:On July 18 2013 04:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Right now, I'm hoping Super is just Real-Life inactive and not intentionally lurking. We could use a counter-triple-kill (lynch scum, modkill scum, SK shoots scum). A boy can dream... its like he just did his job of getting suspicion off him and removing himself from the lynch candidates then goes inactive, like it doesn't matter who gets lynched as long as it isnt him. Thats pretty scummy, suppose he pops in the last few hours, which honestly to me is at any point between now and the lynch, the closer to the lynch the worse. IMO this looks like a good way to wait until a bandwagon has formed on not him, then show up when its too late to form another candidate. and thats scummy as hell to me. and as far from pro-town you can get short of posting 100% spam. hes already posted so all he has to do is throw a last minute vote on the bandwagon, and then he is magically forgotten about again. and watch, now that he is being talked about he is in a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" because hes lurked for too long, and so he would appear once hes starting to be talked about again/deadline. Whatever he does at this point looks scummy, which is frustrating because unless he gets a rock solid case on somebody he is my top scumread. He is my lynch candidate. However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it.
i think lynching super helps us more, do you want super at LYLO? atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare. The bolded is exactly what I thought at one point. But there is an explanation: What if his scumbuddies are lurking. If Super is scum and legit afk, he obviously won't defend Gotard. Then it just takes one independently-acting scummer to see the writing on the wall and Bus gotard, or otherwise just blend in. I love a Super lynch tonight if he posts or votes, but I don't like a Super lynch if he's going to get /replaced (kicked for inactivity). hes already posted, and he can wait to vote until he deems it too late to be lynched tonight yet not too late to instantly get lynched the next day, queue the damned if you do damned if you dont.
This is messed up. If he's following his wincon to the max, his only play now is to get himself /replaced. That is some seriously screwed up shit.
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On July 18 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:18 Xzavier wrote:On July 18 2013 04:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Right now, I'm hoping Super is just Real-Life inactive and not intentionally lurking. We could use a counter-triple-kill (lynch scum, modkill scum, SK shoots scum). A boy can dream... its like he just did his job of getting suspicion off him and removing himself from the lynch candidates then goes inactive, like it doesn't matter who gets lynched as long as it isnt him. Thats pretty scummy, suppose he pops in the last few hours, which honestly to me is at any point between now and the lynch, the closer to the lynch the worse. IMO this looks like a good way to wait until a bandwagon has formed on not him, then show up when its too late to form another candidate. and thats scummy as hell to me. and as far from pro-town you can get short of posting 100% spam. hes already posted so all he has to do is throw a last minute vote on the bandwagon, and then he is magically forgotten about again. and watch, now that he is being talked about he is in a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" because hes lurked for too long, and so he would appear once hes starting to be talked about again/deadline. Whatever he does at this point looks scummy, which is frustrating because unless he gets a rock solid case on somebody he is my top scumread. He is my lynch candidate. However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it.
i think lynching super helps us more, do you want super at LYLO? atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare. The bolded is exactly what I thought at one point. But there is an explanation: What if his scumbuddies are lurking. If Super is scum and legit afk, he obviously won't defend Gotard. Then it just takes one independently-acting scummer to see the writing on the wall and Bus gotard, or otherwise just blend in. I love a Super lynch tonight if he posts or votes, but I don't like a Super lynch if he's going to get /replaced (kicked for inactivity).
i dislike gambling on a modkill to kill my scummiest read. I dislike that alot. Your basically saying "IF YOUR SCUM DONT VOTE AND GET MODKILLED, THIS WAY WE START FRESH WITH YOU"
On July 18 2013 04:26 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:24 Xzavier wrote:On July 18 2013 04:21 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 18 2013 04:18 Xzavier wrote:On July 18 2013 04:02 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Right now, I'm hoping Super is just Real-Life inactive and not intentionally lurking. We could use a counter-triple-kill (lynch scum, modkill scum, SK shoots scum). A boy can dream... its like he just did his job of getting suspicion off him and removing himself from the lynch candidates then goes inactive, like it doesn't matter who gets lynched as long as it isnt him. Thats pretty scummy, suppose he pops in the last few hours, which honestly to me is at any point between now and the lynch, the closer to the lynch the worse. IMO this looks like a good way to wait until a bandwagon has formed on not him, then show up when its too late to form another candidate. and thats scummy as hell to me. and as far from pro-town you can get short of posting 100% spam. hes already posted so all he has to do is throw a last minute vote on the bandwagon, and then he is magically forgotten about again. and watch, now that he is being talked about he is in a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" because hes lurked for too long, and so he would appear once hes starting to be talked about again/deadline. Whatever he does at this point looks scummy, which is frustrating because unless he gets a rock solid case on somebody he is my top scumread. He is my lynch candidate. However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it.
i think lynching super helps us more, do you want super at LYLO? atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare. The bolded is exactly what I thought at one point. But there is an explanation: What if his scumbuddies are lurking. If Super is scum and legit afk, he obviously won't defend Gotard. Then it just takes one independently-acting scummer to see the writing on the wall and Bus gotard, or otherwise just blend in. I love a Super lynch tonight if he posts or votes, but I don't like a Super lynch if he's going to get /replaced (kicked for inactivity). hes already posted, and he can wait to vote until he deems it too late to be lynched tonight yet not too late to instantly get lynched the next day, queue the damned if you do damned if you dont. This is messed up. If he's following his wincon to the max, his only play now is to get himself /replaced. That is some seriously screwed up shit.
exactly
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and its not even a modkill, he gets replaced, which would be more difficult for town and more beneficial for scum...
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On July 18 2013 03:38 Xzavier wrote:
im taking a quick shower than posting, but first i want to say this" Lurkers gonna lurk"
super is still lurking hardcore, and has no reason not to considering nobody is voting for him or continueing to pressure him.
i feel strange that he would be content to just sit and let the lynch happen without weighing in on it.
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Maybe an SK can put an end to this headache...
(Yes, I still think you are the SK.)
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VOTE COUNT:
Superfluous (1): Umasi, Xzavier
Hurricane Sponge (0): hzflank, Alakaslam, Onegu
Gotard (7): Chromatically, Hurricane Sponge, Umasi, hzflank, Alakaslam, Nightcat99, Onegu
Not voting (2): Gotard, Superfluous
Deadline is in ~4,5 hours. With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.
Currently Gotard is set to be lynched!
Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here.
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Hurricane you scum on Alakaslam?
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So, I think this might be relevant. Alakaslam says Super is a town read to him:
On July 18 2013 04:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@Alakaslam
What do you think of Superfluous? Town ish but why is he gone. Let me look you up or I will wind up not answering you
Townish! Well, that's certainly surprising. Ah well, but Alakaslam is full of surprises. It probably is just an isolated incident. A bad read based off some misunderstanding...
On July 14 2013 13:54 cloud-9 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary:
To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting
This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. I agree that these objectives can belong to either alighnment and it is my intuition at this present moment that super is being earnest in his attempts to find scum.
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Oh my...
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On July 18 2013 04:32 Onegu wrote:
Hurricane you scum on Alakaslam?
Yes. Hard scum. Firm scum. Solid scum. Anyway you want it that's the way you scum it.
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To spell it out (I'd do this during nighttime usually, but the NK was so wacky I'm going to stop WIFOMing the night actions):
Mafia:
Alakaslam
Gotard
Super
SK:
Xzavier
In that order of confidence.
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We have seen 3 green flips. Picking out 3 scum + 1 SK is not really useful at this point. We need to see a red flip before that becomes important.
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