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Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 16 2013 20:43 GMT
#1621
He really needs to post, though. Where you at, Gotard?

##vote: Gotard
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 16 2013 20:44 GMT
#1622
META
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 16 2013 20:45 GMT
#1623
Meta is what's protecting him from me. I'm consciously ignoring it, and putting my vote on him.
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 20:47 GMT
#1624
On July 17 2013 05:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Full disclosure, if I had zero meta on Gotard, this lynch would be a no-brainer. But he let this happen to him in NMMXLII as a useless townie, too. That doesn't exonerate him, but it does tell us that sometimes bad play is just bad play.


Do you want him at a LYLO though? Regardless of his alignment I doubt that he will be night-killed (assume that we have no Vig for now). How much time can we give him to become active? He has had time.

Look at the players who are left in the game. Just by numbers there has to be a 50% chance of Gotard flipping scum. Combine that with the fact that he is too dangerous at the LYLO unless we can somehow get a good town read on him and have some idea of how he will vote.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 16 2013 20:49 GMT
#1625
Yeah, I'm just sort of in a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't position here. I want Gotard and Super to post more, so we can get reads. The only way we can do this apparently is to pressure them. But we can only pressure one of them at a time, and the other one will continue being inactive (because "hey, why would I post if they're on the other guy"). Ideally, I want to get both of them posting today, and piling on Gotard means Super may not post.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 16 2013 20:50 GMT
#1626
Yeah, Gotard and Super both pretty much have to be scum, they're the only people who have nothing townie in their filter at all.
Umasi
Profile Joined October 2012
United States1399 Posts
July 16 2013 20:52 GMT
#1627
##UNVOTE
##VOTE GOTARD
lynch them
lynch them alllllll

On July 17 2013 05:47 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Full disclosure, if I had zero meta on Gotard, this lynch would be a no-brainer. But he let this happen to him in NMMXLII as a useless townie, too. That doesn't exonerate him, but it does tell us that sometimes bad play is just bad play.


Do you want him at a LYLO though? Regardless of his alignment I doubt that he will be night-killed (assume that we have no Vig for now). How much time can we give him to become active? He has had time.

Look at the players who are left in the game. Just by numbers there has to be a 50% chance of Gotard flipping scum. Combine that with the fact that he is too dangerous at the LYLO unless we can somehow get a good town read on him and have some idea of how he will vote.


basically that.
"Sir, we finally have enough corpses to serve as a ramp for your horse." "THEN LET THE REAPING BEGIN!!"
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 16 2013 20:53 GMT
#1628
Has anyone supported Gotard as town at all in the thread? You'd think scumbuddies would have said something if he actually were mafia.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 16 2013 20:56 GMT
#1629
Going through filters. If Gotard flips red, Super looks worse to me.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 16 2013 20:57 GMT
#1630
Super might be a better lynch purely because it tells us a lot about the voting yesterday.

Gotard wasn't really in danger of being lynched yesterday, there wasn't really any need for his scumbuddies to speak up.
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
July 16 2013 20:59 GMT
#1631
VOTE COUNT:

Superfluous (1): Umasi, Xzavier
Hurricane Sponge (1): hzflank
Gotard (3): Chromatically, Hurricane Sponge, Umasi

Not voting (5): Onegu, Nightcat99, Gotard, Superfluous, Alakaslam

Currently no-one is set to be lynched.

Deadline is in ~27 hours. With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch!


Voting is mandatory. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here.

♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 16 2013 21:00 GMT
#1632
This is the only dissenting material I could find between them:
On July 14 2013 19:12 Gotard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 08:36 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Do you think Superfluous is Town?


I would say him being scum is more likely even now than it was before because he can't really defend himself. Yes, he had some pro town post giving his reads in semi-aggressive way but then he writes something like that:

Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 05:14 Superfluous wrote:
Admittedly I am giving reads more to get off my back than to help us.


My problem is that after seeing stuff like that i usually tend to think: "Isn't it to easy to be true" and I would put mistakes like that into inexperience basket but he admitted himself that he played mafia on some other forums...

His way of getting out of trouble doesn't seem pro town whatsoever so i have to say hi's scum if he won't change anything in his posting.

Overall I still think jrkirby is a little bit more scummy.


The only occurrence of Gotard in Super's filter is him mentioning Time Zones:

On July 13 2013 23:56 Superfluous wrote:
To be fair to Umasi, he has stopped tunneling on me in terms of asking me stuff since I gave my 3rd or 4th post explaining my reads/ logic. I'd still like to here some more from Hzflank, cloud 9, night cat and other lurkers I've forgotten. Koshi and Gotard have euro time zones so it makes sense that they weren't active early on, and right now they are trying to contribute something so they're town reads for me.

hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 21:02 GMT
#1633
On July 17 2013 05:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Has anyone supported Gotard as town at all in the thread? You'd think scumbuddies would have said something if he actually were mafia.


The only person who I can recall ever defending Gotard was Umasi. There might be more that I missed, will see them at some point now that I am aware to look for them.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 16 2013 21:02 GMT
#1634
PREFLIP ASSOCIATIONS
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 16 2013 21:03 GMT
#1635
On July 15 2013 08:58 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, Gotard is an excellent lynch target tomorrow. I think chrom should only be lynched after a scum is found, but maybe checked by cop.

I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super.

Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch.

Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check.

That's the best I got, GG guys.


Remember the dead
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
July 16 2013 21:04 GMT
#1636
On July 17 2013 06:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 08:58 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, Gotard is an excellent lynch target tomorrow. I think chrom should only be lynched after a scum is found, but maybe checked by cop.

I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super.

Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch.

Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check.

That's the best I got, GG guys.


Remember the dead

What about it?
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
July 16 2013 21:06 GMT
#1637
Kirby was sincere. That does not mean that he was correct.

On July 17 2013 06:04 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 06:03 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
On July 15 2013 08:58 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, Gotard is an excellent lynch target tomorrow. I think chrom should only be lynched after a scum is found, but maybe checked by cop.

I have less of a feeling about koshi, umasi, super.

Xzavier is decent, but not the best lynch.

Chrom and super should be lynched together should one of them be scum by flip or cop check.

That's the best I got, GG guys.


Remember the dead

What about it?


lol, if Super flips red then lynch Chrom!
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 16 2013 21:16 GMT
#1638
On July 15 2013 09:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 09:14 Umasi wrote:
And also, how good of a target is Super to you, Chrom?

Chrom is becoming the target and not Super.
I hope I have time to make a good case in the next 24hours. Because the defense of Chrom was UNHOLY.
Even if Super flips town, the reasoning of Chrom was getting out of control.

At this point I feel
If super is scum than 100% Chrom is scum.
If super is town, 50% Chrom is scum.
Reasoning --> That defense, he must have known Super was town, because that defense made 0 sense.

I am not talking about kirby here. I am talking 100% Chrom putting his neck out for a guy that was not better than kirby.


Wow. The dead hate Chrom.

Kidding aside, the Koshi filter dive was a bit disappointing. A lot of ranting, some martyring, a bunch of tunneling but not a ton of actual scumhunting.
Hurricane Sponge
Profile Joined March 2010
868 Posts
July 16 2013 21:18 GMT
#1639
On July 16 2013 05:23 Rainbows wrote:
We're lynching Gotard tomorrow btw guise.

Chrom, your case on me is bad. It boils down to me lynching the guy you wanted, and not really caring. Nobody wanted to lynch Gotard so I lynched the other dude. I can't really oppose the lynch when all I can do is watch and write little snippets from my phone at work.


And the dead hate Gotard. Rainbows was a tough read for me, but I liked playing with him. I'm sad he's gone.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
July 16 2013 21:58 GMT
#1640
Super still hasnt done anything to convince me he is town. nightcat is trying but not bringing up anything tangible against anybody, but hes looking more noob town to me, as not understanding the rules.

That said it worries me because it could be easy to be oblivioys and make yourself seem worse than you are the moment simebody brings it up. i dont want to clear hin just on that.

Super is acting like a deer in headlights, which is annoying.

Im not seeing enough scumhunting out of either of them.

Gotard doesnt look good right now. considering how hard it is to get reads out him.
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